The underlying assumption behind allowing these jihadis to return to Germany is that they’re Germans — born in Germany and bearing German citizenship. That is technically true, but clearly they themselves don’t consider themselves to be German, but rather citizens of the international umma. Moreover, they joined a group that has repeatedly declared war upon Germany and other Western countries. They should never be allowed back. But barring them would require moral courage and clear thinking, both of which are in short supply in Germany today.
“Over 100 ‘Islamic State’ fighters return to Germany,” DW, May 23, 2020 (thanks to David):
Germany’s Interior Ministry said Sunday that over 100 members of the so-called “Islamic State” (IS) terrorist group have returned to the country following the jihadi networks failed incursions in Iraq and Syria.
“Security authorities obtained knowledge that they actively engaged in combat in Syria and Iraq or have completed apprenticeships to this end,” the ministry told the DPA news agency. “These people remain under police and judicial investigation.”
The ministry added that the number of open investigations is in the “two-figure range.”
Authorities believe that 1,060 IS fighters left Germany for Syria or Iraq, of which a third have since returned, the Interior Ministry said.
German authorities are taking a “holistic approach” to the handling of the returnees, which besides criminal prosecution includes deradicalization and reintegration, according to the ministry….
Turkish authorities have called on Germany and other European countries to take back IS suspects, with Turkish Interior Minister Soleyman Solyu saying in November that Turkey is not “a hotel for IS members.”
On Thursday, German authorities arrested two women, one of which was a suspected IS member, upon their arrival at Frankfurt Airport from Ankara after they were deported by Turkey….
medforth says
Sugar Feast under the sign of Islamization: Mass prayers in German inner cities
How far the “Islamic expansion” has gone in Central Europe, above all in Germany as the former heartland of the Christian West – to study this, certain events in the annual calendar offer most favourable occasions; currently it is for instance the just started three-day Sugar Feast, which was launched yesterday after the end of Ramadan. Many streets and places were in the rule of Muslims.
Particularly in several cities of North Rhine-Westphalia praying Muslims highlighted the fact that they claim the just again ” Corona relaxed” public space exclusively for their own religious practice – and without further ado they converted city centres, meadows and even parking lots of supermarkets into prayer areas. Strikingly, only men were always to be seen, strictly traditionally the women did not pray in public. And above all: it is the younger ones who present themselves here in strict faith – and not the older Muslims who have been living here for a longer time; a disturbing development, especially among Turks born here, but also among the young Arab refugees, which is connected with the worldwide strengthening of political Islam.
The related comments below the various Facebook and YouTube impressions leave no doubt as to how most Muslims in this country interpret these (for locals looking spooky) images: Not as an expression of a practised “German” or “moderate” Islam on the basis of the Basic Law, full of gratitude for the liberties granted to them – but as a gesture of triumph.
And such images are shared worldwide – and especially in the Islamic hemisphere between West Africa and the Hindu Kush they do not miss their fatal effect: There the message is understood as it is actually meant beyond the confessions of Muslim associations, foreigners’ and “integration councils”: Look here, the land of the infidels is as good as subjugated. So that even more may set out on the way to the promised land. But yesterday’s impressions also said a lot about the bitter reality of the much-vaunted ” coexistence”: Once again, the Umma demonstrated on German soil that it does not claim to “belong to Germany” – but at best that Germany should belong to Islam as soon as possible. This is the direction in which it is going, applauded, encouraged and promoted by naive idiots, idealistic dreamers and multiculturalists, whose contempt for Christian traditions and values has blinded them to the even more conservative religiousness of most Muslims especially in Europe and their ambivalence towards Western ways of life. The continuing boom that Islam is receiving was not only reflected in calls to prayer during the Corona crisis and in the de facto special treatment of Muslim believers who violated contact restrictions during the shutdown; the real Islamization that exists is progressing and is being driven forward year after year more blatantly by zealous, servile promoters of Islamization in politics and society, who with open arms and closed eyes approve of everything and welcome everyone. So much filled with the fear of being “Islamophobic” or even “racist”, everything is done out of fundamentally misunderstood tolerance so that the previous minority milieus of many parallel societies gradually become a majority society.And for them Germany is not home, but a mission territory and a territory to be conquered.
https://medforthblog.wordpress.com/2020/05/25/sugar-feast-under-the-sign-of-islamization-mass-prayers-in-german-inner-cities/
mortimer says
Robert Spencer’s observation is an important one: namely, the jihadis HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR GERMAN CITIZENSHIP.
Should Germany not say: ‘Yes, we agree … you don’t want to be Germans … we allow you to leave Germany and never return. If you want to be a subject of ISIS … then you have made your bed … now lie in it.’
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
Since 1977, Germany has been a signatory of the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.
The 1961 Convention aims to prevent statelessness and reduce it over time. It establishes an international framework to ensure the right of every person to a nationality. It requires that states establish safeguards in their nationality laws to prevent statelessness at birth and later in life. Perhaps the most important provision of the convention establishes that children are to acquire the nationality of the country in which they are born if they do not acquire any other nationality. It also sets out important safeguards to prevent statelessness due to loss or renunciation of nationality and state succession. The convention also sets out the very limited situations in which states can deprive a person of his or her nationality, even if this would leave them stateless.
There were 61 states party to the 1961 Convention in November 2014 when teams at UNHCR launched the Campaign to End Statelessness in 10 Years.
Germany has agreed not to deprive people of German citizenship.
Steve says
It won’t be too long down the road in, Germany and France, where the Islamic colonizers will be openly calling for autonomous regions.
Rufolino says
If and when Islam demands autonomous regions in European countries, civil war will be the inevitable result, beginning as sporadic guerrilla attacks, but soon exploding.
gravenimage says
We need to take a stand against Islam long before this.
gravenimage says
Over 100 Islamic State jihadis return to Germany, number of those under investigation only in “two-figure range”
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Suicidal insanity.
underbed cat says
The most likely way to effectively “remove” jihad terror from a country is to accurately understand how they have decieved the country of it’s terror structure and the subversive goals. To understand the terror motivations you have to read the book they base their life on, written in English language as are and other source document books. Then turn to those who can explain the language of the English, words such as” fight terrorism” which has a different direction or meaning for the Islamic taught person and they will sound sincere since it mean you. Also understand the you will be directed to the passages of the Quran that came earlier that sound peaceful and were replaced with commands of a different nature that are used to confuse and direct away from the connection or their goals to make the world Islamic and how terror fits in to cause the breakdown of spirit. THen you have to know they are not allowed to speak to non beleivers about the nature or sharia laws that could cause concern. So when a German muslim, who could fight against German citizens when they get a call can travel freely…..but in reality it is returning a jihadist. Then the face changes and the words mellow and they convince a country of their desire to be German all the while they are muslim and still have a mission to travel and embed to change Germany, so free tickets to the islamic country of their choice would be a good idea. But who would be able to fly that plane or ship. So the timeframe is before the embed or saturate not after. They have a strategy that accomplished their goals since they convinced a population to submit without information. In my opinion.
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
“That is technically true, but clearly they themselves don’t consider themselves to be German, but rather citizens of the international umma. ”
Why don’t you just say “members of an international terrorist cult/group”?
You need to drop the casual use of Islamic terms which the average person doesn’t understand. Stop speaking in language that is only understandable to people who read this blog every day since October 2007.
gravenimage says
Rob–with all respect–I think it is important for us to know our enemies.
Would you have, before WWII, have castigated Winston Churchill for using the terms Nazi, Third Reich, or Fascism? Should he just have said “mean people” instead?