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How to get better at writing?

As an engineer, I'd say the weakest part about myself is my ability to communicate the value that my product brings. I know that copywriters are really good at this but I wanted to see if there was a way to improve my writing to that level (or close to it).

I've read Obviously Awesome but I'm want to learn more. I've heard that
On Writing Well is a good book but does anyone have other books/resources I should look at to improve my writing?

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    I recently came across these two tools that help you write better (via PH):

    https://shosho.co/app
    http://www.hemingwayapp.com/

    They are similar to each other. I thought they were really smart and would consider using. Hopefully at some point one of them will launch a Chrome extension to help you write better anywhere.

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      Ill have to look into these thank you!

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    This might sound silly. It's really fun. And helps you write WAY better.

    Open a new google doc.
    you can type doc.new into chrome.

    Now, Rewrite a book.
    Your favorite book. character by character. Line by line. paragraph by paragraph.

    Rewrite great articles.

    Rewrite anything you LOVE.

    Rewrite great emails.

    Write it. type it. Write it out exactly as it.

    I did this for a few articles and a book that I love. It helped me live in good writing.

    OBVIOUSLY these books and articles have gone through edits. So they didn't start this way. When you walk in an expert's footsteps, at least you feel what it's like.

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      Got it any good books you recommend to start with?

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        Whatever you want to emulate. And I would recommend starting with articles or blog posts.
        I just rewrote PG's 13 Senetnces Essay. It was 4 pages in a google doc. Took me way longer than I anticipated. Didnt realize its 1200 words.

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          Perfect I'll start that then!

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    100% agree with scastiel on the "On Writing" book. It's excellent. Another great one to get the juices flowing (I read it once or twice per year) is "Writing Down the Bones."

    In the end what sagunsh said is correct. The best way to learn to write is to write. But, if you're not invested in what you're writing you'll burn out quick. If you're not dedicated to the time each day, you'll never develop the habit. If you're not focused on the task, it will fade in your mind.

    I say this as someone who has spent the last 20 years of his life writing for various reasons. I've published two books, a ton of tech writing and CS content, training documentation, and believe it or not I was a stand up comic for over a decade. Here's what I learned.

    -Write every day. If you can only spare 5 min a day, fine. Do nothing else for those 5 min but write. Do not edit. Do not drink coffee. Do not listen to music. Write. And in the beginning, never stop to overthink something. Just keep writing and everything that pops in your head, put it on the paper/screen.
    -Write what you know. If you don't know, don't write about it. The feedback you get for misinformation or stating the obvious will kill your motivation. Add value with skills or knowledge you have that you feel will help, tell an original story that you find interesting, or explain something from a unique perspective. But know it, don't stumble around in a world you just found out about.
    -Write what interests you. If you're not passionate about it, it shows thru your words. People will smell it and ignore you. Make sure you're connected with it. If you don't connect with it, why should anyone else?
    -Write in your own voice*. Again, if you're not being genuine they will smell it. So say it the way you would in a room full of friends. Use phrases you use, and don't try to sound like someone else. If the phrase is too "inside baseball" then use it anyway, and explain it. *But, sometimes we have a different opinion of our personalities than others. This is a time to be self aware. If you can sometimes be a bit dull, use this as an opportunity to spice it up a bit. Let the written word do for you what the spoken word can't.

    And finally, read. Read a ton about what interests you, what you want to learn about, an author who has a style you want to study, whatever. Just read. As I recently heard the head of PR at NerdWallet say, "What? You're a writer and you don't read? WTF?"

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      I think the toughest part of me is I love to read economics books but they are often dry and a hair repetitive. When I try to take this style to a more marketing level, it doesn't seem to carry over well. Any thoughts?

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        If that's the case then I'd point out that you don't have to write about what you enjoy reading, and you definitely don't have to write in the style you're used to reading. You obviously need to understand your subject matter, but from there find a style that you feel will connect with your audience. Simplify, change the vernacular, or throw in a bit of real world slang. I can tell you from experience that I feel lucky when I come across an author that is able to keep me in engaged in a subject that I would otherwise find boring. Solve that problem, and I think you'll be on to something.

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    The best approach is to start writing no matter what. Send your article to few of your friends and ask for honest opinion, even grammatical mistake or choosing right word. That's how you develop your skills. Until you get your hand dirty, no matter how many books you read, it will be hard to progress.

    So start writing. Just don't write whatever you want, spend some time on research, show it to as many people you can and ask for honest feedback and improve.

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      I started a medium blog but tbh not alot of people have viewed it and I don't know if that is based on my lack of marketing, lack of interest, or poor writing.

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        Submit your blog to publications, I get a lot of views when published on a publication.

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          Got it any tips on how to approach publications? Then tend to look for high-quality past posts which i think im lacking on.

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            Read through the guidelines of writing for a publication. Each prefer their own style. Try to write in their style and submit the article, if it doesn't get selected repeat. I got my article selected for Towards Data Science on third attempt. I also submitted 1 to Better Programming but got no response.

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        It's okay!

        I'm an engineer who's been writing for 8+ years. It's taken years to build a following - I doubt anyone read my first 3 years worth of content.

        But keep at it. You'll get better, more confident, and faster over time. Good luck!

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          Perfect I have no intention of giving up. I might just up my numbers on how many posts i put out. Do you recommend quality or quantity of posts?

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            I've tried both.

            For a few months, I wrote a short post every day. Those never got much attention. Usually, I put out one long (1500+ word) post every month or so. Maybe 1 in 10 gets significant traffic.

            I don't have a ton of "quick tips," I think the key is just making it a habit in some way.

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    Indeed “On Writing Well” is very good. I also enjoyed “On Writing” by Stephen King: half autobiographical, half advice about writing (mostly focused on fiction). Very nice and easy to read, and his advice is useful.

    You can have a look at “Elements of Style” too, a reference in improving at writing any form of text.

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      Ill check those out!

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    A few tips:

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    Hey Ayush!

    Great question.

    There are of course plenty of books out there that are good for general writing stuff (I recommend On Writing Well by Zinsser for some stylistic stuff, Elements of Style is good for basic grammar, etc.).

    As far as copywriting, a strategy that a lot of famous copywriters recommend is to read and write lots and lots and lots of copy. You can even try re-writing by hand the ad copy of websites and ads that you find really compelling. Dan Kennedy is a good person to read in this space: https://www.amazon.com/Dan-S.-Kennedy/e/B000AP7EBS%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

    There are lots of ways you can get more advanced after you get comfortable with writing, especially copywriting, and lots of strategies to dig into the psychology of your target audience, but the highest return activity you can do at first is just write more. This goes for all writing in general, but especially niche writing like copywriting that has its own style and its own format.

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      Im adding that to my list then. I guess fake it till you make it right?

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    One important piece of advice that I haven't seen here in the comments is to decide who you're writing for before you write.

    Sitting down to write "a thing" or "about a thing" tends to send most peoples' brains into a spin...even if they have lots of practice.

    The challenge is when you struggle to imagine who's going to read it - or more specifically, you imagine alllll of the people who might read it - you compensate by trying to write for many people at once and possibly, different people who need/expect different things.

    Compare that to writing an email where you know exactly who's going to read it, what context they have, what they know/don't know, what they understand, etc.

    One of the ways I often help folks unstick from this is with this three-step approach.

    The related issue is that even when you know who you're writing for...writing about the value your product brings assumes that they already care enough about your product to read, or believe that your product has anything to do with them.

    Even if your product solves a problem they have, there's a good chance that problem isn't top of mind for them at the very moment they read the thing you wrote!

    So instead of writing about your product (or answers or resources or whatever you have to offer), aim to get good at writing about their problems in their own words.

    That means paying closer attention to the way they write, especially when it isn't in direct response to your potentially leading questions. Take notes. Actually write down their words with your own fingers to help train it into your brain (sounds hokey but it really works!)

    The audience research and note-taking are skills that compliment the writing skills. All take practice!

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    "everybody writes" is the best book I read on writings. It cover writing methods for all sort of media.

    After that it's a matter of hours of practice to find your own style and to become competent.

    I wouldn't claim to be a great writer, not even good, but I was mediocre before reading that book and some 10000 hours of practice.

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      Ill have to add that book to my list then!

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    I'm currently building an app to help you with writing :-) It's called targetaudience.app

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      Ill have to check this out? How does the scanning work are you using some sort of encoding based on a lexical dataset to give weight to certain high conversion words?

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        It's going to teach you the basics of copywriting. And with the editor, you can analyze your content. It will look at the formats you use, the sentiment in your text and certain words.

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          Thats awesome one of my patents is in the sentiment analysis space so im curious how the nitty gritty works.

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            I'd say, give it a try😄

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    Hi @akumar0630 - You're not alone. I have talked with lots of engineers who find writing difficult.

    This may help: I created SplashPad, a website that recommends language for your emails that improves your writing. https://www.getsplashpad.com/

    Out of curiosity, what type of writing are you seeking to do?

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