Turkey should not be in NATO. Turkey should not be considered an ally of the United States.
“Erdogan warns ‘millions’ of refugees will soon head toward Europe,” Ekathimerini, March 2, 2020:
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Turkey had no intention of stopping migrant flows to the European Union warning that “millions” of people would soon head toward Europe.
“After we opened the doors, there were multiple calls saying ‘close the doors’,” Erdogan said in Ankara Monday according to reports.
“I told them ‘it’s done. It’s finished. The doors are now open. Now, you will have to take your share of the burden’,” he said.
“Since we have opened the borders, the number of refugees heading toward Europe has reached hundreds of thousands. This number will soon be in the millions,” he said….
Abraham says
Remove Turkey from NATO before it’s too late. I consider them an enemy of the US and other NATO ALLIES. They have aligned themselves with Russia and we need nothing they have. Sanctions, Sanctions, Sanctions. Ergodan is an unstable war monger along with his other mostly Muslim countries. Turkey is becoming a country of a dictator and I seriously doubt he will step down even if elections were held.
World@70 says
I saw yesterday that Erdogan had released over 400 criminals from prison, transported them to the EU border, released them and forced them to cross into the EU.
I also read that an EU official stated that this was an attack by Turkey on the EU. NATO is obligated to come to the defense of any member country if they were attacked, but sense Turkey is a member of NATO, what will happen?
Kicking Turkey out of NATO seems to be the logical thing to d
gravenimage says
“Angered at EU, Turkey threatens to release IS prisoners”
https://apnews.com/214e7c236e414e59aae5db0025899533
UVG says
You may or may not know Turkey and Pakistan are in a bilateral discussion which allow both countries to give dual nationality to all citizens.
I wonder what demographic impact this might have on Europe.
Am just speculating here but, if Turkey is kicked out of NATO this would be in effect the second potential non NATO nuclear partnership it could enter into.
My prediction is that Turkey will not be kicked out of NATO, because NATO cannot afford for it to be a free agent.
Spiro says
It’s to late
We need to get our bases out of Turkey now but do we have the courage to do the right thing
Not unless there’s a change in our current politic
Rob Porter says
Abraham, of course Erdogan and Turkey are an enemy of the West and NATO, yet these gutless wonders in the West, and this includes NATO, tolerate his lunatic Muslim enemy. When will Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo finally say, “We’ve had enough of your moronic stupidity and irrationality.” As to Europe, all it has to do is send it’s armies to the border and shoot a lot of Muslims as they cross it.
Boromir's Horn says
How many $billions$ was he paid and now he’s trying to renegotiate? Sounds like a quid pro quo to me. His hand is weak right now because of Russia. I say make him suffer by any means necessary.
Tom says
The weaponization of migration is what will kill the globalists agenda and their left wing control over Europe. More and more right of centre governments are being elected around Europe which will result in the demise of the EU and the closing of borders to migration. Even the UN Compact on Immigration will become just another useless strategy of the globalists as people across the west wake up to the threat that millions of migrants from a culture, alien to their own, poses. A new day is beginning to dawn where western democratic nations get back control of their country and their culture.
roberta says
I sure hope you are correct, and that it is not too late.
After all, the enemy is inside and outside the gates of Europe.
James Lincoln says
Tom says,
“A new day is beginning to dawn where western democratic nations get back control of their country and their culture.”
I hope you’re right, but the muslim demographics of many Western European countries are not encouraging.
Look at the projections from the Pew Research Center under different migration scenarios:
https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/
Walter Sieruk says
When Erdogan declared “The number of refugees heading toward Europe will soon be in the millions”
If his statement proves true , especially his words “the millions” is mean in the literal sense, this might then result a combination jihad bombing and jihadist shooting of many murderous Muslim terrorist attacks . Which of course will include many jihad suicide /homicide attacks .
All those poor Europeans ,are they in for It. They need to desperately stop this Muslim invasion which will only lead to disaster.
Therefore , even now ,it most be remembered and never forgotten that of the different nations of Europe as a whole 91% of the victims of Islamic violence ,as in many cases deadly Islamic violence .The jihadists use firearms as well as using bombs .Even using themselves as human bombs time bombs ,just waiting to go off in the many cities of Europe . It only takes a few out of many to inflect much murderous harm. Those jihadists engaging in Islamic suicide/homicide bombings attacks is for a large part, the outcome the extreme brainwashing that is performed in Islamic mind programming centers which are mosques and madrasas. In those jihad mind control places students are thoroughly indoctrinated into the jihadist mindset of committing murderous bombing attacks in the jihad for the advancement of Islam.
As Islam’s “holy book,” the Quran instructs in 9:111. , for example, “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain they kill and are killed.” Therefore, those who come out of those Quran based mind programming centers .mosque and madrasas, are so terribly harmed and damaged that they are literally, as it has be rightfully called, “dangerous to self and others.” This results in jihad suicide /homicide attack in which those jihadists who commit such murderous actions are so very deluded that they think of that jihad mass murders as “martyrdom operations.” This is Islamic delusion of the most heinous and malicious kind.
This may be, somewhat, explained by the narrative from the fable of Aesop which is entitled THE SCORPION AND THE FROG So “Once upon a time there was a scorpion who really wanted to get to the other side of the river, but he could not swim. Therefore, the scorpion begged a frog to carry him on his back across the river. The kind but foolish frog agreed and then half-way across the river the scorpion stung the frog. In shock and horror the dying frog asks the scorpion “Why did you sting me since this means that we both are going to die” The scorpion replied “The reason that I stung you even though we both will now die is because that just what a scorpion, by nature, does.”
In conclusion, just as that scorpion in the fable had proven himself by the dangerous and deadly, to self and others, because of his nature. The violent and murderous jihadists of Islam are as that scorpion, dangerous so self and other because they is their nature because they have been thought programmed in the ways of the violent and murdering jihad of Islam. As always stated above ,this is the sad and tragic reality of Islamic terrorism in Europe as well as in the Western nations of the world.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
There is another ending to the tale of the Frog and the Scorpion. The Scorpion stings the Frog, who as he is dying asks “But why did you do this? Now I’m going to sink beneath the waves and we’ll both drown.. The Scorpion replies: “This is the Middle East!”
Herb Allen says
“All those poor Europeans, are they in for It. They need to desperately stop this Muslim invasion which will only lead to disaster.”
It’s already a disaster, and stop it with what!? Outside Switzerland, most Europeans are utterly disarmed and forbidden to own personal firearms. Nor do they have the right of self defense; strike a Muslim, get charged with a hate crime. Ask the Swedes or the Brits.
In America we have both the right to bear arms and the right of self defense. Muslim outrages against women are rare here because Achmed & Omar know they could be shot dead for what they routinely get away with in Europistan.
Glad to be on this side of the pond. Europeans, enjoy your Muslims!
Templer says
This is war but this prick is useing people they are not refuges they are invader so turkey as declared war on Europe and the us turkey should be kicked out off nation and nation would then deat them into the dust and let the people elected leader this prick needs removing not tomrow know
Queen B says
Erdogan has declared an act of war and it should be treated as such by Europe.
owensgate says
The problem is, that Islam is the “preferred religion” of the Globalists. The Catholics are joining in the merger (well, the Catholics haven’t been “Christian” since, oh, IDK, A.D. 34 or so?), seeing how the current Pontiff is a Global Socialist. As for Turkey itself, I worked there for several years (Ankara and Diyarbakir), and as a Christian I always felt uncomfortable near crowds of more than three. Incidentally, the Bible having mentioned that 200 Million Demons are chained up in the area, it was interesting that fields and land near Diyarbakir are littered with football sized rocks, “in the millions” I’d guess. I’ve always wondered if there was a Demon “chained up” in each rock.
Hindu American says
Here’s a possible solution. Forcibly create a buffer holding state in what is known as the European Turkey. Known as Eastern Thrace or simply Thrace, European Turkey is part of Southeastern Europe. This is an area of 23,764 sq km (3 percent of the country). Two advantages to doing this:
1. Refugees can be temporarily housed and fed by UN in Thrace and then repatriated to Syria or where ever they are from once things calm down in Syria. Other non-Syrians will be deported to their native lands. This way, no “refugees” will technically enter EU.
2. Turkey will no longer be part of European mainland. No more “Heads I win, Tails you lose” for Erdogan or any future caliph-wannabe.
Thoughts?
James Lincoln says
Hindu American,
Sounds like a variation on “safe zones”.
I like it…
gravenimage says
Who is going to force Turkey to do this?
With all respect, better, I think, for Greece and Bulgaria to just build fortified walls to keep the Muslim barbarians out. Isolate them.
Hindu American says
That “fortified wall” will not just be limited to the land borders with Bulgaria and Greece. There’s a “fortified sea wall” that will need to built by Romania, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine and Armenia along their shores. All these countries “border” Turkey along the Black Sea. Turkey can push these millions of jehadis to take to boats and beach themselves in these nations. Turkey could further threaten to blockade the Black Sea at Constantinople. So, back to square one!
In lieu of these “walls” it would be relatively easier (but certainly not easy) to wrest Thrace away from Turkey in exchange for peace. Maybe land transfer or exchange or long term economic benefits?
The nations surrounding the Black Sea plus Greece and Bulgaria could begin the dialog. The downside for Turkey would be a potential economic and political boycott.
Just my thoughts.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Never in the E.U., and soon out of NATO. Letting loose into Europe hundreds of thousands of Muslims is an unfriendly act. It constitutes aggression. It is NATO that should be guarding the borders of both Greece and Bulgaria with Turkey, to prevent any of these Muslims managing to get in. And may his latest military adventure in Idlib lead to a sound defeat at the hands of the Syrians and their Russian ally. And that defeat means humiiation for the Turkish military that, nursing its wounds, may want to take its revenge on Erdogan for having gotten them into such an unwindable mess in the first place. The opposition in Turkey took power in the three most populous and important Turkish cities — Istanbul, Ankara, and Izmir. If the Turkish military wants to stage a coup against President Erdogan, many in Turkey will be delighted. And not only in Turkey.
gravenimage says
+1
DHazard says
And all of them are escaping Islam, but they tell themselves a different story.
Crusades Were Right says
“We’re escaping from the persecution of Muslims, who are against us because we are Muslims; so we’re off to the land of the infidels where we will soon complain of the persecution we face for being Muslims. ALLAHU AKBAR!”
lol
Graham says
We’ve already got too many Turkish Barbershops!
gravenimage says
*Very few* of these Muslims are bent on escaping Islam. Most of them are intent on spreading it.
Boromir's Horn says
Well said gi
gravenimage says
Thank you, Boromir’s Horn.
Wellington says
Absolutely, gravenimage.
As for Erdogan, he should by now be viewed as an enemy of the West. Turkey still in NATO is a cruel joke.
gravenimage says
Yes–Turkey should have been kicked out of NATO years ago.
Crusades Were Right says
An “imagining”:
Western leaders send an ultimatum to Erdogan: “Withdraw Turkey’s presence – military AND civilian – 100km east of the Aegean; or face military action.”
A man can dream, can’t he? lol
Dr Guy Leven-Torres says
We are at war then. Erdogan is sending an invasion force of 3,000,000 intruders in the guise of “migrants”. He is also using his forces in Libya to control access of migrants- another millions or so waiting to cross the Med. Italy appears to have been attacked by a Bioweapon Covid19. Switzerland has confined its troops to Barracks (Usual when expecting war) under the guise of Covid19. Iran has been aided by North Korea and China but is not too fastidious about handling such dangerous weapons. Iran has a major outbreak now.
This whole affair looks like an attempt by Erdogan -who has just declared Pakistan his ally with joint citizenship- to take Europe for Islam. I would suggest we are now in WW3.
Crusades Were Right says
Olden Days v Modern Times:
Then: Asiatic hordes descending upon Europe had bows and arrows and came on horseback.
Now: They have mobile phones and come with north European “cat lady” assistance.
lol (kinda)
ntesdorf says
Erdogan is attempting to re-establish the Ottomam Caliphate and taking economic, social and military action to do so. Turkey should be expelled from NATO and Turkey should not be spoken of as ally of the any Western Nation.
gravenimage says
Spot on, ntesdorf.
gravenimage says
Erdogan: “The number of refugees heading toward Europe will soon be in the millions”
………………
These are not “refugees”–this is an invading force.
Kenek says
What the low IQ pigman, Erdogan is too stupid to realize is that these millions will be residing in the terrorist nation called Turkey. The terrorist hordes are easily stopped with a fence and 50,000 volts. Let The turkish retards feed those “millions”. It continues to surprise, just how stupid moslem leaders are. How sad for them that Erdogan is actually one of the “smart” ones.
JDow says
It sounds like Europe is about to be faced with an existential problem, do we survive or do they survive. The middle ground choice does not exist. Either way there will be a genocide. So is it genocide if you are simply doing what you have to do in order to prevent your own extinction, genocide with you as the victim?
This is a really nasty decision to be forced to take. Procrastination has brought Europe to this impasse. We will be facing it soon enough.
{o.o}
W says
Europe is still shackled by the events of World War 2, and terrified of the thought of right wing governments taking a hold on power, it is a collective guilt that has pervaded post war politics, that what happened in Germany with the persecution of Jews, must never happen again to any religious group and every effort is made to vilify those that do not hold views of a liberal left nature.
The European Union will not take any decisive action to stop these invaders permeating and settling in Europe, until the indigenous population break the shackles that keep them voting in the liberal left we will see these so called refugees arriving in vast numbers and in the not too distant future it will dawn on the population of Europe that it is too late to do anything other than fight or submit.
Battle says
Hugh Fitzgerald is correct about NATO should help Greece and Bulgaria guard the border with Turkey.
gravenimage is correct about Greece and Bulgaria to build a border wall.
Battle says
Erdogan: “Our mosques are our forts.”
sidney penny says
“Turkey should not be in NATO. Turkey should not be considered an ally of the United States.”
Robert Spencer keeps hitting the nail on the head.
Marigold says
He says it as if he is delighted about it as well
Tim says
only one work is left in the world is to destroy Turkey. They are are the real terrorist producers of the world and their regime should be destroyed.
gravenimage says
Turkey is pretty bad–but they are not the only source of Jihad terror. Islam is much bigger than Erdogan.
Giacomo Latta says
Go ahead, Erdogan. Start bombing Russians in Syria. Just don’t do it in the name of NATO. Warning: Putin doesn’t like to be made to look feeble.
Yogi says
Germany already thinking to take them in !!!, sick , sick , sick country, they want destroy themselves, churches demanding to take this illegal parasites in , they never learn from 2015 what Merkel did , it’s just outrageous, they not even take a solidarity with other countries to push them back !!, disgusting!!, they want destroy everything, finished…
Josephus says
Fact: The new Islamic states created by Britain can easily accommodate 100 Million refugees, give them homes, welfare and security. Problem solved.