Once again, as always, the outreach goes only in one direction. Yet no matter how many times this outreach fails, useful idiots such as Cardinal Nichols eagerly keep doing the same things over and over again, hoping for a different result.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Cardinal Celebrates Ramadan at Home,” by Jules Gomes, ChurchMilitant.com, May 8, 2020:
WESTMINSTER, England (ChurchMilitant.com) – Britain’s leading prelate is being slammed for “appearing to deny Christ” after celebrating “Ramadan at Home” while telling Catholics it would cause “scandal” to reopen churches at present.
Cardinal Vincent Nichols, president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales (CBCEW), joined in the Iftar ritual breaking of the Ramadan fast at sunset on Wednesday, for the fourth year in a row.
Because of the Wuhan virus pandemic, Nichols, who hosted a Ramadan Iftar meal at Archbishop’s House in 2017, was forced to partake in the Islamic ritual meal at home while joining Muslim, Protestant and Jewish leaders in an online celebration.
“For a prelate of the Catholic Church to participate in the ritual of a religion that is so fundamentally anti-Christian and that deceives billions of souls about the divinity of Christ, runs the risk of appearing to deny Christ,” Catholic journalist and popular British author Nick Donnelly told Church Militant….
“The entire incident epitomizes the malady of the Western world,” Islamic scholar Robert Spencer told Church Militant. “The broadcasting of the Islamic call to prayer, World Hijab Day, and #RamadanAtHome all stem from the same impulse: The intelligentsia has adopted the idea that Muslims are a special class that warrants consideration above and beyond that given to other citizens. As that is the status of Muslims under Sharia (Islamic law), the implications are ominous.”
“What these Christian leaders who participated in #RamadanAtHome will ultimately find is that their Muslim partners in this multicultural endeavor have no intention of reciprocating their generosity and hospitality,” Spencer observed.
“Whether or not those Muslims participate in the endeavor, the Islamic imperative is to subjugate Christians under the hegemony of Islamic law. These Christians are already halfway there,” the author of bestseller The History of Jihad: From Muhammad to ISIS warned….
Wellington says
Useful idiot. What the hell has happened to the Catholic Church? It is functioning now in pure descent mode.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
100% true.
What’s interesting is the fact that the ordinary, everyday, bread-and-butter Catholic has better – and stronger – Christian values than the leaders of the flock…
Wellington says
Yes, James, I agree. The weakest link in Roman Catholicism in our time is its own hierarchy, which, by the year, becomes more and more abysmal. And, invoking an ichthyological metaphor here, the fish does indeed rot from the head—oh yeah, contemplate just how awful Francis has been compared to his two immediate predecessors who temporarily occupied the throne of Saint Peter’s (and Benedict, to his great credit, “got’ not only the iniquity of Marxism but the iniquity of Islam as well, which latter belief system I think John Paul was, based on the evidence, somewhat to largely clueless of).
None of this bodes well for truth, wisdom and, a la Plato, “The Good” (Kalos). Not only for the Catholic Church but for the West at large. Right now, the Catholic hierarchy (there are exceptions of course) is letting down fellow Catholics and—far, far worse—the cause of liberty and, by extension, the cause of all of humanity. In short, no one defending Islam should be paid any respect.
Makes one wonder how, anymore, any informed Catholic about Islam can still think Catholicism can be the true faith in light of its supine approach to Islam in our time. I mean what was God thinking in allowing a doofus like Bergoglio to ascend to the highest position in Roman Catholicism. Hmmm, see why (in part) I am a skeptic to the core?
Well, God may indeed work in very mysterious ways but I for one, assuming God exists, wish He could find it in Himself to act a bit less mysteriously. Kinda’ tired with “the mystery part.” Overdue, way so, to move on to less “mystery.”
Yes, I hold an all-powerful, all-wise, all-merciful God to account as well. It’s not only the natural skeptic in me but also the lawyer in me (ah, I think the two are “tied at the hip”). But I digress again as is my wont. Hope all is well with you and those you hold most dear.
Rufolino says
Wonder what Benedict must be thinking and feeling about developments in the Catholic Church under the present benighted occupant of the Throne.
Does he even regret his resignation ? You bet your life he does !
James Lincoln says
Rufolino,
It is possible that Pope Benedict XVI was actually forced to resign.
I have a link to what appears to be a solid reference, but I can’t independently verify its accuracy.
https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2017/10/20/was-pope-benedict-xvi-forced-to-resign/
gravenimage says
Grimly spot on, Wellington.
william carr says
I always hold that religion is mental condition and the higher one rises in the church the worse it gets.Plus you get elected to higher office
gravenimage says
Not all religious leaders are like this.
mortimer says
GI is correct. A number of cardinals have very bravely spoken out against Islamic supremacism and the jihadic attacks on Christians.
Cardinal Vincent Nichols is unaware that Ramadan is the Month of Jihad. He’s a naïve, virtue-signalling Pollyanna following orders from the Pollyanna-in-Chief.
gravenimage says
True, Mortimer.
Carol the 1st says
Amazing how many people seem to get paid to be negligent and imcompetent.
Jean Elizabeth Terry says
Beyond comprehension. I suspect he does not know Christ. It is said we will be surprised at the people who are not in heaven when we get there. And surprised at the ones who are.
Rufolino says
I’m not even going to make your assumption that I will get there, Jean.
If it’s a place that will have me, they’ll have anybody.
Goofy says
The Roman Catholic church has bought into the unsubstantiated claim that Islam is an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion. That is apparently the reason why the Roman Catholic church in its wisdom decided during the second Vatican council that Islam contains elements of truth! There is absolutely no foundation for such a claim as there is no proof that the prophet Muhammad was related to Ismael. Even if he was Ismael was son of Hagar, a servant of Abraham rather than a son which is important as we read in Jn 8:35.
Apart from that Allah is a completely different god than the God of Abraham who cannot lie whilst Allah is the greatest deceptor. And Allah is the only known god who has instituted a formula for “temporary marriage”/prostitution – Muta – which the eternal, unchangeable Koran deems to be Halal.
It may still be possible to wake up the Roman Catholic church by insisting that it will offer holy communion to communicants who have concluded a temporary marriage contract /a formal prostitution contract and that it will provide it’s good offices by authorising it’s clergy in the parish churches to be helpful in drawing up such contracts!
R Russell says
The descent into the End Times apostate church quickens its pace almost daily.
Jim says
It is truly shocking that those who present themselves as official leaders of the Christian church would honor an anti-christ religion that worships another “god” and persecutes Christians simply for being Christian.
My guess is that the gospel of Jesus Christ is never presented to these same Muslims – that is, that Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, died for their sins. I hope I am wrong about that.
Martin says
Ramadan at home
Sadiq Khan, Archbishop of Canterbury, Chief Rabbi, Cardinal Nichols, Bishop of London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1o69GeDRmI
Dude says
The new teaching seems to follow on from the original message. Of course, now God promotes murder, rape, robbery, and slavery. It may seem to make Him look like a scatterbrain, but some seem able to accept that. DUH
Carol the 1st says
These ‘religious’ dudes look like they live in bubbles and have forgotten about getting one’s knees scraped. Many victims of Islam have been made highly, highly aware and have lived to tell the tale. Listen up!
Carol the 1st says
Sadiq Khan appears to be overjoyed by this audience for Islam. It’s such good PR! His fevered brother-in-law MAKBOOL JAVAID did a lengthy interview in 2016 which allowed him to renounce his loudspeaker truck rant (looks like an ISIS flag beside him) at a 1997 Islamic rally in Trafalgar Square through the heart of London and also his association with Omar Bakri. Javoid says such actions were naught but mistakes from when he was less old and less wise. He considers Sadiq a “cold, calculating politician who wants to get on”. Says he’s known a lot of these.
For those interested in this diversion:
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/04/18/makbool-javaid-interview-sadiq-khan-s-former-brother-in-law
FYI says
The chief rabbi is “filled with hope”
Yes rabbi;maybe the koran’s claim that Jews “Be ye apes..to be despised and hated” koran 2:65 will disappear.Maybe islam’s call for a war against the Jews Sahih Muslim #6985..{oh rabbi did the muslims not tell you?maybe sadiq will enlighten you:probably not..}..will go away just like in the 1930s{remember?}when many Jews were no doubt “filled with hope” the nazis would go away.
Fingers crossed rabbi eh?Will you be blaming YHWH for the catastrophe that falls upon you?Hasn’t YHWH ALWAYS sent prophets to warn the Jews?
As for Cardinal Nichols :”We learn a lot about ourselves when we are in a time of testing”
Indeed:And we see who are the wolves disguised as sheep ,the smiley,Christless ,whited sepulchres like Nichols and Welby and pope francis.
Truly this is the age of judas priests and the meshugah rabbi!
FYI says
1930s: rabbi “i’m filled with hope”
The nazis will go away..
{the nazis have an ideology that calls for the destruction of the Jews.They claim when they gain power they will go after the Jews.The nazis come to power and do what they said they would do:they go after the Jews}
rabbi “Why YHWH,why did nobody warn us?why did you allow this?”
Today: rabbi “i’m filled with hope”
The islamic fanatics will go away..
{the muslims have an ideology that calls for war against the Jews SAHIH MUSLIM #6985.The fanatics claim that when they gain power they will go after the Jews and Israel…..}
rabbi “why YHWH,why did nobody warn us?Why are you allowing this?”
I thought the namby-pamby kumbayya Christians like those in the above video were bad…..
gravenimage says
+1
Rufolino says
Wow, I know precisely how you feel, FYI !
gravenimage says
What does this idiot think the season is about? Getting together with others and pigging out?
He seems to have completely missed the whole waging Jihad against the unbelievers thing…
Carol the 1st says
I’ve paraphrased Google:
Question: “Can non-muslim clerics chew gum and perform Ramadan?”
Answer: “Chewing gum is not permissible during Ramadan and would count as breaking your fast. The reason for this is because of the sugar and other ingredients that the chewing gum contains, as you would be swallowing it. Chewing gum is seen as eating, particularly as they provide nutrients that enter your body.
So forget about chewing the fat and nourishing anything.
Carol the 1st says
Google:
“Is it OK to listen to music during Ramadan?”
“During Ramadan, it is generally best to refrain from listening to music loudly. It may offend those who are fasting. However, it is acceptable to listen to music on your smartphone or iPod with the aid of headphones.”
Suggestion: Wouldn’t it look better to listen privately to your musical adhan reminder on your personal devices too? If that piece of music is allowed to be broadcast in kafir communities during the Ramadan “pause from the big jihad” then wouldn’t it look more sensitive and magnanimous to avoid risking “offending” kafir ears with that praise to your Allahu Akbar “greater” god? If this suggestion is ignored by our deaf overlords, then perhaps we could instead have a shield of drive-by tributes to symphonies like, hmmm…Freddy Mercury’s “Bohemian Rhapsody”!!?
Things like that have always worked well for me when I have selfish boors for neighbors!
gravenimage says
I just wish Muslims spent *all* their time fretting about whether it is Halal to chew gum and listening to Queen, and not so much time raping and murdering unbelievers.
Dude says
The new teaching seems to follow on from the original message. Of course, now God promotes murder, rape, robbery, and slavery. It may seem to make Him look like a scatterbrain, but some seem able to accept that. DUH
eddie says
“Do not worship any other god, for the LORD is a jealous God” (Exodus 34:14)
If I was a believer like Cardinal Nichols, I certainly wouldn’t fuck with the wrathful Jehovah.
gravenimage says
Ah…right.
Ignore the fact that Muslims are slaughtering unbelievers, and pretend that it is Jews and Christians doing this, instead.
Carol the 1st says
eddy…The “wrathful Jehovah” is a curiosity from a more helpless, superstitious time. For Christians (and surely for Jews also) he was put on the back shelf many, many moons ago. Even Islamophiles like Karen Armstrong in the pay of big coinckidinky awards and universities will tell you that.
gravenimage says
Cardinal Vincent Nichols, president of Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales, celebrates Ramadan at home
………………
Another dhimmi tool.
Rufolino says
An extremely useful iciot, like most of the Church hierachies today (all of them.)
somehistory says
“Fools rush in.” This whole thing is minus the “good,” only having “the bad and the ugly.”
It’s such a wonder that they continue to pretend they are Christian…which means being a “follower of Christ,” “walking in the way,” “walking in the Light,” and doing things as Christ did, following in His footsteps, **not** doing anything He would not do.
Jesus would not be taking part in this unholy month of gluttonous and greedy lust for food and killing. Jesus would be telling the “Truth” about islam, even though it would mean moslims the world over threatened and tried to kill Him.
Jesus’ Apostles would not be partaking in this feast for satan, this lust to gorge themselves and then go on killing sprees. His Apostles would be telling the Truth about islam, even though it would mean death threats and attacks from moslims offended by Truth. And even though those who support islam would be calling for public apologies from those telling the Truth.
No one has to imagine how the Almighty God feels about these pretenders doing this and encouraging others to do so. The Bible s full of examples of what God thinks about people worshipping satan the devil…no matter by what name that demon is known.
As God says of Himself, He is “the Same” today as He was yesterday and looks on this demon worship just as He did in the past.
Jesus said, “No one can serve two masters.” These pretenders are not serving the Holy God
Phil Copson says
Like Theresa May in the political sphere, Nicholls only qualifications appear to be an over-developed talent for lying, snivelling, grovelling, and treachery.
Rufolino says
The Church authorities today evoke contempt, and it’s a very unpleasant feeling.
FYI says
No doubt Jesus Christ will condemn them:they talk about living their faith and yet they don’t preach the Gospel to the muslims{as they are required to do}
What two-faced hypocrisy!
They pander to and cheerfully accomodate that which is clearly anti-Christ{the koran CURSES christians for believing in Jesus k9:30 etc}
Jesus Christ had no time for the ‘holy’ men,the religious authorities of His day:See Matthew chpt 23 An entire chapter in which Jesus tells us how He views ‘holy’ men{and it would certainly apply to the appaling religous leaders today,Catholic,Protestant,Jewish etc}.
It is pretty ferocious and completely at at odds with the kumbayaa christianity of many of these churchpeople.
{in fact they are the very ones Jesus is talking about in Matthew chpt 23}
People like St Peter,St John the Baptist:they represent the authentic TRUE ‘muscular’ christianity,not the inspid cuddly charade we see today.
Do you know the ONLY time I have ever heard the actually Gospel preached properly…. was from Street preachers?They tell people to repent and get right with God:believe it or not,i never heard that in any church i went to{just some nice cuddly sermon,some feelgood nonsense delivered by a smiley clergyman}
so I sat down and read the Bible on my own:I don’t need ‘blind guides’ leading me astray.
In these treacherous times,to anybody who comes from a protestant or catholic background and who is fed up with these disgraceful,cowardly,church leaders:just go back to the Bible yourself and stay away from cults,from islam{don’t be fooled into thinking it is the god as the YHWH of the Bible} and ‘holy’ men.They are surely condemned for their failures.
BTW that pic of Nichols?Looks like he’s saying a heil {mary} to the NWO..
Dawne says
We all know this is wrong; as many people as possible need to stand up and make that point. Cardinal Nichols has tweeted his observance of Iftar: https://twitter.com/CardinalNichols?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Otherwise we let this creeping Islamisation carry on. Bear in mind twitter will delete anything they consider “Islamophobic” but there are plenty of ways to get the message across.
We can all comment there that his support of the religious observance of Iftar is sacrilegious to Catholics and indeed all Christians. His job is to uphold the Catholic faith and strengthen the religious faith of his (Catholic) congregation – not to take part in Islamic religious practices.
william carr says
How many Christian or other faith festivals do the Muslims celebrate
Carol the 1st says
Do we see them in the pews? Will any significant value melding/shedding take place? At these iftar dinners one can be totally assured that they are attempting to score points with one another and in Allah’s record book by slyly watching who among them charms the most number of pants off of the amusing enablers – the silly Pollyanna Christian kuffar. Bottoms up to Allah!
I spotted something concerning the other day. Rebel News (one of the rare Canadian defenders with Ezra Levant and all) has oddly taken on Raheel Raza as some kind of “muslim consultant”. Shades of Hollywood! I don’t trust her vision and that of just about any Pollyanna “reformer” as I have no trust in those who attempt to cling to whatever “spiritual” ashes would remain in the Moe’s monstrosity. I hope Jihad Watch keeps an eye on this.
Carol the 1st says
The problem is the EMBERS remain in those ashes and you never know what fool will come along and find it useful to stir them again. The muslim hatchet needs to be buried.
Goofy says
During these last days we see the paradox that a handful of committed Christians putting their lives on the line to bravely inform the Muslims about the faith professed by Islam, and they leave in droves in utter disgust. Many become Christians.
Then we have the Roman Catholic church and some protestant churches which have completely forgotten what the protest was all about, and which have replaced the Triune God with the god of political correctness. It goes out of its way l to lend undeserved credibility to Islam ignoring that Islam rides on the back of Christianity and Judaism but inconsistently defines itself as a deadly enemy of both of them. Islam is unique in blaspheming all what Jews and Christians believe.
Apparently it means nothing to the Roman Catholic church and it’s mindless followers that Muslims kill and persecute Christians every single day, impose forced conversions to Islam, exploit them as slaves, including sex slaves, commit deadly acts of terrorism and so on.
At the same time the head of the Roman Catholic church expresses contempt for those Christians who take the Great Commission seriously and preach the gospel!
Instead the Roman Catholic church in its human wisdom decided during Vatican II that Islam contains an element of truth, apparently because it falsely claims to be monotheistic and Abrahamic. By doing that the Roman Catholic church and it’s mindless followers have become Pharisees in whom themselves there is no truth.
Seek the narrow way …
Carol the 1st says
“It goes out of its way l to lend undeserved credibility to Islam ignoring that Islam rides on the back of Christianity and Judaism but inconsistently defines itself as a deadly enemy of both of them.”
Great description, Goofy! As they say, ‘You can’t make this stuff up!’.
R Russell says
The RC church has welcomed back some of the denominations which arose from the Reformation. The C of E I believe is one of them. They have returned to the Roman fold.
Many believe the RC church will play a large part in the Tribulation just before Jesus returns.
Many will be beheaded for the testimony of Jesus at that time – and we know who love to slaughter Christians in this way.
Ecosse1314 says
Not strictly true. They have accepted some Anglicans who were dissatisfied with female priests and bishops. Those Anglicans can keep their own rituals but must accept Pope Dickhead as their leader.
Carol the 1st says
Thanks for the clarification. The Anglican Church may be the closest Protestant one to Catholicism but I doubt it will turn back to the purported big daddy authoritarian for all time and ‘gatekeeper’ for what Jesus was all about! Many churches and individuals see women as the “little brown hens” and thus not quite valid as leaders. That’s OK with me so long as we love, respect, and compliment one another.
I’ve actually never attended an Anglican church (though I had an Irish uncle who was a cannon and graduated from Trinity College Dublin via the scrimping of his farming parents). Last week I accidentally overheard a local Anglican cannon/priest give a sermon on TV and was quite pleased by his style and subject matter. I plan to check it out further some day. There are benefits to this shut-in time!
Carol the 1st says
That’s “complement”, but compliments are quite helpful too!
gravenimage says
No, the Church of England is not Catholic.
Zé Manel Tonto says
He celebrates ramadan, while the government prohibits churches from congregate.
It is easy to see who is winning.
Carol the 1st says
“Once you give an inch” as the saying goes. Seems in 2017 Nichols participated so it would be more offensive to say “No” after once accepting. “No” the first time can mean “Maybe, but I need to think about this” but “No” later on is a rejection and says “I’ve changed my mind after a closer look and prefer to back off”. Unfortunately “once the camel’s nose is under the tent, the whole body follows”.
This is the style and motto that the shrewd ones – via their enormous experience – have learned works at overcoming their victims.
No Muzzies Here says
It only counts if he fasted from dawn to sunset, and no fair sipping water either. He must have done his mass before sunrise, too or he would have been breaking his Ramadan fast.
Carol the 1st says
Such sacrilege and dishonor to Allah! His new best buddies would be highly disgusted privately but undoubtedly show “mercy” in public.
Andrew E Walker says
I’ll offer a generous 25 quid to the first Muslim who volunteers to celebrate, and indeed does celebrate, Christmas on 25th December this year.
Carol the 1st says
I’m sure some muslim beasty would LOVE to take you up on that but we all know that without approval from the elusive “higher-ups” that mean old right paw could get VERY ugly with the sweet and well-meaning little left one! Best to remain low-key.
Carol the 1st says
All of this reminds me of a JW article yesterday by Christine Douglas-Wiiliams:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/05/canada-islamic-call-to-prayer-broadcast-over-loudspeakers-causing-fierce-divisions-as-reviled-opponents-fight-back
It seems some muslim right-paws are coming to Canada to pay a serious visit – the Tamighli Jamat – an India-based Islamic group looking to “reform muslims” (back to old-school thought).
Also lined-pockets Mississauga is getting pushback on their allowing of the adhan (and its WORDS – it is not just “similar to a church bell” as some fool councillors are so ignorant as to pretend to think (and thus feel virtuous as they mislead others no doubt). There are at least two petitions now attempting to stop this ADHAN FARCE of protecting whining, depressed muslim who “feel” very badly during this very trying time. Links to the PETITIONS are in Christine’s fine article.
I recently had a Christian couple who have managed to escape the Middle East – one from Iraq and the other a Copt from Egypt approach some mutual friends and ask for signatures for such petitions and if we’d write local councillors (the useless ones who send back boilerplate replies) so I made extra effort on this article and may just send them a link. They say they are FILLED WITH FEAR AND DISTRESS that Canadians do not realize what Islam is about and will enable Islam to settle in here. Now there’s a set of “feelings” for you!
OLD GUY says
Yep Ramadan the beginning of open season on non-muslims. How can a Carinal of the Catholic Church celebrate the Muslim slaying of christians around the world. Islam is the death of Christianity everywhere that it gains control of the political systems and installs sharia law. There appears to be a lack of common sense among the Catholic leadership and in many cases our politicians
mortimer says
Naïve Pollyannas.
Carol the 1st says
They probably read here and there but choose to kick the can down the road in an attempt to keep their jobs and show “grace under pressure” since to do otherwise would make them appear to be howlers at the moon. After all you never know, people just might put down their clubs and knives in favor of their enoyable little electronic toys. Violence is unthinkable and passe, right?
I wonder if anyone here has ever discussed the Treaty of 1213? Per the article below it is still valid and overrides later agreements e.g. the VATICAN actually owns England and the U.S. It can boot the Queen off the throne at will. We know there’s a triangle between the world’s only three CITY STATES so maybe there’s reason to be paranoid about the Holy See? It actually wouldn’t be too hard to believe!:
https://www.spencorp.info/treaty-of-1213
mortimer says
Cardinal Vincent Nichols should not celebrate the Month of Jihad, Battles, Martyrdom and VIctories. He should Christianize the Muslims.
Carol the 1st says
The muslims should Christianize themselves Mortimer. Then the decent humans of normal awareness and intelligence would not have to waste their precious time bothering with them.
Imakeislamistmad says
I’m Muslim and I celebrate Easter with my Christian wife and kids. I know Muslims who celebrate with their Muslim wives (No pun intended) so be happy all. The Islamist want to kill everything in its path starting with personal freedom. Something they hate and detest. Watch out for them.
Carol the 1st says
Do you know your own rigid, crazy creed? Or do you just fancy you’re some innocent “chilled-out” partaker and contributor in some sheared-off version of Islam? The Koran, the Hadith and Sharia Law are nothing to build a decent life upon. Those who choose to do so insult themselves and are the ones to “watch out for”.
gravenimage says
Imakeislamistmad, do you reject the model of Muhammed, who robbed. raped, enslaved, and slaughtered Infidels? Do you reject the Qur’an, which tells you to lie in wait for the Infidels and kill them? How are “Islamists” different from devout Muslims?
These are important questions for you to think about.
The Revd Dr Alan C. Clifford says
THIS CATHOLIC CARDINAL IS A JUDAS INDEED. GIVING ANY COUNTENANCE TO ISLAM IS TO BETRAY CHRIST.