It’s clear where this is tending, and what kind of future NRK and the Norwegian political and media elites in general want. They think that if they show good will to the nation’s rapidly growing Muslim community, the Muslim communities will reciprocate, and everyone will march together into the glorious multicultural future. While that will certainly be true of some Muslims, others will continue to hold Norwegian society and law in contempt. They will see the Norwegian media’s outreach as a sign of weakness and accordingly become even more aggressive. What will the Norwegian government do then?
“Norwegian state TV promotes a hijab-wearing woman on promo ad for Constitution Day,” Voice of Europe, May 16, 2020:
Some Norwegians are outraged after the broadcaster, in a promotional ad for Norway’s national day of independence on May 17th, featured a woman in a hijab standing next to the Norwegian flag.
“Is promoting a hijab in line with NRK’s mission? Hijab stands for something else than what we are celebrating wrote Jan Otto Viken from Resett Norway
This isn’t the first time NRK has prompted widespread anger during their coverage of Constitution Day. In 2015, the broadcaster feature the Norwegian flag without the cross so as not to offend any religious minorities.
And recently, Linda Noor – a Norwegian convert to Islam and the leader of the government sponsored think tank Minotenk – defended a Muslim man’s “right” to have more than one wife, the news portal Rights Norway reported.
“If people want more wives in Islamic marriages, or if they want to do things I don’t like, then people have to accept this. Tolerance must go all the way, as long as it does not harm anyone,” Noor said.
mortimer says
The Islamic veil is the ultimate symbol of misogyny and patriarchy. The Islamic veil declares that a woman is the absolute property of her patriarch. Sharia-supporters are determined to impose this backward culture on Norway.
Det islamske slør er det ultimate symbol på misogyni og patriarki. Det islamske sløret erklærer at en kvinne er patriarkens absolutte eiendom. Sharia-tilhengere er fast bestemt på å pålegge Norge denne tilbakestående kulturen.
Norwegians are being duped by a supremacist culture.
Nordmenn blir lurt av en supremacistisk kultur.
Rufolino says
If Norway “tolerates the intolerant, intolerance will win”.
James Lincoln says
Rightly so, Rufolino.
Every once in a while, it’s important to post this:
Karl Popper’s “The paradox of tolerance”
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”
gravenimage says
So true, Rufolino and James.
mortimer says
Clinical studies of polygamy show that polygamy causes real emotional harm
However, propagandist Linda Noor said, “Tolerance must go all the way, as long as it does not harm anyone.” Oh really?
Do Norwegians ‘tolerate’ Aztec human sacrifice? Who said that polygamy doesn’t hurt children and women?
Psychologists do not agree. Polygamy causes real emotional harm. Clinical studies of polygamy show that mental symptoms in polygamous families have “elevated somatization, depression, hostility and psychoticism and their general severity index was higher.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3782180/
Norwegians have a right to discriminate against polygamy because it is truly harmful and creates many unnecessary problems.
Wellington says
Agreed, mortimer. Polygamy is an absolute guarantee that women will never be equal to men. It is impossible for women to be equal to men wherever polygamy exists. Utterly impossible.
Any sensible female who thinks herself the equal of the male (as she should), must be utterly opposed to polygamy because wherever polygamy exists it is inimical to the concept, to the reality, of true equality between the sexes. One knows this or should know it, whether female or male.
Islam to this day endorses polygamy. Draw the only defensible conclusion from this all you Western women out there (including Leftist feminists who have been about as dense and cowardly on Islam as any woman could be).
Islam has wrong written all over it many times over, not the least of such wrongs being death for apostasy and severe harm or death for anyone who dares criticize Mohammed, but among its many other errors, the endorsement of polygamy to this day by EVERY major school of Islamic theology, Sunni or Shiite, ranks way up there among Mohammedanism’s many tragic, useless and abominable errors.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Mortimer and Wellington.
James Lincoln says
Spot on, gravenimage.
LB says
Your post would make sense in a Western society where men and women are equally valued and cared for, both physically and emotionally.
In the muslim world on the other hand, males don’t care about their wives’ emotions whatsoever. They are there to satisfy his sexual needs, give birth to his children and be his servant maids. Should one of them voice their dissatisfaction, the “holy” quran has given the muslim the right to beat her until she stops complaining. Problem solved! Physical wounds left from the beating? Meh, they’ll heal eventually. The funny thing is that a large majority of muslim women are completely on board with this because “the perfect religion” can’t be wrong, unlike those filthy infidel whores whose genitals are not mutilated and who walk around with their hair uncovered!
And besides, who are Norwegians (the vilest of creatures) to tell muslims (the best of peoples) how to behave? They should just shut up and be conquered already! (obligatory sarcasm indicator)
gravenimage says
+1
Ade Fegan says
a “hijab wearing woman” … with a hideous abscess !
Diane says
The propaganda is now waist deep. May God help my/our female descendants!
FYI says
Her Linkedin profile
“Excellent skills in analytical thinking”
Really?
Converting to a misogynistic ARAB cult that insists women are HALF the legal value of a muslim male{koran 2:282} due to what islam’s child-raping,polygamous,woman-beating “prophet” muhammed..a feminist some say..} insisted was{Sahih Bukhari # 2658} “the deficency of a woman’s mind”?
{Noor’s advanced skills include the usual Leftard “specialities”:cultural complexity,intercultural dialogue,identity politics..transnationalism…}
One of her “specialities” is…wait for it..} …. GENDER EQUALITY.
In islam?There is no GENDER EQUALITY in islam.
What an idiot to claim to be pro-gender equality ,then to convert to a misogynistic male Arab cult….that does not believe in gender equality!
Perhaps she should wear that hijab too..{as required;which she would know since one of her “specialties” is islam}…..as a sign of islam’s GENDER EQUALITY.
“Excellent skills in analytical thinking”?
What a Joke..i would say it is the ABSENCE of any analytical thinking skills coupled with an inability to process Logic{women in islam are inferior to men}or Irony{GENDER EQUALITY in islam?A woman is not equal to a man in islam}
Goofy says
Norway has apparently thrown it’s entire culture out of the window to accommodate Islam and the Koran which commands that all wives must be treated equally. The same Koran concludes that this command is impossible to achieve but nevertheless polygamy remains a feature of Islam along with “temporary marriage”, sex slaves, rape etc.
I wonder what this Norwegian woman knows about Islam? Does she know that she is destined to hell because she is a woman? On the bright side does she know that she will be among the privileged women in hell because she is white and therefore will be useful as a perpetually recycled virgin in the harem owned by a Muslim faithful who has merited his place in paradise by killing impressive numbers of infidels?
I will not ask about her knowledge of Christianity. It is obvious that she has none.
Wellington says
Hijab = swastika. In sartorial expression, the former is representative of a master religion; the latter of a master race.
Think I’m too harsh or inaccurate here? If you do, I would argue that you have a lot to learn—or, even worse, you are quite knowingly deceitful.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Excellent analogy, my compliments.
And, may I add, both the hijab and swastika are purposely worn to be “in your face – deal with it” symbols…
Jocelynn Cordes says
Wow! Excellent analogy. This needs pursuing.
OTTER says
Dear White Male Readers of Jihadwatch.
You have a problem and it is your white women. Big problem.
You have relinquished all control over your women and look where it has led you. They have stopped bearing your children, and they have gone over to the other side. One of the most overlooked but potent causes of the advancing Muslim supremacism the White Women in the West. Control your women or Islam will control you. Islam has a peculiar hold over women and we are deluding ourselves when we think that they should logically not be supporting Islam because it treats women badly. Women have a deep desire to be led by men but the nonsense of gender equality has been a dagger in the heart of white men. You have declining testosterone levels, increasing drug use, hardly any families and children (if you have them) who are distant from you. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but wake up before its too late. I don’t want white men to simply go down without a fight in history. And I’m not white!
gravenimage says
The repulsive OTTER wrote:
Dear White Male Readers of Jihadwatch.
You have a problem and it is your white women. Big problem.
You have relinquished all control over your women and look where it has led you.
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We’ve certainly heard *this* ugly claptrap before, including from OTTER–that men–white men, especially–need to control women just as the vicious Muslims do. Why allow women any agency of their own if you can just enslave them, instead?
Of course, no one who embraces Western values accepts this sick claptrap.
More:
They have stopped bearing your children,
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Men and women *have children together*. Unless, of course, OTTER is talking about rape. It would not surprise me; there are those flogging this ugly meme who advocate for forced breeding for white women.
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and they have gone over to the other side.
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What “other side” is this? Is OTTER saying that white women who won’t date him are all Jihadists?
More:
One of the most overlooked but potent causes of the advancing Muslim supremacism the White Women in the West. Control your women or Islam will control you. Islam has a peculiar hold over women and we are deluding ourselves when we think that they should logically not be supporting Islam because it treats women badly. Women have a deep desire to be led by men but the nonsense of gender equality has been a dagger in the heart of white men. You have declining testosterone levels, increasing drug use, hardly any families and children (if you have them) who are distant from you. This may be a bit of an exaggeration, but wake up before its too late. I don’t want white men to simply go down without a fight in history. And I’m not white!
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There are, sadly, also a number of men converting to Islam–this is why prisons are such hotbeds of Da’wa. Violent felons are attracted to the sacrilization of violence in Islam. The idea that it is just women–and just white women–who convert to Islam is claptrap.
And the idea that men are closer to their children if only they are allowed to enslave their wives is just bizarre.
In the same way, there are a lot of women–including many here at Jihad Watch–who take a strong stand against Jihad and Shari’ah. How does Islam have a “peculiar hold” over Anti-Jihadist women? The idea that these women need to be stripped of their rights and controlled just as Muslims crush and control women is simply grotesque.
JMB says
+ 1
gravenimage says
Thank you , JMB.
Otter says
Otter here.
You misunderstand me. I apologise for offending you. However, may I submit as follow?
Too much of emotion and not enough thought to what I said.
Some facts:
On declining testosterone levels. A sad fact. See:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321564
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/07/15/the-wests-testosterone-decline/
On Islam’s peculiar hold over women:
Have you noticed that the virtually all the persons who hold banners always shown in Jihad Watch like ‘They are not a danger, they are in danger” are women? Have you noticed the number of white feminist women who protect Islam? And since more women likely to be democrats than men (See: https://news.gallup.com/poll/120839/Women-Likely-Democrats-Regardless-Age.aspx) and democrats are more likely to whitewash Islam, and women can be decisive in elections, they represent a specific challenge for overcoming Islam.
About the men converting to Islam in prisons is factually correct, but here’s the thing: when white men convert to Islam, they become even more dangerous. Remember Anwar-Al-Awalaki?
On strong anti-Jihadist women:
I have never said that women cannot be strong anti-Jihadists. Several seemingly contradictory things can exist at the same time. You have strong women (thank God for them), including my new heroes, Anjuli Pandavar and Radhika Singh. You have women Pam Geller and Brigette Gabriel. These women are the exception, however.
About increased drug abuse in white men, see:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2612444
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/29/health/heroin-abuse-increase-study/index.html
About, “Why allow women any agency of their own if you can just enslave them, instead?”
I never said that. Society has to have order. If fact, societal order depends far more upon women’s behaviour than men’s. May I remind you of the Christian vow, which has now disappeared that the wife is to obey the husband. That does not, repeat, not mean blind unreasoning control of a man over a woman, of abuse or anything like that.
It simply means that there has to be control in society, which has disappeared in personal relationships, whereas it exists in our offices, in the corporate world without any problem. In terms of women longing for strong men, that’s hardly a debatable thing-just go to the strange genre of vampire fiction and you will read how they long for the strong types.
About men and women having children together.
True but now the women decide and please see:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6574435/White-women-lower-fertility-rates-state-rates-black-Hispanic-women-rise.html
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/
The fertility of women can fall quite dramatically with education. When women get highly educated, they are the ones who control whether they will have children at all. Case in point: AOC, who is young but goes into convulsions about the thought of children.
My basic point remains:
Muslims control their women and white men don’t. That does not mean that white men are not involved in the submission to Islam as any number of white leftists are. Some of the most eloquent defenders of Islam are in fact, white men like John Esposito. Of course, there are female professors too, who can go to absurd lengths to defend Islam, like Karen Armstrong.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news or an unpopular point of view, but let it be known: I admire strong women and we have lots of them in Jihad Watch. Hooray for them.
gravenimage says
Otter wrote:
Otter here.
You misunderstand me. I apologise for offending you. However, may I submit as follow?
Too much of emotion and not enough thought to what I said.
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Actually, I have given a great deal of measured thought to those who want to oppress women. That does not mean that I like this aspect of it, any more than I like FGM, forced veiling, or being stoned to death.
You can insist that women opposing being controlled are ‘too emotional’. but would you also consider a call for men to be controlled by women–or for Infidels to be controlled by Muslims–to be too emotional, as well? I rather doubt it.
More:
Some facts:
On declining testosterone levels. A sad fact. See:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321564
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Note that this article cites obesity and declining physical activity–an issue with women in the West and globally, as well–as likely culprits for declining testosterone levels. *Nowhere* does this article claim that the cause is men not dominating women.
The second article says much the same thing, and less politely. Do you even read the articles you link to?
More:
On Islam’s peculiar hold over women:
Have you noticed that the virtually all the persons who hold banners always shown in Jihad Watch like ‘They are not a danger, they are in danger” are women?
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Really? Here is the most common image:
http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/they-are-not-dangerous-they-are-in-danger.jpg
Of the figures in the foreground, there are seven women–and seven men. The figures in the background appear to be much the same mix. This just proves that there are a lot of clueless people in the West–*not* that women are alone in this.
And most of these silly naifs know next to nothing about Islam–they just see Muslims as needy refugees. This is dangerous, no doubt, but it in no way shows that Islam has a hold on women. Why would you think that any of these people know that Islam presents a danger to us, when they are saying the exact opposite.
More:
Have you noticed the number of white feminist women who protect Islam? And since more women likely to be democrats than men (See: https://news.gallup.com/poll/120839/Women-Likely-Democrats-Regardless-Age.aspx) and democrats are more likely to whitewash Islam, and women can be decisive in elections, they represent a specific challenge for overcoming Islam.
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I am not a big fan of much of what passes for feminism today, as anyone who is familiar with my posting history here knows. I note, though, that you have moved the goalposts–you were talking about white women as a group before–the very group whose majority voted for Trump in the last election.
More:
About the men converting to Islam in prisons is factually correct, but here’s the thing: when white men convert to Islam, they become even more dangerous. Remember Anwar-Al-Awalaki?
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Where was I suggesting that men or women converting to Islam *was a good thing*? This is really bizarre.
As for citing Anwar Al-Awlaki as an example of an American who converted to Islam, this is very strange. Yes, he was born here–but he was born to Yemeni Muslims. There are American men and women who have no background in Islam and convert to that vicious creed, but Al-Awlaki is not an example of this.
More:
On strong anti-Jihadist women:
I have never said that women cannot be strong anti-Jihadists. Several seemingly contradictory things can exist at the same time. You have strong women (thank God for them), including my new heroes, Anjuli Pandavar and Radhika Singh. You have women Pam Geller and Brigette Gabriel. These women are the exception, however.
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Well, that’s good to hear. There are too few Westerners in general who are clueless about the danger of Jihad–men *and* women.
More:
About increased drug abuse in white men, see…
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Drug use *is* a serious issue, among both men and women. Note that neither article cites men not being able to control women as a factor in drug use. One of them does cite people getting hooked on prescription drugs, though. These are not actually the same thing.
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About, “Why allow women any agency of their own if you can just enslave them, instead?”
I never said that. Society has to have order. If fact, societal order depends far more upon women’s behaviour than men’s. May I remind you of the Christian vow, which has now disappeared that the wife is to obey the husband. That does not, repeat, not mean blind unreasoning control of a man over a woman, of abuse or anything like that.
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You mentioned *control*. In what way do you want that control to stop short of slavery? Of course, you do not say.
And my husband and I have together over thirty years now–we have a very strong and loving marriage.
I do not obey my husband–we work things out together. Why should I obey him, any more than he should obey me? It seems the idea of mutual respect is alien to you. This is terribly sad.
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It simply means that there has to be control in society, which has disappeared in personal relationships, whereas it exists in our offices, in the corporate world without any problem. In terms of women longing for strong men, that’s hardly a debatable thing-just go to the strange genre of vampire fiction and you will read how they long for the strong types.
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This is hilarious! Firstly, vampire fiction is called fiction for a reason. Then, if you read books like the Twilight series, you will see that characters like Bella Swan are actually very strong willed. This is not a case of a fainting, passive figure who wants to be dominated by a strong guy. Have you actually read these books? The same is true of the “Fifty Shades of Grey” books.
More:
About men and women having children together.
True but now the women decide and please see:
The fertility of women can fall quite dramatically with education. When women get highly educated, they are the ones who control whether they will have children at all. Case in point: AOC, who is young but goes into convulsions about the thought of children.
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So now you wants to strip women of their right to an education, as well? Why don’t you just convert to Islam now?
And yes–either men or women can refuse to have children. If this decision is not mutual, then this is called rape. Islam loves rape, as well.
And no, AOC is not the average white woman–in fact, she isn’t even white, She loudly identifies as Hispanic–even though you said that these women all have higher fertility rates.
Yet more:
My basic point remains:
Muslims control their women and white men don’t. That does not mean that white men are not involved in the submission to Islam as any number of white leftists are. Some of the most eloquent defenders of Islam are in fact, white men like John Esposito. Of course, there are female professors too, who can go to absurd lengths to defend Islam, like Karen Armstrong.
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There are all sorts of things Muslims do that civilized Infidels do not. They oppress and murder unbelievers and crush freedom of expression. Does this mean that these are ergo good things that should be emulated? I think not.
More:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news or an unpopular point of view, but let it be known: I admire strong women and we have lots of them in Jihad Watch. Hooray for them.
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Uh huh. Too bad for them that you are demanding that they be controlled. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
I’m a white male, Otter, and I don’t have a problem with white women but rather with Leftists, Muslims, Neo-Nazis, Marxists, anarchists, KKK members and to some extent with moderates who tend to be lacking in resolve and all of the above regardless, completely so, of gender.
A la Dennis Prager, I would far rather have nine black female conservatives on the Supreme Court than nine white liberal men. It’s the ideology, stupid.
James Lincoln says
Spot on, Wellington!
And don’t you just love smart, black conservative women like Candace Owens?
Wellington says
Thanks, James. I have said for many years now there is no group of Americans I admire more than black conservatives. They have to put up with derisive comments from fellow blacks and even liberal whites can impugn a black conservative’s integrity and intelligence with no consequences.
As tough as it has become to be white and public about being conservative, it is even more difficult to be black and openly express conservative ideology—like Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Niger Innis, Clarence Thomas and Walter Williams. They certainly have my respect as I’m sure they do yours.
gravenimage says
Agree, James and Wellington.
We also see what Christine Douglass-Williams had to go through.
James Lincoln says
OTTER,
I carefully analyzed your post – I actually believe that you meant well, others may not.
The problem is your use of the words “control” and “led”. There is an immediate emotional – and understandable – “dog on a leash” analogy.
According to Merriam-Webster, “control” means:
1. to exercise restraining or directing influence over : REGULATE
control one’s anger
2. to have power over : RULE
A single company controls the industry.
If you substituted the verbiage “very strong positive influence”, your post makes sense.
And if you met “led” to mean “to lovingly guide someone along a way”, I have no problem with that.
OTTER, am I correct in my assumptions?
OTTER says
Thank you James, you are exactly right.
I am concerned about what happens to the World if the West falls to Islam. We have to look within to see why we are failing. We must analyse our weaknesses relentlessly. I do not repeat not want men to exploit women. Men and women should love and respect each other. The fact is that the relations between Western men and women, as evidenced by declining rates of marriage, number of children, leaves our society really exposed to the advance of Islam. What is wrong with what I am saying? Should we not look inward? And if not, why not? Why are issues of gender relations in the West unmentionable as evidenced by the strong reaction of Gravenimage? She’s a strong woman. Great! But can we overlook instances like that Irish singer ( I forget her name) converting to Islam?
James Lincoln says
OTTER,
Thank you for the reply.
We do, indeed, have to include “looking within” to see why we are failing – and see objectively where it leads.
As a sidebar, I have GREAT respect for gravenimage.
I read all of her posts – where you can learn a lot about a person.
She is highly intelligent, a very strong and wonderful person, and a very staunch anti-jihadist.
If the United States were filled with women like gravenimage, we would be MUCH better off…
gravenimage says
OTTER, I *never* said that you were not allowed to bring up gender issues–of course you can. And I would not have replied at such length if I thought otherwise.
And I did not ignore the mentally ill Sinéad O’Connor converting to Islam–in fact, I commented quite extensively on those stories. I also agree that Westerners converting to Islam is a serious and troubling issue.
And you are *certainly* right that one of the biggest reasons that Islam is a threat to us is the generally weak response of the West–I think we can both agree on that.
gravenimage says
Thank you, James.
Chistopher Watson says
Linda Noor – I agree with you wholeheartedly. Indeed “Tolerance should go the whole way!” But I believe women, the child bearing sex, should have a plurality of husbands. It actually makes more sense than the moslem norm: men become very tired after lovemaking; women need more comfortable homes to bring up children; men who are the single breadwinner cannot afford to properly care for 3 or 4 children or give them the time to raise them. The male of the family is usually at work and when he gets home is often over-tired. It makes perfect sense to have a second or even a third husband to help with the housework and teaching the children their moral duties. And to treat the wife in the manner to which she’d like to become accustomed. Yes, LInda Noor, I absolutely agree!
gravenimage says
Norway: State broadcaster NRK promotes hijab-wearing woman in ad for Constitution Day
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Just grotesque. And how many Hijab-wearing Muslims even believe in the Norwegian Constitution? Few to none.
JMB says
Just looking at the original image I see the Norwegian flag, it is based on the cross. I am also wondering just how many Hijab-wearing Muslims even believe in the Norwegian flag let alone the constitution. When will Muslims demand the the Norwegian flag be redesigned to include a crescent? Perhaps already some will deem the the cross is offensive.
gravenimage says
+1
Wellington says
+2
James Lincoln says
JMB,
My hunch is that the Norwegian flag will, in fact, eventually be redesigned to appease muslims.
gravenimage says
Here’s a related story, James:
“Norway’s call to remove crosses causes backlash”
https://www.thelocal.no/20151130/norway-remove-cross-refugees
UPDATED: Following heated debate, Norwegian officials have dropped the requirement that any buildings that house refugees remove their religous (sic) imagery in order to not offend the newcomers.
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Glad that there was backlash. But that this was considered at all is deeply disturbing.
James Lincoln says
Thanks for the link, gravenimage.
Leonard Dunnet says
Why don’t they get up and smell the coffee. Winston Churchill said “Muslims are only interested in minority rights when they are a minority. When they are the Majority there are no minority rights!”
gravenimage says
This is not a quote by Churchill–but it is spot on, regardless.