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8 reasons why your community is not engaging

Hi, fellow Indie Hackers,

I have been helping people build their communities for a little while. I am very happy that I was able to build a couple of communities with high engagement. A lot of people might be curious what is the standard for high engagement? My definition is simple: When you have people responding to the original content, when members interact with each other creating supporting content.

Today I want to share what are the reasons why most of the communities are struggling with their engagement.

  1. Decentralization. I have seen small communities with 4 social media presence. Their members were totally confused about where they should go to find the notification. In this case, decentralization can be controlled by decreasing social media presence. For some communities, they managed their social media really well. The problem was that their members are divided by different platforms. For instance, the audiences on Youtube does not interact with the audiences on twitter. This type of decentralization is a lot harder to fix. So far I haven't come across a universal solution for this one.

  2. No discussion thread. One of the downside sides of using chat apps for community building, What I really mean by this is that members do not have a place to create comments or follow-ups or discussions on the topic/event. There is no way to create supporting content. There is no way for people to interact with. A good example will be WhatsApp groups. You cannot discuss two topics at once. If you missed when everyone is talking about it, you can never go back and talk about it. Plus you have to scroll up so much to just get to the topic text.

  3. Members don't receive notifications. It turns out to be quite common that members of a club didn't see a lot of updates from the community. It's extremely common with communities on Slack. Somehow a lot of people come to me and say that Slack sometimes doesn't deliver the message in time. By the time the received it or found it, it's too late to join the discussion.

  4. Members can't find the message because it was too complex. A good example will be many communities on Discord. When discord pushes a notification, it doesn't always lead you to the place where the message is. You have to find it yourself, and it is hard when you have many channels and you might not even be familiar with the user interface of Discord. Most people will give up here. The downside of the channel feature if you don't design it well.

  5. Wrong content/Irrelevant content. This is the major mistake that most of the community builders make. When you make some content that doesn't resonate with your members, your members don't want to see it. They will only interact if they can get something they need out of it. They have to feel rewarded every time they interact with your content. This is major and critical.

  6. The community builder is not consistent. A lot of builders is not providing content at a consistent pace. They don't interact or respond to their members consistently. This is bad practice. You will lose trust over this. People tend to have more trust when someone shows up consistently.

  7. The community builder did not engage. Many community builders take engagement for granted. The inertia is bad. They expect the members to be engaging on its own. That is the wrong mindset. Early-stage community building is like an engine. You gotta spark it first, then slowly it will start to run on its own. But you must spark it first. When members post something, respond to them quickly. Be engaging. If the builder is not engaging, he/she cannot expect the members will.

  8. Members don't feel safe enough to participate, intimacy is lacking. It comes down to trust and relationship. You have to build trust and relationships. You want to create intimacy. Think it this way: all the community members need to be your best friends. You generate that intimacy by spending quality time and providing value to each other. With intimacy, people trust you and have a good relationship. They will feel very comfortable sharing their thoughts. This principle is extremely important to communities that deal with sensitive issues (i.e. mental health group, lawyer gathering, spiritual group, etc)

These are the 8 reasons that are causing the engagement issue in all the communities that I have met. I really hope this helps community builders to boost up their engagement rate. While this is merely the reason and phenomenon, I have not yet had time to write out the solutions.

I am really curious if you guys can point out if there's any reason I have missed in this article.

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Community Building
on June 12, 2020
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    These are fantastic tips! Sometimes it's okay to simply pull-the-plug on your community building efforts. A lot of businesses try to force a community where a community doesn't actually provide value to the customer. People assume community building is always a worthwhile investment (in time and resources) because it helps move people from brand-aware to brand-ambassadors, but I'm not so sure that's the case for many business models.

    I just read an article by DigitalMarketer this morning recommending you ask yourself 6 questions before trying to build a community:

    1. Is a community a good value-add to your offer?
    2. Would your customers benefit from talking to each other?
    3. Could you use your community to answer the same questions at scale?
    4. Is your community a good place to host events?
    5. Would your customers want to learn about new products and services in the community?
    6. Does a community foster a relationship between you and your customers?
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      Wow man I love the article. I read it through.

      I think these 6 questions are some good values of having a community for your product. The examples in the articles are the ones that are very optimum. It simply shows how to get the best value out of your community I think.

      IMO every product can build their communities. they will have most of the points from these 6 values(questions, but I think they are values of the community) listed. And by the virtul of building a community around your product, you will form a strong feedback loop to improve your product.

      I would love to hear more if I missed anything here. Love ur reply man!

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    Great article, these tips come in handy now that I want to form a community. Thank you for your contribution buddy.

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      glad its helpful! what kinda community are you forming? would love to know more about ur project and maybe I can help u out one or two

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        I build a community in Twist where we can discuss ideas and experiments to implement on our sites or businesses.
        For example, the tips you gave above can be turned into experiments and interested people can test it and share their results 😀.

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          interesting, whats ur community? u got a landing page?

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    Great post - some of the intimacy and engagement that lacks in the initial steps of the community - that's kind of like inviting people to a dance and waiting for someone to start. You gotta be the one taking the risks, being vulnerable, and hope a few people join you.

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      early-stage community-building problem. hard to be fixed if the group has already grown.
      It's an engine, u gotta spark it.

      well said, r u building any communities?

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    Great post and analysis! 🙌

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      hey thx man, u had a lot of good posts as well man. Love to read them

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    Thanks, excellent post with great learnings on community building

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      glad it helps, are u working on any project lately?

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        Hi yes, I have just launched a bare-bones MVP for a crowd sourced neighborhood review platform - www.livin-in.com .

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          Lit. Just checked it out. How r u gonna build a community around that

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            Thanks that was a really basic MVP.

            Thinking about using the usually suspects Discord, newsletters to manage the community.

            I am thinking about some neighborhood specific content to grow the community.

            Please advise if you have any suggestions?

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              I think u will run into a lot of problems with discord later. But u won't know it before u tried it.

              If u gonna use discord and newsletters together, I think it will be a big decentralization, bc the audiences are so different.

              Find the right platform is important.

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                Thanks so much will definately bear it in mind

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                  I think ur project is interesting. I would love to chat about it man. Maybe i can help out one or two

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    Very good points. I think it is also worth building your community with a 'theme' or 'objective' in mind. That way folks can easily identify the value add.

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      Yes, a community needs a vision and mission!

      This will be the 9th point lol, you just reminded me. Thank you so much.

      People need to understand the purpose of the community clearly.

      Are you building any community?

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      hey no problem man, are u working on a community lately?

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        Yes i am working on a community just started a while ago, still on the ground.

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          what kind of community is it? I might be able to help u out.

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            Its called Piptwitz.com , you can check it out

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              i checked it out, what country is it?

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                  interesting, I think it's pretty cool. I cannot really understand it. It's mostly in another language. Can you tell me a bit about what it does?

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                    Okay so basically its a community based on people who are interested it trading the financial markets specifically the Forex market. Connecting non-experienced traders with experienced traders.

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    I love this post a lot and shared it on LinkedIn because it's clear that it comes from authentic experience. Thank you for putting this together.

    (Also, #1 kinda made my day b/c it's what my product aims to solve :D )

    I've been in a few communities failed due to #6. I do think, especially in the beginning, a community's culture is shaped by the leader, and it retains people who resonate with the leader. From there, clear community influencers emerge and that's when the community has taken root in its members lives.

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      Hey thx for sharing it man!

      What is your product? do u have a landing page?

      All these 8 reasons are super common. For #6 I am just giving out courses to community builders who are using pubb.at as their community platform. I also create a community for builders to support each other on that.

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        Nice! I just got on the pubb.at waitlist :) You already have beta users for it?

        I'm soft-launching xapnik.com in the next couple of weeks.

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          Oh shit man I love ur app! wanna dive right in man. it's a neat idea!I just subscribed, I wanna use it lol.

          Yes, we have beta users building their communities on pubb.at. I picked out all my customers so I don't have a problem with engagement so far.

          You just remind me of another point. which is pick the right early adopters.

          We should talk man if you are interested.

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            Yeah, I'd love to connect! I'll reach out on email :-)

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    Some great reminders about delivering a direct message and building a great community here @kanglelin. Are you testing any tools you think might solve these problems the best?

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      I haven't really figure out how to solve the second type of decentralization, but for other problems. It depends on your community. Some community that only allows 5 people and never go beyond that, Imessage can even be effective.

      But if a community that's aiming to grow its audiences with a good culture. I think pubb.at is pretty good. It solves most of the problems. And the team is still working on more problems to make it more suitable for community building.

      And using video chats like zoom and boost up ur intimacy a lot

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