“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks” (Qur’an 47:4).
“Reading stabbings: Man arrested after three feared dead in Forbury Gardens attack – latest news,” by Mike Wright, Steve Bird and Jack Hardy, Telegraph, June 20, 2020:
Police have arrested a man at the scene of stabbings in Reading in which three people are feared dead and two are in critical care in hospital.
The Telegraph understands the incident is being treated as terror-related.
A source told the Telegraph there were three individuals declared dead at the scene and two transferred to the emergency department of Royal Berkshire Hospital, where they are receiving resuscitation.
Thames Valley Police said: “A number of people sustained injuries and were taken to hospital. A police cordon is in place in Forbury Gardens as officers investigate. We are asking the public to avoid the area at this time.”
Eye-witness accounts on social media have reported paramedics and police tending to wounded people in the park.
PA: Suspect is Libyan
A security source has told the Press Association that the man who has been arrested is Libyan.
‘He stabbed people in the neck’
An eyewitness has described how the attacker stabbed people in the neck and set upon a group of 10 people.
Lawrence Wort, 20, a personal trainer from Chippenham, told the Press Association: “So the park was pretty full, a lot of people sat around drinking with friends when one lone person walked through, suddenly shouted some unintelligible words and went around a large group of around 10, trying to stab them.
“He stabbed three of them, severely in the neck, and under the arms, and then turned and started running towards me, and we turned and started running.
“When he realised that he couldn’t catch us, he tried to stab another group sat down, he got one person in the back of the neck and then when he realised everyone was starting to run, he ran out the park.”
Undaunted says
Run. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Time for the world to man up and shoot down these motherfuckers as soon as they raise their weapons. When these jihadi assholes manifest, it’s not time to run but time to acquire your target and take up the slack on your trigger.
Wellington says
Agreed, undaunted. When the good fear the bad more than the bad fear the good this is invariably a sign of civilizational collapse.
As an aside, I guess we won’t hear any calls for “knife control.” Nope, that ain’t gonna’ happen.
Harry Again says
Next thing we’ll hear is that he was “mentally ill”.
Nothing to do with Islam.
You watch.
Coralyn Bowd says
Like the little girl almost decapitated in the park…another gimmegrant and we are tols she has mental health problems..same excuse every time!
Eva Golding says
Standard operating procedure for the bastards who are selling us out, isn’t it?
Seeking Deliverance says
This is already occurring in both news within the U.K. and United States/Canada. News is reporting it as a stabbing attack and refusing to mention the jihadi’s name let alone his religion. Mark my words, the West’s love affair with Islam is coming to an end.
gravenimage says
Undaunted, I was heartened to see brave bystanders acting in this Jihad terror attack:
“Workmen and a driver for takeaway service Deliveroo pinned the assailant, said to be of Asian descent, to the ground before police attended the scene…”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/06/uk-muslim-stabs-rabbi-in-hate-crime-cops-say-its-not-terror-related
mgoldberg says
asian descent….. uh huh
Harry Again says
Brit gov speak for Pakistani/Bangladeshi.
They’ll decide he was “mentally ill”, nothing to do with islam. You watch.
gravenimage says
Graham, Muslims have been doing this sort of thing for over 1400 years now.
Phil Copson says
“….man up and shoot down these ————- as soon as they raise their weapons. When these jihadi ——– manifest, it’s not time to run but time to acquire your target and take up the slack on your trigger….”
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Give it a rest with the foul-mouthed fantasising – since when would a bunch of people sitting in a park in England be carrying guns ? (Though it is disappointing that none of them seem to have attempted to tackle him, chuck stuff at him, protect others etc.)
Undaunted says
Um … yeah, PC. I’ll bet you don’t know what it means to take up the slack on a trigger.
gravenimage says
Phil, Undaunted knows his stuff. This is not fantasising on his part.
Undaunted says
Thanks, GI.
PC, I find that gentlemen like you who can’t stand to read or hear a word written or spoken in “anger” are generally incapable of much more than leaving vacuous comments.
The Truth says
PC, Who the hell are you to tell others how to express their views on the matter? Currently accepted reactions were not always so. They usually started as foul-mouthed fantasising, eg good ideas expressed by someone. Good on you Undaunted, We need to be working on it. .
gravenimage says
While I agree with Undaunted’s point here, the idea that Phil Copson has no right to express his opinion is mistaken. People here can discuss how best to oppose Jihad terror–including what may be realistically possible under current circumstances.
The Truth says
Gravenimage, nobody has said PC has no right express his opinion on the matter, but let others express theirs, even if it may not be accepted by today’s laws over there at the moment.. Letting one have his say on the issue without stifling his vision may actually put a good idea into another’s mind. Where my parents were from they do exactly as undaunted wishes because the law permits it. Like you said regarding undaunted ,”This is not fantasising on his part.”
R Russell says
I Guess, Phil, you do not know that the UK has disarmed all of the law abiding citizens. We cannot own guns and even some air guns are illegal.
So there is nothing we can do to defend ourselves unless we buy a knife – solely for cutting our vegetables of course.
The criminals don’t seen to have problems getting guns – just the law abiding people.
Savvy Kafir says
R Russell — If I were you, I would be buying some of the guns that are still legal in Britain, such as pump-action shotguns and bolt-action hunting rifles. Not that will allow you to defend yourself against a jihadi in a public place (since they have to be kept locked up at home), but in case things get so bad that British patriots are forced to resort to violent revolution to wrest control of your country from a totalitarian government; or in case civil war breaks out. Both scenarios seem quite possible at this point. And those shotguns and rifles might not be available in the future. Those who say that an armed citizenry waging guerrilla warfare against a modern army or police state have never fought in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, or Vietnam.
Anne Proctor says
Someone did rugby tackle him to the ground before the police arrived, I believe.
gravenimage says
Yes–a very good thing.
Pamela Hayward says
We had our guns taken off us years ago here in the UK. Not allowed pepper sprays, teasers, knives or anything else to defend ourselves hence why we end up running or picking up random objects ie fire extinguishers, narwhal horns (London Bridge attack) to keep attackers at bay.
Dave Rackamamutterer (@GlandInMyHand) says
The tide needs to turn lass.
Undaunted says
Move.
gravenimage says
Pamela, it might also be time for patriotic Britons to protest having been disarmed.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! Being disarmed by your government in a country swarming with violent, infidel-hating savages is a recipe for disaster. I just wonder how bad it will have to get before the British public realizes this and demands the right to own and carry handguns.
Savvy Kafir says
Pamela, it is insane just how thoroughly British citizens have been disarmed — even to the point of pepper spray and stun guns being outlawed. And I’ve encountered PC Brits online who believe it would be just crazy to allow people to own pepper spray — so thoroughly have they been indoctrinated.
However, there are small-but-effective folding knives specifically designed to be UK-legal. And a “tactical pen” can be more effective than bare hands. Small “tactical lights” with a blinding strobe function could be very useful in defending against a knife attack. Somewhat larger “tactical lights” can also be used as impact weapons; but I would avoid the really “weapon-y”-looking ones in the UK. All of these things are legal to carry in Britain, and can be ordered from Amazon.
keith O says
That works, except that the public is unarmed in the UK. The only ones that carry weapons are the criminals, not even the police.
Crusader 666 says
Needless to say, the dhimmi BBC has made no mention of the murderer’s place of origin, or religion.
Jake2169 says
Oh, they have Crusader 666, but as of a few minutes ago they say that they don’t know if the attack was terror motivated. Same old same. The perpetrator will once again be suffering a mental illness as is the usual excuse our Dhimmi government insist on stating.
Chistopher Watson says
When a man comes towards you with a knife shouting Allua Akbar he is not wishing you a happy birthday! He will, doubtless, be declared insane. When will our leaders get some courage? They are putting all normal citizens in danger. We used to have a crime called ‘treason’. The sentence was death by shooting. These attacks are treason.
Susan Webster says
Well said – couldn’t agree more – we cannot continue to tolerate the intolerable!
Joss says
I wonder just what the “unintelligible” words were that he shouted?
Jayell says
The UK media are quickly insisting that ‘this incident was not terror-related’ even before the thought crossed anyone’s mind. (So if they’re so quick to say that, it means that it IS terror-related). They are also insisting that it wasn’t related to the Black Lives Matter demo that happened earler – or so said the BLM organiser, a certain Nieema Hassan. (Now, that looks a bit like a North African muslim name to me). Ms Hassan also insisted that all the BLM protesters had left the park by the time of the attack. really? Was she checking? Or is this yet more gratuitous lies from the MSM/BLM? Another fact that the MSM are hysterically covering up is that all three murder victims and injured were ‘white’ English people. BY the way, if the likes of Ms Hassan is muslim (seems highly likely) how does one justify that connection considering that muslims have always been – and continue to be -responsible for the enslavement not only of millions of black africans but very large numbers of Europeans from around the Mediterranean, Ireland and England?
This attack has absolutely appalled the UK, which comes after the disgusting scenes over two weekends in London and Bristol. The so-called ‘far right’ (really ‘Middle-England’) backlash is now well under way and it’s going to be very difficult to stop it at this point without unsustainable Stasi tactics, largely because it’s impossible to cover this one up, the BLM’s political and islam connections are now general public knowledge, and all spurious pro-BLM and pro-islam propaganda lines have already been already been used to excess to the point of looking predictable and ridiculous. There’s only one way forward now, and that’s downwards.
By the way, off topic. There’s a leaked Ofsted report about appalling muslim activities in Birmingham schools. It’s a cover-up that’s gone wrong, and is now available on line as ‘Leaked Inspectors report: UK schools discriminate against non-muslims’. I’ve got it printed out here..
Jake2169 says
I agree with all you have written Jayell. But we have a serious problem with Muslim lobbyists and Labour controlled areas that are heavily Muslim and the only concern appears to be how many votes will be lost if they begin to combat what is going on in these areas. Reports are systematically shelved and then “forgotten” about, which ensures that no action ever takes place. On top of the fear of being described as “racist or of being an Islamophobic” our politicians seem to want to force the multicultural agenda down our throats, no matter how many young girls are raped and abused and killed. The politicians will never admit that their vision of a multicultural paradise has become a dismal failure. They still haven’t got the message from “Allah, Mohammed, and his fanatical followers” that Muslims will never accept other religions and most certainly will never accept democracy.
Rufolino says
Britain needs to “man-up”. Certainly. The threat is upon us.
But when most of the media and the authorities refuse to make the connection to Islam and jihad, it doesn’t exactly help.
william carr says
Update three confirmed dead
gravenimage says
Awful–thank you for that update, William.
DP111 says
Attack them in the neck.
The man follows the letter of his law.
Michael Copeland says
“doing exactly what this book says” –
Lt-Col Allen West
Eva Golding says
Sadly, in the uk, only criminals are allowed guns…the rest of us have to take our chances.
Eva Golding says
Sadly, in the uk only criminals are allowed guns…the rest of us have to take our chances.
Simo Hayha says
“….. man up and shoot down these motherfuckers …..”
Couldn’t agree more. But…..The Brits, in their obviously superior intellect, will NOT ever say anything negative about the hundreds of thousands of “New British Citizens” AND, the lily-livered, pompous, sashaying leaders in Parliament have DISARMED all the LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS, allowing the murderous criminals to go about doing their evil deeds. Here, in the good old US of A, we haven’t YET been stripped of OUR firearms, and more than 20 million are licensed to carry concealed firearms. WE WILL “shoot the MFR’s” as soon as they start up.
terry sullivan says
koran–“smite them in the neck”
Eur says
Rop strikes again.
Ban salafism,ban islam.
gravenimage says
UK: Muslim stabs random people in the neck, three feared dead, two more in critical condition, “terror-related”
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How common is *this* now? One cannot even be shocked by these stories any more.
nacazo says
“a lot of people sat around drinking with friends”
Obviously such haram things as driking can’t be allowed in any proper muslim country such as Great Britainistan.
/sarc off
gravenimage says
All too true, nacazo.
tim gallagher says
I agree, gravenimage, it is sickening how often these murderous attacks, always by Muslims, happen. But, of course, for any people who know the vile content of Islam, the attacks are no surprise at all. I agree with Wellington’s comment (just down below) that letting Muslims into our non-Muslim countries is shaping up as the dumbest decision of all time. I suppose that, back when our countries first started letting Muslims in, most people didn’t know much at all about islam, but I believe almost everyone should have woken up by now. How dumb it is to keep on letting Muslim into our countries. I’m sickened by these neverending murderous Muslim attacks, which are committed by barbaric scum who shouldn’t have ever been let into our countries.
gravenimage says
Everyone *should* have woken up by now, Tim–but a lot of this is not just ignorance, but willful ignorance.
tim gallagher says
I agree, gravenimage. It is pathetic watching so many people refusing to face up to the problem, which is what people need to do to begin to force our wishy washy politicians to introduce the tough policies our countries need. There have been so many of these murderous attacks by now and yet we never seem to get any really tough action taken ( such as shutting the door on more Muslim migration, which would be the best action our governments could take). Maybe slackness has taken over and most people just prefer to have a peaceful life and ignore the Muslim problem for as long as possible.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Tim. Most people I know just don’t want to think about it.
Michael Copeland says
Muslim roulette, courtesy of a wilfully blind political establishment, and perhaps some petrodollars.
Eva Golding says
No perhaps about it.
Wellington says
The allowed entrance of millions of Muslims into the West over the past several decades is shaping up more and more as one of the dumbest, if not the dumbest, actions in all of Western history. Islam should always be looked upon as a Western destroyer.
Islam and Western Civilization are incompatible. So is modern Leftism and Western Civilization. No way to reconcile Islam and Leftism with the best of the West—and there is no best to Islam and Leftism, so I would advise people not bothering even going there. Rot can at times successfully present itself as non-rot but underneath it is always rot. Like Islam and Leftism.
guenter says
it is sick rightwing demagoguel bullshit, to put leftism and Islam together. both ideologies are far different, and therefore leftwingers have always been the islamists first victims, as in Iran 1979. but if we compare rightwing and islamic views, than in many Points -espec. about woman or lgbt-people- we can clearly see how identical both Fascist dictatorial ideologies do argue. Fundamentalist christians who murder doctors who did abortion, could as well be muslims, and the governing hindu-fundamentalists in india do also murder muslims (ometimes hacked alive in the streets) or rape muslim Girls (leading bjp-politicians involved), but this site here does only Report it when muslims do so, while the Long history of religious clashes in india is far more complex than muslims against Hindus. for example, when one sikh did murder Indira ghandhi in the 19-80s, than Hindus (which in jihad watch always and only appear as victims) did also murder several sikhs. just do set the Facts straight. and i as a leftwinger do publish against the Islam since 1979, and so do this Groups “marxists against islamisation”, and the worldwide “councils of ex-muslims” had been created by the iranian left. -u have no clue and u dont give a damn, right? its much easier to live with prejudice and a serious lack of knowledge, right?
Wellington says
guenter:
First of all, try writing instead of ranting. Better grammar and breaking your writing into paragraphs would also help.
Second, conservatism from fifty years ago is essentially the conservatism of today. Not much has changed. But the liberalism of old has morphed into leftism, which is the newest totalitarian ideology and is an enemy of freedom much as Islam, Nazism and Marxism are. No one knows this better than old fashion liberals like Alan Dershowitz who have expressed great dismay at what has happened to liberalism. Here, you are also clueless.
Third, as for fundamentalist Christians murdering abortion doctors, how many such murderers? Two? Three? Four? Meanwhile, just since 9/11 there have been over 37,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide. Your moral equivalency thinking is both replete with error and stupidity. Oh, for the record, I am not religious at all.
Fourth, getting back to my second point, it is leftism, call it modern liberalism if you like, which has shut down freedom where it is most in charge—in the educational institutions across America. How many left-wingers are shouted down or prevented to speak from those on the right? Somewhere between none and none. And yet those on the right are regularly shouted down or prevented from speaking by leftists, including Robert Spencer himself.
Fifth, during the recent rioting and protests, it was virtually without exception people on the left who engaged in property damage, harmed or killed cops, etc. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are two extreme left-wing thug groups that hate America, hate the West, hate capitalism, hate cops, have lied about Israel, etc.
Sixth, I deplore the Far Right as much as I do the Far Left. Both extinguish liberty and do other terrible things. But the Far Right has been marginalized and is a minor threat. The Far Left is huge in numbers (e.g., how many Far Right professors are on college campuses as opposed to Far Left professors?) and one of the three greatest threats to freedom in all the world, the other two being Islam and your standard, traditional secular authoritarianism as can be found in nations like China and Russia.
Seventh, grow up.
gravenimage says
+1
Politicallyincorrectistruth says
Great reply…also the fact that leftist feminists would rather walk down a street in a protest with muslim apologists/extremists than walk down a street in protest about women in islam treated like second class citizens. Honour killings, acid attacks and widespread paedophilia…..and FGM .
RichardL says
As always, dear Wellington, exceedingly well written
guenter says
Wellington, to reply all ur slander would need a book to write. i dont have that time now so i choose only 2 Points: a) if u blame Groups as BLM and others for violence than u simply ignore the daily violence from the other side: every year 1.000 innocent/unarmed (and mostly black) men have been killed by US-cops. so the People have enough reason to get outraged (floyd was only the tip of the iceberg) and this is understandable. and if u mention attacks on rightwing speakers: leaving aside, that this also happens often enough from the rightwing against leftwing speakers, i disagree with such attacks. but the always mentioned example of the “antifa” -a group of anarchist hooligans who have nothing to do with the historical antifascists- is highly infiltrated from provocateurs of the police and the secret services. in germany during demonstrations we often enough watched their complete interaction with the police. when i once tried to stop 2 guys from throwing stones, they turned out to be policeman who threatened me. b) u say that nazism and marxism is the same, what once again is a a demagoguel slander from persons who intend to whitewash nazism. it was the leftwing who did sit in the concentration camps and the only ones who fought the nazis.— who liberated France, italy,greece, jugoslawia and other nazi-occupied countries from the nazi-troops? the communist dominated partisan Groups. everybody there knows this. if in italy in the 19-70s, u had said that leftwing and rightwing, nazis and marxists are the same, than even in the eyes of the very conservative Christian democrats of that time (who even thougt about a coalition with the italian CP, who was very strong then) u would had made a laughing stock out of urself. but its senseless to hold Facts against Persons who are driven by irrational hate.
James Lincoln says
Great post, Wellington!
Wellington says
guenter: I’ll address your two points.
Point one: Yes, per the Washington Post (a very liberal publication btw) policemen across America kill about 1,000 people a year. But considering that America has a population of some 320,000,000, 1,000 police killings a year are really not all that much. Moreover, in the VAST majority of these killings the police are not at fault. The person deserved to die—let’s face it there are some pretty bad dudes out there and Americans (and illegals) have access to guns here in America more than any other country on earth, though I would note that 99%+ of those who own guns use them responsibly, for hunting, target practice and self-defense. Also, and this is from the FBI, a policeman is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a young black male than the other way around. Did you know this? Black males, as Candace Owens (herself black) and many others have noted, make up about 5-6% of the American population and yet account for some 45% of the murders, usually against fellow blacks. Did you know this?
As for BLM, it is a racist, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-capitalist, anti-police organization and is beholden through and through to Marxism, one of the worst ideologies ever created by man. The three co-founders of BLM are Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi and they are all self-described Marxists. They don’t hide this at all. And Marxism is a totalitarian ideology as is Nazism and Islam and a prescription for genocide due to Marx’s pernicious class struggle theory and his theory of alienation. Other Marxist theories like dialectical materialism, the labor value theory and determinism (which last one I like to call voodoo for intellectuals) are utter nonsense and insure horrible economic results. As George Orwell said, some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals could come up with them. Karl Marx could be Exhibit #1 here.
Point two: Nazism and Marxism are indeed very much alike, though the former is Far Right (and until 1934 also had Far Left aspects to it too) and the latter Far Left. Both destroy liberty. Both create a political police. Both are awful all around. As for your ludicrous claim that only leftwingers fougnt the Nazis, America, Britain and many others fought the Nazis and were not leftwing. Your historical ignorance is stunning, but then your overall cognitive capacity you have revealed in your posts is deficient many times over. Done here for now.
guenter says
wellington, as there is no more reply button below ur last reply, i must put my answer again below ur first posting.
when i said that only the leftwing fought the nazis, i obviously meant this for inside Germany, and for europe. the USA joined at the end; the russian army was here earlier and opened the concentration camps. thats why on may 8, 1945 their red flag waved over Berlin.—
u try to put the murderers and their victims on the same criminal level; this is again nazi-whitewashing from Coward far rightwingers or nazis who Claim to be liberal conservatives.
the BLM Group i dont consider as Marxist; These pettybourgeois are sponsored by soros &co. and billionaires are never marxists/communists; the rightwing simply Labels anyone so who isnt rightwing . if -exceptionally- some of them whom u Label so, as some BLM-activists does Label themselves so, dont Change that.. if u only had understood a Little about marxism, it was clear to you that for them the class question was more important than the race question, and that they will be Aware that also poor Whites wont necessarily be treaten better by Police than blacks. but, btw, i didnt talk about 1.000 criminals shot each year (this are more), but about 1.000 innocent ones shot each year. a significant difference.
well, i could easyly refute anything u said, but as i dont have this time and also are in a lifedangerous health condition -as mentioned before- i wiil rest my case here. u have shown ur 100% incapacity to discuss without prejudice, along the Facts and without arrogance against other opinions. u Label karl Marx as a stupid -a man who teached economy at London University- : if i where to challenge you to write a book to refute him, we probably had to wait 1.000 years i guess. i read those “famous” ones from ur direction who tried so -for example, karl popper- and they only made a laughing stock out of themselves.
P.S.: i usually dont make grammar mistakes (and if i did- so what? english is not my mother tongue. are u perfect in german?) but in a hurry i write anything in small letters. the pc does automatically mix some tall letters in betwen then.
Wellington says
guenter: In addition to your other idiocies, you contradict yourself. In your 7:03 A.M. post of today you stated that the leftwing were the only ones who liberated France, Italy, Greece, etc. Now you state that you meant the leftwing were the only ones who fought the Nazis in Germany. So, which is it? And what of many other Germans, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who fought the Nazis? Were they all leftist?
And the US “joined at the end?” The US fought in Europe, starting with Operation Torch in North Africa, followed by Operation Husky in Sicily, followed by Operation Bay Water in the Italian peninsula and followed by Operation Overlord in France. And you call this the US only joining at the end? Your ignorance is astounding and is compounded by the fact that the main force against the Japanese in the Pacific Theater was led by the Americans. We are talking years here and you, ignorantly and in full unappreciative manner, assert that the US only entered WWII at the end? This is not just evidence of “mere” ignorance; it is evidence of someone with an agenda who treats facts as optional.
And I gave you direct proof respecting how Marxist BLM is. Its own three founders in 2013—Garza, Cullors and Tometi—have described themselves as Marxist, directly and unambiguously so, and yet you deny BLM is Marxist. BLM is a stupid, racist, disgusting, scapegoating organization and you are utterly clueless of this as you are of so much else.
Well, I could go on but why waste any more time with someone as ignorant as you are. Get lost. You’re a waste of space. You know nothing.
guenter says
Wellington, to ur bad luck anyone can see that i wrote that only the leftwing fought the nazis in Germany AND europe. Learn reading! and with americans “being late” i meant that the russians had been earlier and already had freed the prisonesr till the americans came. that was not miunderstandable, except for an idiot. i know german history, but the historical knowledge of americans is often less than nothing.—
-Also I had explained the difference between Marxist viewpoints and those of BLM and that it doesnt matter how they see themselves- but u didnt understand. also, its nothing bad to be Marxist- only in ur Fascist nazi-eyes.(Einstein was a communist- u dont know, right?)
and its extremely shameles, to use the word rascism the-other-way-around: u live in an Country which was always extreme rascist. its not so Long ago when any lynchmob could hang innocent blacks at the willow trees. (“tsrange fruit”-billie Holiday). it was in the 60s when even reverend MLK, the preacher of love, was assasinated by the CIA, as so many other black Speakers. and even White students had been murdered by the Police, when they simply tried in the south to help blacks to get registered as voters. u better talk to eyewitnesses of that time or read their documents. and now u Claim that those who fight rascism (as BLM) are the rascists- then in fact u Claim that the White majority is victim of rascit discrimination by the black minority! your hateful thinking is very seriously sick. yes, get lost, fascist
Wellington says
guenter:
Martin Luther King was assassinated by the CIA per your 7:08 P.M. post of today, June 21st?
OK, I will no longer respond to you. And your accusing me of being a fascist, fascism being a totalitarian ideology which I detest, only demonstrates all the more how you know nothing about me.
But then, you know very little about anything. I strongly suspect you are destined to live out your pathetic life in complete ignorance. And I don’t care.
No more with you. You’re not worth it, not in the least. What a sad-ass, stunningly ignorant human being you are.
gravenimage says
guenter wrote:
Wellington, to reply all ur (sic) slander would need a book to write. i (sic) dont (sic) have that time now so i (sic) choose only 2 Points: a) if u (sic) blame Groups as BLM and others for violence than u (sic) simply ignore the daily violence from the other side: every year 1.000 innocent/unarmed (and mostly black) men have been killed by US-cops.
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Well, this is just witless calumny. For one thing, far more whites than Blacks are shot by police, and almost as many Hispanics as Blacks. So the claim that it is mostly Black men who are shot by police is just ridiculous.
Moreover, the claim that all of these perps were unarmed is ludicrous.
And the idea that Marxism is not totalitarian is absurd, as is the idea that it was just the Soviets and Communist fringe groups that defeated the Nazis. I guess guenter hopes we ignore the Allies.
Then, note that guenter will not say how Wellington supposedly slandered him. Very telling.
gravenimage says
Lots more from guenter:
when i (sic) said that only the leftwing fought the nazis (sic), i (sic) obviously meant this for inside Germany, and for europe (sic).
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Well, this is simply absurd. The Fascists never would have been defeated without the Americans and British, who were *anything* but Marxists.
More:
if u only had understood a Little about marxism, it was clear to you that for them the class question was more important than the race question, and that they will be Aware that also poor Whites wont necessarily be treaten better by Police than blacks. but, btw, i didnt talk about 1.000 criminals shot each year (this are more), but about 1.000 innocent ones shot each year. a significant difference.
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Communism and Fascism are both totalitarian creeds. The differences between them are far less than the similarities.
Then, there are fewer than 1000 people killed by police annually in the United States to begin with, so the idea that there are a 1000 who are a subset of this makes no sense at all.
More:
u (sic) Label (sic) karl (sic) Marx as a stupid -a man who teached (sic) economy at London University-
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This is bizarre. Marx worked as a journalist in London, and was partly funded by Engels (ironically, from his father’s earnings as a Capitalist). He did not teach economics at a London university–he did not teach at all.
Then, there is no such institution as “London University”.
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P.S.: i (sic) usually dont (sic) make grammar mistakes (and if i (sic) did- so what? english (sic) is not my mother tongue. are u (sic) perfect in german (sic)?) but in a hurry i (sic) write anything in small letters. the pc does automatically mix some tall letters in betwen (sic) then (sic).
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Actually, this text is rife with both spelling and grammatical errors. His English may be about as good as my own German, though. Goodness knows, errata is the *least* of the problems with guenter’s comments here.
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Wellington, to ur (sic) bad luck anyone can see that i wrote that only the leftwing fought the nazis (sic) in Germany AND europe (sic). Learn reading!
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Well, this is just ridiculous. The Americans and British did indeed fight both in Europe and in Germany itself. That is, indeed, why there were British and American Zones.
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and with americans (sic) “being late” i meant that the russians (sic) had been earlier and already had freed the prisonesr (sic) till the americans (sic) came. that was not miunderstandable (sic), except for an idiot. i (sic) know german (sic) history, but the historical knowledge of americans (sic) is often less than nothing.—
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Where to start? The Russians did indeed liberate Majdanek and Auschwitz (both in occupied Poland, not Germany proper), but Buchenwald, Dachau, and Mauthausen were liberated by the Americans, and Bergen-Belsen by the British. Ravensbrück in Germany proper was liberated by the Soviets, but it was *not* the first camp to be liberated there. So, lots of errors here.
And the idea that Wellington is ignorant of history is laughable–he taught history and law at the university level for many years.
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-Also I had explained the difference between Marxist viewpoints and those of BLM and that it doesnt (sic) matter how they see themselves- but u (sic) didnt (sic) understand. also, its nothing bad to be Marxist- only in ur (sic) Fascist nazi-eyes (sci).(Einstein was a communist- u (sic) dont (sic) know, right?)
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Well, this is just grotesque. The idea that one must be a Fascist if one condemns the bloody horror of Stalinism is simply sickening. Apparently guenter doesn’t grasp that one can be opposed to *both* Communism *and* Fascism–and for much the same reasons.
As for Einstein, he did indeed identify as a Socialist late in life–but he was never a member of the Communist Party. Calling him a Communist makes little sense.
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and its extremely shameles (sic), to use the word rascism (sic) the-other-way-around
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The idea that racism can only be a problem of white people is ridiculous–anyone can be racist.
And the implication that Wellington’s noting this means that he himself is racist is calumny. And one could as easily castigate guenter for the racist and genocidal history of his own nation–save that civilized people consider others as individuals, something that guenter seems incapable of doing.
Then, the idea that Martin Luther King was killed by the CIA is a ludicrous conspiracy theory.
Here’s something that is notable: this is a story about a Jihad terrorist attack, yet guenter in all his verbiage has said *nothing* critical of this attack, or any other Jihad terror attack in his entire posting history here.
He would rather rant about America’s supposed failings for not being a Communist hell hole than condemn Jihad terror. How telling *is this*?
guenter says
i laughed my ass off about the latest Posts of Wellington and gravenimage. claiming to be a teacher (g. about w.) and then
-not even kknowing all the published proofs of the CIA-assasination of MLK,
-about their assasination of j.f.kennedy and arresting a wrong one
-about all the panther-leaders they shot in sleep and so on,
is hillarious.
also not knowing the photos of Einstein with hammer&sickle, his pamphlets about socialism/communism, his praise of Lenin, how in every election in Weimar republic he called to vote for the KPD (CP)
is more hillarius, cause u could have simply googeld that.
also, that Marx teached at the University in London.
and, gravenimage.
in France the SP, the CP, 2 trotskyte parties (=antistalinist communists) and the one u mentioned (melenchon) are the 5 parties in parliament which supported the bans. the Greens i didnt Count as leftwing. cause leftwing means, to be anticapitalist. the green Party is not, is pettybourgeois.
so its even more plain stupid that u Claim, Iran couldnt be a capitalist Country, because Islamist! so who holds the power then? the working class? there are also private factrory owners, and some Mullahs also are. since when cant a Mullah own something as a fabric cant be a capitalist?
and about the book u found: no, i didnt wrote it. it was written by this collective “marxists against Islamisation”, what is also the book title. i said that they did just begin and are not big yet.
all the rest of u are badly tricks in twisting any word around which i said.
for example, i never said u threatened me. i wrote, its dangerous for my heartcondition to write here (means, if i get to excited about ur bullshit. no child could have missunderstood.)
its more ridicouless that u doubt my anti-islamic work, saying why i write then with u about USA, socialism and other stuff. in the past months, i supported several Posts in jihad watch with my comments and likes. if u never noticed that, is not my prob and dont give u the right to call me a liar (even indirectly). one look at my Profile, and u had seen that till last night this jw-posting here about this attack in UK was on top of my postings in my fb-account. (today i made a few more p.) i was badly attacked from an muslim, who came back with fake profiles after i blocked his real one. it didnt work out to block them all- dont know why some didnt appear in the fb-list when giving in the Name u wanna block. so, for the first time since iam there, i changed the policies that only connected friends can comment.
so all what u wrongly blame me for, u could have figured out in a few minutes that i said right. but u dont give a damn cause u Need People to Project ur irrational hate onto.
last Point: “Well, this is just grotesque. The idea that one must be a Fascist if one condemns the bloody horror of Stalinism is simply sickening. Apparently guenter doesn’t grasp that one can be opposed to *both* Communism *and* Fascism–and for much the same reasons.”
we didnt talk about Stalin at all, u liar. i called w. Fascist for other reasons, mainly for claiming that the black minority in US discriminates the White majority. u wrote somewhere, also non-Whites can be rascist. yes, but here i obviously talked about 13,8% blacks who cant hardly terrorise 86,2% nonblacks. but the other-way-around, yes. i gave many historical examples. u or w. didnt had a isngle word of shame for this Long brute rascist history. that alone tells all about the two of u and all of ur Kind. same as this Indian pissed off when i reminded him on the hindu-masacree on sikhs after Indira ghandhis assasination.
but about Stalin: here u cant match me at all, cause as an Journalist who also saw the ex-secret documents of the cremlin (ex-secret Service) i simply know their history better than you. and yes, Stalin was also a hitler. but he was no communist. in opposite, he slaughtered all the real communists. he didnt murder capitalists, rightwingers, fascists, all who disagreed with communism, as the bourgeois history does write the Story. since the 19-30s till Stalins death, any imprisoning or death-penalty cause of “anti-soviet activities” had been coupled with the blame (=crime) to be a counterrev. “luxemburgist”, “trotskyte” or however Stalin labelled those marxists who sticked to the original ideals- and payed for it with their lives. antisovietism from rightwing or bourgeois-democratic positions, as we connect them with the names of solchenizyn or Sacharow, did first appear in the 19-70s. they have not been shot as Stalins communist critics.—
lately found documents -which gorbatchews govtm presented to Internat. journalists for the first time-showed clearly, that Stalin once joined the bolshewics as an Agent of the tsarist Regime. that explains a lot. now Google a bit or go to the old archives of various mags in USA or europe, and u will find out, that even in 1942 (or43), so years fater the monstrous showtrails 36/37, Stalin was voted “man of the year”! and during the time of the showtrials, all the “democratic” (means: bourgeois) media around the world, assured their Readers, that anything with this Trials and their wrong blames was absolutey democratic and correct! they said so, cause OPPOSITE TO YOU DUMBS HERE they understood, that Stalin masacreed the Avantgarde of the worldrev., and not the anticommunists! (b4 u again Twist my words around: saying so does not mean, that i had agrreed with a masacree of the others. also, iam in generally against deathpenalty- u probably not?). anyway: only AFTER 1956, after chrustchew had exposed stalin´s crimes (so, the CP itself!) the western media hooked on Stalin=hitler, left=right and all this what u learned. But Stalin -who removed many progressive laws of the early soviets, and, for example, re-installed the old tzarist laws against abortion, against gays, and against female emacipation. and his thoughts have been most similar to the rightwing; not rev. at all. He was YOUR MAN (a rightwinger); not ours (no leftwinger).
and one more: it was capitalism who did brought the nazis into power, to destroy the tstrong socialist/communist workers movement of this time. the word “socilaist” was added years after they had been founded in 1922, as a trick to fool the workers, as they assured the capitalists in internal documents, which u can Google. (if u understand german, i post 1 of this doc. in german here). it had been all the leading german AND american capitalists who financed hitler´s Party since their small beginnings till they reached power. one of their biggest Financiers was HENRY FORD, who also distributed the antisemitic falsification “protocols of Zion” around the USA. also this documents u can Google. what say?
all this proofen Facts make a laughing stock out of all this rightwing theories about “rightwing=leftwing” or, that the nazis had been leftwing. this is all historical falsification and revisionism to whitewash the nazis and to hide a new Generation to acknowledge, that its capitalist “Democracy” who does always install fascism to beat down the socialist movements- as they not only did in Germany, but also in italy, spain, Portugal, Chile and more countries. espec. in spain after franco, also after Pinochet in Chile, it was clearly to see, how it not only had been the same classes, but often the same persons, who first installed fascism, and later “shifted” (=played)to Democracy. it are capitalism (bourgeois “Democracy”) and fascism which are not like fire and water and can be installed or deleted as the capitalist class Needs it.
gravenimage says
Yet more from guenter:
i (sic) laughed my ass off about the latest Posts of Wellington and gravenimage. claiming to be a teacher (g. about w.) and then
-not even kknowing (sic) all the published proofs of the CIA-assasination (sic) of MLK,
-about their assasination (sic) of j.f.kennedy (sic) and arresting a wrong one
-about all the panther-leaders they shot in sleep and so on,
is hillarious (sic).
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Where to start? Yes, Wellington has taught history and law at the university level for decades.
The idea that there are “published proofs” that the CIA assassinated Martin Luther King is ludicrous. I think the term guenter was looking for is “unhinged conspiracy theories”. And the same goes with the ludicrous idea that the CIA assassinated the 35th president.
As for Black Panther Fred Hampton–who I assume guenter is referring to here–the raid and shooting was carried out by the Chicago Police Department. One can argue about whether this shooting was justified or not, but it was *not* carried out by the CIA.
It seems guenter got pretty much everything here wrong–no surprise.
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also (sic) not knowing the photos of Einstein with hammer&sickle, his pamphlets about socialism/communism, his praise of Lenin, how in every election in Weimar republic he called to vote for the KPD (CP)
is more hillarius (sic), cause u (sic) could have simply googeld (sic) that.
also, that Marx teached (sic) at the University in London.
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Yes, Einstein foolishly praised Lenin. Einstein was a great man, but that does not mean that one has to agree with him on all points.
Then, I have not seen pictures of Einstein posing with a hammer and sickle, nor can I find any such thing on-line. Citations?
I would ask the same thing about Marx supposedly teaching at the “University in London” (as though there was only one!).
As for his voting record, Einstein was one of the founding members of the German Democratic Party in 1918–this was a Liberal party, *not* a Communist one.
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and, gravenimage.
in France the SP, the CP, 2 trotskyte (sic) parties (=antistalinist communists) and the one u mentioned (melenchon (sic)) are the 5 parties in parliament which supported the bans. the Greens i (sic) didnt (sic) Count as leftwing. cause leftwing means, to be anticapitalist. the green Party is not, is pettybourgeois (sic).
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That geunter doesn’t consider the Greens to be leftwing shows just how unhinged he is.
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so (sic) its even more plain stupid that u (sic) Claim (sic), Iran couldnt (sic) be a capitalist Country, because Islamist! so who holds the power then? the working class? there are also private factrory (sic) owners, and some Mullahs also are. since when cant (sic) a Mullah own something as a fabric cant (sic) be a capitalist?
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That guenter considers Shari’ah to be “capitalist” is more proof of how deranged guneter is.
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and (sic) about the book u (sic) found: no, i (sic) didnt (sic) wrote (sic) it. it was written by this collective “marxists against Islamisation”, what is also the book title. i (sic) said that they did just begin and are not big yet.
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Probably written by a couple of guenter’s buddies. In any case, this is hardly some sort of widespread stance against Jihad on the left.
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gravenimage says
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all (sic) the rest of u (sic) are badly tricks in twisting any word around which i (sic) said.
for example, i (sic) never said u (sic) threatened me. i (sic) wrote, its dangerous for my heartcondition to write here (means, if i get to excited about ur bullshit. no child could have missunderstood (sic).)
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How is pointing out guenter’s claptrap “badly tricks”?
And if guenter is in such a condition that it is dangerous for him to respond to such civilized persons as Wellington and myself, then how will he actually face down Jihadists? Oh, wait…he isn’t.
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its (sic) more ridicouless (sic) that u (sic) doubt my anti-islamic work, saying why i (sic) write then with u (sic) about USA, socialism and other stuff. in the past months, i (sic) supported several Posts in jihad watch with my comments and likes. if u (sic) never noticed that, is not my prob and dont (sic) give u (sic) the right to call me a liar (even indirectly).
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I said I had no reason to doubt guenter’s claims that he has written against Jihad–but he certainly has not linked to any such thing. As for his claims that he has posted at Jihad Watch prior to that on this thread, there is no indication that he has done so, unless it was under another username.
I can find nothing but his seven posts on this thread.
Then, the idea that he has “liked” posts or stories here is very odd, since Jihad Watch has no mechanism for this.
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one (sic) look at my Profile, and u (sic) had seen that till last night this jw-posting here about this attack in UK was on top of my postings in my fb-account. (today i made a few more p.)
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Of course, I have no access to guenter’s Facebook page, and he has not linked to it. His claims here may be the case, but how would we know?
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i (sic) was badly attacked from an (sic) muslim (sic), who came back with fake profiles after i (sic) blocked his real one. it (sic) didnt (sic) work out to block them all- dont (sic) know why some didnt (sic) appear in the fb-list when giving in the Name (sic) u (sic) wanna block. so (sic), for the first time since iam (sic) there, i (sic) changed the policies that only connected friends can comment.
so (sic) all what u (sic) wrongly blame me for, u (sic) could have figured out in a few minutes that i (sic) said right. but (sic) u (sic) dont (sic) give a damn cause u (sic) Need (sic) People (sic) to Project (sic) ur (sic) irrational hate onto.
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Well, this is just a bizarre statement, since–as I noted–I have no idea what is or is not on guenter’s Facebook page, or even if he has one. Why wouldn’t he supply a link?
And I don’t hate guenter–I’m just pointing out his claptrap here. Crazed Marxists are not all that common here, but they have certainly turned up before, and are always tedious and off-topic.
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last (sic) Point: “Well, this is just grotesque. The idea that one must be a Fascist if one condemns the bloody horror of Stalinism is simply sickening. Apparently guenter doesn’t grasp that one can be opposed to *both* Communism *and* Fascism–and for much the same reasons.”
we (sic) didnt (sic) talk about Stalin at all, u (sic) liar. i (sic) called w. Fascist for other reasons, mainly for claiming that the black minority in US discriminates the White (sic) majority.
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Wellington, of course, never said that a minority discriminated against the majority here–he just noted that non-Whites can also be racist, which is pretty obvious.
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du (sic) wrote somewhere, also non-Whites can be rascist (sic). yes (sic), but here i (sic) obviously talked about 13,8% blacks who cant hardly terrorise 86,2% nonblacks. but the other-way-around, yes.
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Actually, given the high crime rate, this is actually very common.
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i (sic) gave many historical examples. u (sic) or w. didnt (sic) had a isngle (sic) word of shame for this Long brute rascist (sic) history. that (sic) alone tells all about the two of u (sic) and all of ur (sic) Kind (sic). same (sic) as this Indian pissed off when i (sic) reminded him on the hindu-masacree on sikhs after Indira ghandhis assasination.
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Actually, I have spoken out against racism hundreds of times here at Jihad Watch. But the demand that I be personally shamed by this history is something I reject. I do not believe in collective guilt–I would no more demand that guenter express personal shame over the Fascist history of Germany.
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but (sic) about Stalin: here u cant match me at all, cause as an Journalist who also saw the ex-secret documents of the cremlin (ex-secret Service) i simply know their history better than you. and yes, Stalin was also a hitler. but he was no communist. in opposite, he slaughtered all the real communists. he didnt murder capitalists, rightwingers, fascists, all who disagreed with communism, as the bourgeois history does write the Story. since the 19-30s till Stalins death, any imprisoning or death-penalty cause of “anti-soviet activities” had been coupled with the blame (=crime) to be a counterrev. “luxemburgist”, “trotskyte” or however Stalin labelled those marxists who sticked to the original ideals- and payed for it with their lives. antisovietism from rightwing or bourgeois-democratic positions, as we connect them with the names of solchenizyn or Sacharow, did first appear in the 19-70s. they have not been shot as Stalins communist critics.—…He was YOUR MAN (a rightwinger); not ours (no leftwinger).
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Well, this is just ludicrous–I suppose that Mao and Pol Pot weren’t Communists either. You hear this tripe a lot from Communists–that all of the horrors of Communism don’t count, because no one has ever implemented Communism anywhere. Just absurd.
As is the claim that all the victims of Stalin were actually Communist–including, I suppose, the middle-class victims of the Holodomor in the Ukraine. Just risible.
And the ugliness in the Soviet Union, while it got worse with Stalin, hardly began with him.
Then, the idea that I am “rightwinger” for supporting women’s rights, gay rights and freedom of expression is very strange. But I suppose that such things would be considered “Fascist” by guenter.
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and (sic) one more: it was capitalism (sic) who did brought the nazis (sic) into power, to destroy the tstrong (sic) socialist/communist workers movement of this time. the word “socilaist” was added years after they had been founded in 1922, as a trick to fool the workers, as they assured the capitalists in internal documents, which u (sic) can Google. (if u (sic) understand german (sic), i (sic) post 1 of this doc. in german (sic) here). it had been all the leading german (sic) AND american (sic) capitalists who financed hitler´s (sic) Party since their small beginnings till they reached power. one of their biggest Financiers was HENRY FORD, who also distributed the antisemitic falsification “protocols of Zion” around the USA. also this documents u (sic) can Google. what say?
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The idea that it was capitalism that created the Nazis is bizarre. The Nazis were not capitalist–they could seize the businesses of anyone who ran afoul of their repulsive creed. The claim that this was free trade could not be more grotesque.
Henry Ford did indeed support Fascism, to his great shame. But the claim that all leading American capitalists supported Hitler is *quite* false.
As for guenter linking to some German document, this simply is not true. guenter has not included any links in any of his posts. Is this just technical ineptitude on his part, or does he just realize that he’s got nothing to back up his ridiculous assertions?
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all (sic) this proofen (sic) Facts (sic) make a laughing stock out of all this rightwing theories about “rightwing=leftwing” or, that the nazis (sic) had been leftwing.
this is all historical falsification and revisionism to whitewash the nazis (sic) and to hide a new Generation to acknowledge, that its capitalist “Democracy” who does always install fascism to beat down the socialist movements- as they not only did in Germany, but also in italy (sic), spain (sic), Portugal, Chile and more countries. espec. in spain (sic) after franco (sic), also after Pinochet in Chile, it was clearly to see, how it not only had been the same classes, but often the same persons, who first installed fascism, and later “shifted” (=played)to Democracy. it are capitalism (bourgeois “Democracy”) and fascism which are not like fire and water and can be installed or deleted as the capitalist class Needs it.
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I never said that Fascism is leftwing–what is guenter babbling about?
And no–Democracy is not Fascism. How grotesque. Franco’s Spain was not a democracy.
I think the main point here is that guenter is clearly not here as an Anti-Jihadist–in fact, with his streams of verbiage about everything *but* the issue of Jihad, it is quite clear that his purpose here is to distract from any opposing of Islam.
So unless he says something that calls for a response, I am probably through with replying to him.
guenter says
to gravenimages “reply” on june 22: just another document which Shows his lack of knowledge/understanding and his intended “misunderstandings”, a professional in falsification and twisting around what was really said. in short only:
he referred to Einstein from 1918, me to the later Einstein who always called to vote for the CP. his pamphlets about socialism i have in german; dont know if they are available in USA. his photo with hammer&sickle was several times posted in Facebook.
in General: why shall i waste precious time in Setting links? u only Need to Google a bit to find out urself. maybe i post them later on my account, which, btw is full of anti-islamic postings. moreover, he Claims that the Facebook account of jihad watch has no like-function(!!!) what once again Shows him as mad. and also on the latest jw-postings u can find my comments.
but more: to funny, to Claim that Iran was not capitalist!!! then what else? socialist? there are only this 2 possibilities; nothing in-between. ignoring that Mullahs can be capitalist, makes again a laughing stock out of you.and is very friendly towards the Mullahs.
Also, its no lame excuse AFTERWARDS (as he tries to isuggest), to say that USSR was not socialist. not only Stalins anticommunist massmurder of communists does proof that. he murdered exactly that leftwing Opposition of the Party, who said this since 1922, and not since their final failure in 1991. also Lenin wrote in 1923 selfcritical, some months b4 his dead: “comrades, what we did build up yet was no socialism. it is statecapitalism”. gravenimage dont know all this, but if he did he would hide it, cause it speaks against his Propaganda.
also, i said twice that the book marxists against Islamisation” is only a small beginning. but more and more anti-ilamic Statements are also grwoing inside the german leftwing Linkspartei; Sarah Wagenknecht, their most wellknown figure, does since Long oppose this “open boarders for all” very vocal in public. also her husband Lafontaine, the wellknown ex-leader of SPD.
and i didnt mean fred Hampton only,s everal panthers they shot in sleep. of course he dont know this.
the ONLY Point where he was right: yes i had it wrong in my Memory, that Marx teached at London University. he tried to, but they didnt accept, cause of his politics. if g. was so democratic as he does Claim, he should oppose that some p. get no Jobs cause of their political opinion. at least Marx was a doctor of philosophy! and he lived mainly from his publications. when he had to write years on his big fat books “das capital”, his friend engels offered to overtake his living costs. so what? whats wrong with that? the way as g. -or maybe it was his friend Wellington- did describe this, did Sound as he was a lazy one who simply lived from his friends Money. this are their intended wrong interpretations.
and also i didnt write, that fascism and Democracy are exactly the same. i said that they are just different forms of capitalist power/dictatorship which can be changed as to the capitalists wish, and so that they are not like fire and water. i proofed that capitalism did lead to fascism. of course gravenimage must remain ignorant in his fanatism. same as he had to ignore all what the ex-secret documents of USSR did proof. HE COULD NOT REFUTE ME ANYTHING and he is simply a hardcore-ignorant of all facts, which dont fit into his selfmade frame, where he cant look outside his box.—-and no, the nazis did not in General take capitalists property away. only the jewish ones! which they called the gready capital; the german capital they called the good one all our leading capitalists after WW2 did build up their Imperiums with the prisoners out of the concentration camps! but he tries to deny that nazism was THE dictatorship of capitalism and nothing anticapitalist/socialist. he did of course notGoogle the documents where the nazis ensured the capitalists in internal letters that their “socialism” was a fake. and someone who does teach history -as g. said about Wellington- should know all this, or he is a liar for the rightwings falsification of history.
to sum it up: while g. denies my antiislamic work, which is so easy to proof (i changed my Profile cause of islamic attacks that only friends can comment, but it shall still be visible for all. if not, let me know, i have some technical Errors in PC) its exactly the-other-way-around: the rightwing dominated anti-islamic sites (i checked many) do use the anti-islamism only as a pretext for daily leftwing-bashing. otherwise -if they would be more serious- they should agree that islamism can only be stopped if all from different political directions who are against Islamisation, shall work together. but None of this sites does want that; in their sick irrational hate against leftwingers -and usually even against liberals- they only wanna be with their own crowd, what is easy to proof. they know, that the votes for rightwing parties does mainly base on their anti-islamic work. thats why they must Claim to be the only ones who do so, and leftwingers which are active against islamism dont fit into their given Picture. thats why they must ignore it or slander persons like me.
and, gravenimage, u can save ur “sics” when writing with someone of another mothertongue; or write me ur Statements in german and i will correct them (i said so b4, but u cant stick to any Argument).
gravenimage says
Wie ich dachte, nur mehr über den Kommunismus plappern.
guenter says
good that gravenimage at
Jun 23, 2020 at 8:49 pm
confessed to have totally runned out of arguments
I expected nothing else
gravenimage says
After guenter asked that I reply to him in German, I wrote:
Wie ich dachte, nur mehr über den Kommunismus plappern.
Translation:
As I thought, just more babbling about Communism.
His claim here:
good that gravenimage at
Jun 23, 2020 at 8:49 pm
confessed to have totally runned (sic) out of arguments
I expected nothing else
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This is obviously completely false. I suppose he is hoping that no one else here can read German.
Actually, I could cogently argue with the unhinged guenter until the cows come home, but what would be the point?
Clearly, even when called on it, it is obvious that guenter is *not* an Anti-Jihadist. All of his mendacious nattering about the supposed joys of Communism are just sand-throwing here intended to distract from the issue of Jihad.
guenter says
LOL. In his reply a few hrs ago, gravenimage obviuosly didnt catch the sense of an irony: why I simply replied to all the remarks he did, he claimed for the Readers that i only “blabbered” about communism, what was NOT the case. In THIS sense he confessed that he finally runned out of arguments. cause anytime he had None, he changed the subject or indeed “blabbered” something beside the Point- about or against something which hasnt been said.. so, no arguments, just (hallow) rhetoric.-
And as this dirty liar again Claims that Iam not antijihad: to bad that he isnt in my Country or otherwise i could take him to court for the slander.
I had already challenged him to see all the anti-islamic postings in my Profil. he said he couldnt find it. so obviously he dont read jihad watch (their Facebook-postings) daily, or otherwise he had seen my comments there often enough, with my full Name, and simply had to click on it.(he even claimed that there was no function to give likes!).
so while i publish against Islam since 1979, the rightwing in europe just discovered this within the great refugee-wave in 2015. so when he wrongly blamed me now with intend to turn off (with this discussion) from the jihad subject, than this is a cheap retour, cause i already proofed that the rightwing does use anti-ilamism only as a pretext for daily leftwing bashing. but they are not seriously interested to collect all anti-islamic orientated persons from different political directions for fighting the Islam together. they only wanna be with their own crowd. Because their hate against other opinions is to strong to be overcomed, and their own political viewpoints about various subjects are Close to islamic viewpoints. this i showed with many examples. and we can see it on many comments below the jw-postings in fb where People often “argue” about Islam with Labels as “demons” and “devils”- so, only putting their own religious fundamentalism against the other. thats it.
gravenimage says
guenter wrote, among reams of other verbiage:
And as this dirty liar again Claims that Iam (sic) not antijihad: to bad that he isnt (sic) in my Country or otherwise i (sic) could take him to court for the slander.
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guenter has written almost nothing about Jihad here–just rambling on about Communism and smearing good Anti-Jihadists at Jihad Watch.
If he really has written anything critical about Jihad, he has not bothered to post it here.
Then–a minor point–I am not a “he”, but a “she”.
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I had already challenged him to see all the anti-islamic postings in my Profil (sic). he (sic) said he couldnt (sic) find it. so (sic) obviously he dont (sic) read jihad watch (their Facebook-postings) daily, or otherwise he had seen my comments there often enough, with my full Name, and simply had to click on it.(he even claimed that there was no function to give likes!).
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I noted that there is no mechanism to post “likes” at Jihad Watch, which is entirely accurate.
I checked the Jihad Watch facebook page, all the way back to March 28:
https://www.facebook.com/robertspencerJW/posts/d41d8cd9/509569235901922/
There is no one named guenter, or any variation of this name, who has posted there during this time.
If he is using an entirely different name, I would have no way of knowing this, and he will not say.
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so while i publish against Islam since 1979, the rightwing in europe just discovered this within the great refugee-wave in 2015.
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Well, this is bizarre on a number of levels. I have been studying Islam since right after 9/11, and discovered Jihad Watch in 2006, and have been posting here ever since. The idea that concern over Jihad just dates to 2015 is *very strange*. Jihad Watch itself was founded in 2003.
Then, he does not say how my concerns for women’s rights, gay rights, freedom of expression, and the rights of the individual are “rightwing”.
How is *any* of this “Close to islamic viewpoints”? Of course, guenter will not say.
Note, also, that he considers saying anything negative about Islam to be nothing but “religious fundamentalism” against “the other”. *Very disturbing*.
guenter says
ouch. this gravenimage -whatever gender- really seems to be a psychiatric case who only wanna have the last word..lets go through her delusional ramblings:
guenter has written almost nothing about Jihad here–just rambling on about Communism and smearing good Anti-Jihadists at Jihad Watch.
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i repeat: i only replied the Points YOU made. for example, u didnt know what Einstein was about politically.
If he really has written anything critical about Jihad, he has not bothered to post it here.
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i repeat, the comment section of the jihad watch Facebook acount is full with my comments; always in Agreement when its about jihadism, a few critical comments when its about leftwing bashing.
Then–a minor point–I am not a “he”, but a “she”.
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I had already challenged him to see all the anti-islamic postings in my Profil (sic). he (sic) said he couldnt (sic) find it. so (sic) obviously he dont (sic) read jihad watch (their Facebook-postings) daily, or otherwise he had seen my comments there often enough, with my full Name, and simply had to click on it.(he even claimed that there was no function to give likes!).
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I noted that there is no mechanism to post “likes” at Jihad Watch, which is entirely accurate.
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hahaha
as in any other Facebook-account, also below the jw-postings there, likes can be given. maybe she Needs glasses.
I checked the Jihad Watch facebook page, all the way back to March 28:
https://www.facebook.com/robertspencerJW/posts/d41d8cd9/509569235901922/
There is no one named guenter, or any variation of this name, who has posted there during this time.
If he is using an entirely different name, I would have no way of knowing this, and he will not say.
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we are writing here on the back of one fb-jw posting, u idiot. one click back and u are in this jw-section of fb (they have more than one!) where i used to comment. also today, also the last days.
if u are to stupid to find my Profile then, its not my prob. also, the whole net is full of my postings. and thousands of People who know me personally, know this. also those who read my books and also those who read me in big mags in the past. thats why ur slander has no Chance in public. perhaps i shall really let figure u out by the Police and take u to court.
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so while i publish against Islam since 1979, the rightwing in europe just discovered this within the great refugee-wave in 2015.
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Well, this is bizarre on a number of levels. I have been studying Islam since right after 9/11, and discovered Jihad Watch in 2006, and have been posting here ever since. The idea that concern over Jihad just dates to 2015 is *very strange*. Jihad Watch itself was founded in 2003.
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obviously i did not talk about u personallyhere, but said that the rightwing IN EUROPE only hooked on the theme since 2015. CAN U READ?
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Then, he does not say how my concerns for women’s rights, gay rights, freedom of expression, and the rights of the individual are “rightwing”.
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leaving aside that i cant know if u really do that or only Claim so, u know very well the real reasons why i consider u as rightwing. almost all People i saw yet writing in jw, are this way. and things as lgbt-rights is usally leftwing stuff and under hard attack from the rightwing. and, btw, the 1st govtm in the world which removed all laws against lgbt-people was the russian one after the rev. in 1917.
How is *any* of this “Close to islamic viewpoints”? Of course, guenter will not say.
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in General, rightwing viewpoints are very Close to the islamic ones. if u differ here in only 1 Point, doesnt cut it. in Germany we had a number of rightwing gay Ministers now. they earn, what the decade Long leftwing fight for equal rights did sew. at the time of this fight, their parties did the Police let beat the demonstrators up and Arrest them. or do u wanna say that the conservatives or the republicans did lead the stonewall Rebellion in USA?
Note, also, that he considers saying anything negative about Islam to be nothing but “religious fundamentalism” against “the other”. *Very disturbing*.
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not anybody and anything, falsificater. obviously i wrote, that i noticed very often in the comment section of jw, how many People argued with the Islam only from their own religious Fundamentalist Point of view. as u dont seem to read the same jw section, u might not have noticed that. or perhaps u must go back to School and learnreading. cause from now on i wont have the time to repeat anything so often (with more explainations to every clearly written sentence), until also you do understand it.
better consider your psychologist.
guenter says
P.S.: OH I JUST FOUND OUT WHAT TRICKY LIE GRAVENIMAGE DID USE FOR THE READERS THAT SHE CAN CLAIM NOT TO FIND ME ON JIHAD WATCH: THE LINK SHE GAVE DOES NOT LEAD TO THE SITE WITH THE HEADLINE “JIHAD WATCH” BUT TO A SITE NAMED “ROBERT SPENCER”- perhaps his personal one. tthen there is his facebook account “jihad watch” -where iam on- and another one, jihad watch europe. do we have an old Lady here, who is a bit confused?
gravenimage says
Where to start? Firstly, there are stories at Jihad Watch all the time on the issue of Islam targeting Gay victims all the time. To imply this is not so is just bizarre. There are scores of such stories, here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/homosexuals
Then, I can find nothing about guenter here, either:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jihad-Watch/107883119232341
If he is supposedly all over some other Jihad Watch site, why won’t he just link to it?
And ranting in ALL CAPS and aggressively slandering other posters is a good way to get banned here.
Note, also, in guenter’s latest posts: *still* not anything critical of Jihad or Shari’ah–not even about the terrible story above. I think this says it all.
guenter says
LOL, this woman gravenimage is Unable to find JIHADWATCH.ORG -now she gave the link to an empty site , which does jihad watch only mention as an local Business.!more stupid than the Police allows or more dirty tricks with full Intention?
i think, dirty tricks with full Intention, cause again she argues against something i didnt said. i had requested HER lgbt-work, not that jw does correctly attak the Islam for Repression and deathpenalty against lgbt. but as i also pointed out b4, the rightwing which does dominate such sites is also extreme hostile against lgbt-people; so, with hypocritical doublemoral. she had no answer for this.
and, gravenimage, if slandering persons get banned here, then u should already be banned since Long.
so here i include a discussion from my Profile, where i was muslim-attacked for having overtaken the jw-posting about the terror-attack in UK (as I often have postings from jw and similar sites.) The SIMILARITY between the islamic discussion style and those of gravenimage, Wellington and all rightwingers is OBVIOUSLY and S T R I K I N G : the same hallow rhetoric, the same ignorance about Points already made and refuted, while also twisting words around and arguing against things which had NOTbeen said. the ONLY difference: at the same time(!) when this Indian muslim blamed me for being a rascist muslim hater, 3 hindutwa-clowns in jw blamed me for being a muslim´s fake-profile, while gravenimage -who till now was to stupid to find my postings- blamed me for being pro-jihad. SEEMS that Facebook brings together the insane ones from all diretions, who unite against the few honest People here.
(and, gravenimage, Wellington &several others: opposite to me u are all to COWARD to stand here with ur real Name. only in anonymity u all risk the big mouth.) but here is 1 discussion from my Profile about the mention jw-posting:
This post is a racist too.A person stabbed 10 people that’s it. That should be the news. What is the wrong with his ideology or religion? So it is. Posting this kind of manipulated news make you a racist too. And I have to say, indeed, your opinion on Islam and about Muslims are very poor, and not very deep. Certainly, You hate a community this is a clear fact now. Thus, it makes you a fascist too. Bad people are everywhere, in every community, but you are generalising that on a particular community.
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Günter: ahman rahman: the person which u call a fascist -me- did antirascist and socialist work since a half century, rescued a muslims life, did build up a german-turkish friendship club, introduced oriental literature here and many more thinks like this. shame on you. this post is not rascist, cause this allahu-akbar shouters DO kill in the name of their religion, so it has anything to do with it, and this happens daily in my country and in europe. since millions of muslim are here, the rate of murder, rape and others crimes did increase dramatically. so it is ur knowledge which is very poor. better read the quoran again: he does order from all believers the longtime cheating and killing of all nonbelievers. the islam is indeed THE fascist religion of the world. if u believe in it (what is incomparible with leftism), then u must of course slander me. this has no chance in public, cause thousands of people do know me personally and my political and journalist work. hundreds of thousands in the past did read my antirascist and socialist articles. watch out that i dont take u to court for ur slander, what could become very costly.
Naseh Saeidi Aman Rahman It is the Islamists who are racist and criminal, they never understand the meaning of humanity.
Günter: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks” (Qur’an 47:4)– its to ridiculous if muslims does always claim that all this terrorattacks have nothing to do with their religion. the terror comes out of the heart of the islam; muhammad gave all this advice for murder and terror in the quran.
Aman Rahman: Günter, Congratulations for your doing the good deeds. Later I certainly said, your opinion and thoughts regarding Islam and Muslims are very poor and not deep, indeed. I can’t argue with the person who represent the verse of Qur’an without the context. And so it is, because you wanted to hear that news, your hateful thoughts on muslims is in your blood like nazis did with the jews. Kudos for your good deeds as a social activist and other, but it can’t be denied that you HATE Muslims as a whole.
I must say once more, your knowledge on islam is one-sided, indeed.
Aman Rahman: Günter And one more thing I have to say, that your every post day by day, I read them very carefully, your post on my group also. And that’s why it makes me upset, I knew you who makes good POST, but this is so miserable.
Generally, I do not argue with everybody on everything! But if you want me to clear my opinion regarding this post or if you want to counter me with your “Questions” on Islam then you’re invited to the inbox. Believe me, it will be the Discussion not Argument!!
Günter: Aman Rahman u know that comparing me with nazis against jews (dna) is again a punishable slander by law. and like several muslims u use the wellknown trick to label EVERY quote to be taken out of context. my knowledge of quoran and islam is deep, i even did public speeches about the iranian sufi-poets. and i have experiences with thousands of people through my life (iam 64) and there was indeed no single muslim except 1 who was not a horible experience of lying, cheating and violence,(one even tried to rape me- in an helpless situation after cardiac arrest!!!). including their nonbelievers, so called secular or socialist ones. even the mentality of those who didnt believe the quran was the same than of all the others. never experienced that with any other races, nations, religions that people did all think and act so similar. and about rascism: muslims are the biggest ones, cause they cant accept any non-muslim and must fight them all. and i remember, how often i heard muslims making rascist remarks against black people. till today, some muslim countries have black slaves. the arabic slave trade was even longer and even more brute than the american one. so its only you here who dont know many things. u are simply bigmouthed- also this is most typical.—— i have worked with worldwide famous figures of antirascism -for example, the worldwide famous novelist james baldwin, beside his friend martin luther king the main spokesperson of the US-civilrights movement, was a friend of mine. seems that all this persons of highly intelligence and prestige didnt see through me, how rascist and fascist iam -thats why neonazis stabbed me with knifes, i guess- and only YOU did figure that out now- finally. TOUCHE for you! Ask ur psychiatrist what price u get for this and get lost. i have no time to waste.
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Aman Rahman Your big personal IMAGE can’t define your mentality, the DARK side of your mentality against muslim. Actually, on this particular matter, there is no difference between RSS and Your comment. Both are hardcore hateful and antipathetic to the muslims. In order to say the fact, a SATISFACTION works behind all these things. And talking about Quran, if you could really observed the verses, then never can talk to like this. The way you represent the verses is partial. You admit or not. I already wasted a lot of time talking to you.
Günter Meisinger Aman Rahman u dont have a single argument against all subjects i brought up. may it be muslim slave trade or whatever. facts who does count- not ur islam-interpretation. and theories. ur people are hateful and antiphatetic against anyone else. and many realise that these days. hard times for slanderers. byebye!
Naseh Saeidi Aman Rahman You are a child, Mr. Günter respects you because you are a child…Of course, a dangerous Islamic child.
Stefan Edel Günter, Du musst Dich nun wirklich nicht von einem Islamisten als Nazi verleumden lassen. Wir wissen ja nun alle, wo Du wirklich stehst. Blockiere diesen Clown doch einfach.
Günter: one more funny thing: while i was muslim attacked here and compared to RSS, at the same time the real rss-clones in jihad watch claimed that i must be a fake-profile of some muslim- just because i said that hindiuwa also murdered muslims. so, all the insane ones from any direction unite against a truth speaking person.
Aman Rahman. Günter Now, you are being a narcissist. A truth speaking person don’t afraid to confront any comment. Be a real truth speaking person.
Günter Meisinger Aman Rahman if the narcissism wasnt all yours, u wouldnt have returned with an 2nd profile, after being blocked. to ur bad luck everybody can see that i replied all ur “arguments” while u never did with mine. now ur ego cant accept that i refuse to talk to slanderers. get real.
gravenimage says
guenter wrote:
LOL, this woman gravenimage is Unable to find JIHADWATCH.ORG -now she gave the link to an empty site , which does jihad watch only mention as an local Business.!more stupid than the Police allows or more dirty tricks with full Intention?
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*This* site we are on now is jihadwatch.org. guenter has only posted on this one thread, and he has little to say against Jihad.
If he has something else in mind, he should, as I have said umpteen times now, just link to it.
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i think, dirty tricks with full Intention, cause again she argues against something i didnt (sic) said. i (sic) had requested HER lgbt-work, not that jw does correctly attak (sic) the Islam for Repression and deathpenalty against lgbt.
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I have numerous posts in defense of Gay people on Jihad Watch, including here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/06/tortured-jailed-egytian-gay-rights-activist-who-sought-refuge-in-canada-commits-suicide
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/jeff-goldblum-slammed-as-anti-muslim-for-asking-if-islam-is-anti-homosexuality-and-anti-woman
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/indonesia-police-wont-bring-murder-charges-in-case-of-transgender-woman-burned-to-death
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/02/uk-muslim-uber-driver-plotted-to-drive-into-evil-gay-pride-parade-and-kill-non-muslims
There are scores more threads.
Here are just a couple of specific posts:
gravenimage says
Apr 26, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Jeff Goldblum slammed as “anti-Muslim” for asking if Islam is “anti-homosexuality and anti-woman”
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Now just *asking* these questions is “anti-Muslim”?
Never mind that pious Muslims would throw drag queen Jackie Cox off the nearest tall building, star-spangled Hijab or no…
Good for Jeff Goldblum for speaking out!
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gravenimage says
Apr 12, 2020 at 12:39 am
Indonesia: Police won’t bring murder charges in case of transgender woman burned to death
Police said on Wednesday they believed the suspects who set the fire had not burned her intentionally…
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The *poor victim*.. What a miscarriage of justice–as though the perps accidentally doused her with petrol, and then accidentally lit a match.
Obvious where the sympathies of the police lie–with the vicious murderers. So much for Indonesia being a “moderate” Muslim country…
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I can provide plenty of proof for my claims, unlike guenter.
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but as i also pointed out b4 (sic), the rightwing which does dominate such sites is also extreme (sic) hostile against lgbt-people; so, with hypocritical doublemoral. she had no answer for this.
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How is opposing the oppression of Gay people “rightwing”?
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and, gravenimage, if slandering persons get banned here, then u (sic) should already be banned since Long (sic).
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What have I said that is untrue here? guenter cannot cite anything at all.
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so (sic) here i include a discussion from my Profile, where i was muslim-attacked for having overtaken the jw-posting about the terror-attack in UK (as I often have postings from jw and similar sites.) The SIMILARITY between the islamic discussion style and those of gravenimage, Wellington and all rightwingers is OBVIOUSLY and S T R I K I N G : the same hallow (sic) rhetoric, the same ignorance about Points already made and refuted, while also twisting words around and arguing against things which had NOTbeen said. the ONLY difference: at the same time(!) when this Indian muslim blamed me for being a rascist muslim hater, 3 hindutwa-clowns in jw blamed me for being a muslim´s fake-profile, while gravenimage -who till now was to stupid to find my postings- blamed me for being pro-jihad.
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I never said that guenter was pro-Jihad–I said that he has said little here that is Anti-Jihad, and it is the same with the post I am replying to here.
And if guenter is going to keep babbling about his Profile, he should just link to it. I have no idea what is or is not on his profile if he does not provide a link.
Perhaps he doesn’t know how to post a link? When he is on the page, he can hit ctrl-L, then ctrl-C. When he is posting here, all he need do is hit ctrl-V to post the link.
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SEEMS that Facebook brings together the insane ones from all diretions (sic), who unite against the few honest People here.
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This is *not* Facebook–it is Jihad Watch. Does guenter not know what site he is on?
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(and, gravenimage, Wellington &several others: opposite to me u (sic) are all to COWARD (sic) to stand here with ur (sic) real Name. only in anonymity u (sic) all risk the big mouth.) but here is 1 discussion from my Profile about the mention jw-posting:
This post is a racist too.A person stabbed 10 people that’s it. That should be the news. What is the wrong with his ideology or religion? So it is. Posting this kind of manipulated news make you a racist too. And I have to say, indeed, your opinion on Islam and about Muslims are very poor, and not very deep. Certainly, You hate a community this is a clear fact now. Thus, it makes you a fascist too. Bad people are everywhere, in every community, but you are generalising that on a particular community.
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In that case, guenter is calling Jihad Watch cofounder Hugh Fitzgerald a coward, since he uses a nom de plume. And I draw Muhammed cartoons–the idea that I have to post under my own name at risk to my life because guenter demands it is just bizarre.
And how does he know that Wellington is not this poster’s real name? It is as likely to be real as “guenter” is.
And what is this quote from? Is this something guenter said, or something that someone said in reply to him? This is very unclear.
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Günter: ahman rahman: the person which u call a fascist -me- did antirascist and socialist work since a half century, rescued a muslims life, did build up a german-turkish friendship club, introduced oriental literature here and many more thinks like this. shame on you. this post is not rascist, cause this allahu-akbar shouters DO kill in the name of their religion, so it has anything to do with it, and this happens daily in my country and in europe. since millions of muslim are here, the rate of murder, rape and others crimes did increase dramatically. so it is ur knowledge which is very poor. better read the quoran again: he does order from all believers the longtime cheating and killing of all nonbelievers. the islam is indeed THE fascist religion of the world. if u believe in it (what is incomparible with leftism), then u must of course slander me. this has no chance in public, cause thousands of people do know me personally and my political and journalist work. hundreds of thousands in the past did read my antirascist and socialist articles. watch out that i dont take u to court for ur slander, what could become very costly.
Naseh Saeidi Aman Rahman It is the Islamists who are racist and criminal, they never understand the meaning of humanity.
Günter: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks” (Qur’an 47:4)– its to ridiculous if muslims does always claim that all this terrorattacks have nothing to do with their religion. the terror comes out of the heart of the islam; muhammad gave all this advice for murder and terror in the quran…
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Is “Günter” the same as “guenter”? If so, these are indeed generally good replies.
Where is this from? Not from Jihad Watch.
Too bad guenter does not say the same sort of things here, instead of nattering on about the glories of Communism and spatting with good Anti-Jihadists here.
gravenimage says
guenter wrote:
it is sick rightwing demagoguel bullshit, to put leftism and Islam together. both ideologies are far different, and therefore leftwingers have always been the islamists first victims, as in Iran 1979.
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guenter, are you unaware that the Communist Tudeh Party in Iran strongly backed the Mullahs? It was only after they consolidated their power that they turned on their leftist allies.
It is not dissimilar today–many leftists are indeed enabling Islam in the West today. Just because, as you note, “Islamists” will turn on leftists does not mean that this is not happening.
I wish it were not so–I am liberal on many issues myself.
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but if we compare rightwing and islamic views, than in many Points -espec. about woman or lgbt-people- we can clearly see how identical both Fascist dictatorial ideologies do argue. Fundamentalist christians who murder doctors who did abortion, could as well be muslims, and the governing hindu-fundamentalists in india do also murder muslims (ometimes hacked alive in the streets) or rape muslim Girls (leading bjp-politicians involved), but this site here does only Report it when muslims do so, while the Long history of religious clashes in india is far more complex than muslims against Hindus. for example, when one sikh did murder Indira ghandhi in the 19-80s, than Hindus (which in jihad watch always and only appear as victims) did also murder several sikhs. just do set the Facts straight.
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This is Jihad Watch–this is the greatest threat we face today. Does that mean that there has never been violence from any other individuals? Of course not. But Muslims are responsible for the greatest amount of violence today, and it is only Islam that sacralizes such violence–Christianity, Hinduism, and Sikhism do not.
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and i as a leftwinger do publish against the Islam since 1979, and so do this Groups “marxists against islamisation”, and the worldwide “councils of ex-muslims” had been created by the iranian left. -u have no clue and u dont give a damn, right? its much easier to live with prejudice and a serious lack of knowledge, right?
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There are some few on the left who do recognize the horrors of Islam, and this is a good thing. (Although with “marxists against islamisation”–which I quite notably was unable to find on-line–this is probably more that they recognize Jihadists as rivals to their own totalitarianism).
In fact, if you really are concerned about this, why don’t you try to educate those on the left about the threat of Islam? That’s what I do. Much better than becoming enraged at others for daring to point out that all too many on the left are indeed enabling Islam.
Wellington says
Excellent reply, gravenimage. Guenter has a lot to learn. Not sure this will happen. Rather doubt it actually.
Michael Copeland says
“The interests of Muslims coincide with the interests of the Socialists in the war against the Crusaders.”
Osama bin Laden
audiotape message, Al Jazeera TV, Reuters 14 February 2003
FYI says
@Micheal Copeland
Thanks for the quote.
So in effect ,the RED-GREEN AXIS{leftist-islamic axis} was actually confirmed by bin laden as something that exists in opposition to ‘the crusaders’ and the West.
But we will be accused of being ‘far-right’ and ‘islamophobic’ by{..surprise,surprise!…} the Leftists and the MSM for showing the obvious connection between islam and the Left, a connection confirmed by bin laden.
guenter says
@gravenimage: same as Wellington u had no reply to the Points i showed (the similarity of rightwing and islamic ideology, but not between islamic and leftwing ideology). about ur idology of totalitarism see my reply to Wellington. thats a most simplistic understanding. the reason why many leftwingers -also in my opinion- make the huge mistake, mainly in Germany, to Support all the “refugees” from islamic countries, is not a similarity of their ideologies, but a) a naivity about the Islam (cause they dont read religious books as the quoran), b) to feel that Germany cause of his nazist past shall nowadays help any “refugee”, and c) they believe that an openly islam- or refugee”-critic would only feed the far rightwing. while i do believe, that -the-other-way-around- the far rightwing will benefit much more if we leave the islamcritic up to them only. so, when i tell u that i publish against the Islam since 1979, how can u blame me that i would do nothing to educate leftwingers about the Islam? thats what i daily try, i even take postings from rightwing sites (as jihad watch) on my account here or into my articles in various daily newspapers and magazines, and i often get attacked for it, just in this Moment a muslim posted a heavy attack on me. so i always have to fight 2 sides, what is even dangerous for me, given my lifedangerous health condition after heavy cardiac Arrest.——————————–
—also, u only mention the worst examples on the left (tudeh Party of Iran, who gave some Support to the Mullahs in the beginning, because they mistook their antiamerican rhetoric for anti-imperialism, while it was a pure capitalist orientated govtm. i had warned them to do so, they didnt listen and later got hanged. but u dont know -or dont mention- that the nowadays workercommunist Party of Iran did build up this worldwide councils of ex-muslims, comitees against death Penalty and more. u really cant compare them with the old stalinists of the tudeh. and what u also could know already, was, that since many years, all the 5 left/far left parties in the French parliament did Support the laws to ban veils, hijab, nigjab and all this (in opposite to their german comrades).
the “marxists against Islamisation” (correct title in german: “marximus gegen islamisierung”) u didnt find when googlin it from USA, cause they are new in Austria and Germany and have no own Website yet. but they posted a gorgeous book with the same title, which u all can see -with many other anti-islamic books- on the Webpage of the Hintergrund Verlag (but if u cant read german this may not help u. )
gravenimage says
Yet more from guenter:
@gravenimage: same as Wellington u had no reply to the Points i showed (the similarity of rightwing and islamic (sic) ideology, but not between islamic (sic) and leftwing ideology).
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Actually, I have answered guenter at exhaustive length here.
Islam has a lot in common with both Communism *and* Fascism–all three are totalitarian creeds that hate freedom.
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about ur (sic) idology (sic) of totalitarism (sic) see my reply to Wellington. thats (sic) a most simplistic understanding.
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The idea that I coined the concept of totalitarianism is of course absurd. It much predates my writing about it here.
And how is opposing the horrors of totalitarianism “simplistic”? It stand against *all* crushing of freedom.
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the reason why many leftwingers -also in my opinion- make the huge mistake, mainly in Germany, to Support all the “refugees” from islamic (sic) countries, is not a similarity of their ideologies, but a) a naivity (sic) about the Islam (cause they dont (sic) read religious books as the quoran(sic),
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This it true as far as it goes–but this mostly applies to naive and well-meaning liberals, not Communists who want to destroy the free West.
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b) to feel that Germany cause of his nazist (sic) past shall nowadays help any “refugee”, and c) they believe that an openly islam (sic)- or refugee”-critic would only feed the far rightwing. while i do believe, that -the-other-way-around- the far rightwing will benefit much more if we leave the islamcritic up to them only.
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This is only true to a point–there are foolish people not just in Germany but also in nations that were neutral during WWII–Sweden and Switzerland; and in nations that were victims of the Nazis–France and Denmark and the Netherlands; and in nations that fought the Nazis, such as Britain. So the idea that it is only those with unearned guilt over a Nazi past who are foolishly backing untrammeled Muslim immigration is much mistaken.
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so (sic), when i tell u (sic) that i (sic) publish against the Islam since 1979, how can u (sic) blame me that i (sic) would do nothing to educate leftwingers about the Islam? thats what i (sic) daily try, i (sic) even take postings from rightwing sites (as jihad watch) on my account here or into my articles in various daily newspapers and magazines, and i (sic) often get attacked for it, just in this Moment a muslim (sic) posted a heavy attack on me. so i (sic) always have to fight 2 sides, what is even dangerous for me, given my lifedangerous health condition after heavy cardiac Arrest.——————————–
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Actually, it is not clear what guenter has published, without any links to go by. So we can only judge by what he has posted here, and this is mostly attacks on the free West and apologia for the Soviet Union–so who knows?
And the idea that Jihad Watch is right wing is absurd. JW posts stories on Muslims attacking women, gay people, and artists. Will guenter say how this is “right wing”? I doubt it.
And the idea that it is dangerous for him to post here at Jihad Watch is simply ludicrous. Neither I nor Wellington nor anyone else here represents a threat to him by disagreeing with his apologia for violent rioting and Communism.
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—also, u (sic) only mention the worst examples on the left (tudeh (sic) Party of Iran, who gave some Support to the Mullahs in the beginning, because they mistook their antiamerican (sic) rhetoric for anti-imperialism, while it was a pure capitalist orientated govtm (sic). i (sic) had warned them to do so, they didnt (sic) listen and later got hanged.
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I used them as an example of Islam turning on its left wing allies. Nothing I wrote was untrue. As for the idea that the problem with Iran is that it is “captalist oriented govtm” could not be more grotesque. Doesn’t guenter understand that Iran is not Capitalist, but is a Shari’ah state? I suppose not.
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but u (sic) dont (sic) know -or dont (sic) mention- that the nowadays workercommunist (sic) Party of Iran did build up this worldwide councils of ex-muslims (sic), comitees (sic) against death Penalty (sic) and more. u (sic) really cant (sic) compare them with the old stalinists (sic) of the tudeh (sic).
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Their opposition to the Mullahs seems to be largely on the basis of their being the wrong kind of totalitarians being in power there. This is not uncommon.
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and what u also could know already, was, that since many years, all the 5 left/far left parties in the French parliament did Support the laws to ban veils, hijab, nigjab and all this (in opposite to their german comrades).
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I know that leftist politician Jean-Pierre Chevènement supported the ban, but that the Greens did not. Seems like a mixed bag.
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the (sic) “marxists against Islamisation” (sic) (correct title in german (sic): “marximus gegen islamisierung”) u (sic) didnt (sic) find when googlin (sic) it from USA, cause they are new in Austria and Germany and have no own Website yet. but (sic) they posted a gorgeous book with the same title, which u all can see -with many other anti-islamic books- on the Webpage of the Hintergrund Verlag (but if u cant read german this may not help u. )
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I found this booklet for sale here:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.amazon.de/Marximus-gegen-Islamisierung-Lageeinsch%25C3%25A4tzung-Arbeiterinnenbewegung/dp/3982033616&prev=search
Calling it a book seems a bit of an overstatement. It has no cited author–not even one using a pseudonym. So, chances are this was written by guenter himself.
So his describing this group–to the extent it might exist at all–as some sort of mass leftist movement in Germany seems, shall we say, a bit of a stretch.
And interesting how the single reviewer, Karl Schmitt–who gave it 5 stars!–has almost nothing critical to say about Islam, but just natters on about the bourgeois and how the left is not really leftist enough–typical Communist stuff.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington. Great replies.
infidel says
What kind of ill informed garbage is this? And U yank to attention only because the likes of Robert have called out the UNHOLY alliance that U LEFTISTS have set up with the mad Islamists who constantly rock the news with acts of extreme despicable violence against innocents. Where were U when all these years Robert and others like him have cried hoarse at these mindless violence and mass murder orchestrated by Ur Islamist cronies. When was the last time the likes of U gave him a decent UNDISTURBED platform to put his POV? U and Ur likes constantly heckle him and hound him out and now U come here and cry foul?? Aren’t U ashamed? And reg the Hindus,.. Do U even imagine how Hindus are being persecuted in Pak and Bangla? Did U hear about the brutal murder of this Hindu girl by a mad Islamist because she was not ready to marry him?? AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN INDIA REGULARLY… SHAME ON U. Actually, U don’t even warrant a reply.
guenter says
“where where you, when…”-u nonsencial clownesque Shouter. i was Publishing on my own against the Islam since 1979. in Facebook iam since 4 years, and since a half year or so i know jihad watch. i never was involved in public hindering of mr.spencer (also i live in Germany) so dont say “u” when u blame other People which i dont know.
and as i stayed in india as a Reporter, i know the things u mentioned, but i also know about the murder of muslims hacked in the streets or Young muslim Girls raped from the hindutwa. u are a ridicoulos hysterical Shouter who is unable to stick to proofen Facts. u wanna deny how many sikhs got slaughtered from Hindus in the aftermah of Indira ghandis assasination?
guenter says
gravenimage, what is really wrong with you? nobody can be THAT stupid. u said: “we are here not on Facebook, but on jihad.org.” for the last time, as explained to Little children or donkeys: there is a facebook account of jihad.watch.com. there are Little postings with Headlines and a Basic Information. there can be put likes or comments, as in any fb-account. ONLY if someone clicks on it to read the whole Long article, then we get to this page here, where u say it has nothing to with Facebook. thats why i labelled it as the back of the account. will u get this b4 u die? Maybe u can acsess this page without crossing Facebook first.
and i qoute you: ” Where is this from? Not from Jihad Watch.
Too bad guenter does not say the same sort of things here, instead of nattering on about the glories of Communism and spatting with good Anti-Jihadists here.
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i wrote the same things several times on this Facebook account of jihadwatch.org, where u said it diont excist. and what i did Quote from myself was from my Profile as i said- finally get new glasses, that i must not repeat anything. but as i see,now, it was only a part here of the complete disussion which i posted from my Profile. so perhaps there maybe a length-limit for a posting here. to bad. otherwise u would now be in ecstasy aboit all my muslim-slamming there.–
so, this comment page here i used to Show how the rightwing does only use the islam-quest as a pretext for leftwing bashing and that they -while claiming there was no leftwingers against islam- are not interested to work together with anybody who does publish against Islam&jihad,. having no counterarguments for this and many other Points, u -funny enough – put all of this under the Headline of communist Propaganda.
so its simply fun now not to make it easy for you with putting links, but towatch how many decades u may Need to find the mentioned fb-account of jw and my Profile.
and -as if u wasnt often enough well blamaged and ridicouled now!- u have ur doubts, if günter and guenter are the same? (oh Lord have mercy with this paranoid women!). didnt u Claim to understand german? only in german and turkish language there are this “umlaut”, as a,o, &u also with 2 Points above as ä,ö &ü, what is pronounced as ue and can ALSO be written so. moreover, if i open up a mailadr., i MUST even write it as ue, cause the pc-language is english. so while i opened my fb-account on the german part with my correct rname günter, anywhere else i must write it as guenter. both is the same Name. but gunter and günter are 2 different names. so, also, why all my connected foreign friends will write gunter instead of günter, i also stick to the writing as guenter here. but darling, i dont get paid for lecturing you about everything u dont know. so pls talk all ur suspicions and Paranoia to another one. “it aint me, babe” (bob dylan). u are constantly arguing with a Fantasy-figure out of ur mind, which has nothing to do with how iam.
guenter says
sorry, litle mistake: the fb-account is not jihadwatch.com but jihadwatch.org, as said in the posting before.
wpm says
Time to change to a better or different medication?
wpm says
I think little children and donkeys know better
gravenimage says
🙂
simpleton1 says
Another muslim roulette scene as advised by Mohammad.
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks” (Qur’an 47:4)
So will the UK now update its “knife laws”?
Will people need to have a “knife licence”?
Will all knives need to be registered?
Will all knives need to be made more safer?
could obtain or modify kitchen knives with rounded ends to be less dangerous. Judge Madge said if his proposals were implemented there would be a “substantial” reduction in the number of life-threatening injuries caused by stabbings.
Case law in 2005 stated that even a butter knife can be classed as a bladed article in a public place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation#England_and_Wales
No mention that all muslims should be licenced before reading the koran, hadith and sira,
No mention that those books should be kept in a “secure locked safe” and also registered.
OTTER says
The time has come to simply Identify them by their religion in all attacks. Thus, the reporting should be: “ Another Muslim stabs and kills three.’
No qualifiers like “terrorism’ —they are all terrorists, active or sympathizers.
gravenimage says
+1
Rufolino says
How islamophobic of you. “Islam is a religion of peace”.
James Lincoln says
So the feature article is titled:
“UK: Muslim stabs random people in the neck, three feared dead, two more in critical condition, “terror-related””
Absolutely horrific – but not shocking or surprising.
What would be surprising is if the 30 days goes by without ANY stabbings by muslims in the UK…
Walter Sieruk says
This is yet another horrid and tragic example of vicious dangerous malicious but devout Muslim following the instructions found in the Qu ‘ran.
As this”holy book”of Islam instructs in Surah 9:123. “O you who believe ! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…”
This Muslim living in the United Kingdom found a very effective way of showing people who aren’t Muslims harshness.
Nevertheless ,there are some some ignorant people who still feel the Islam is a “non-violent,peaceful religion.” Those people need to do research to obtain a “reality check.”
Kilauea says
It won’t be long before this type of news will be in the back pages of newspapers.
Eva Golding says
That’ll be an improvement on where it is now – nowhere!!!
RichardL says
check out the video on Gateway Pundit. UKistan. And Fox News knows nothing about anything to do wit islam
gravenimage says
Fox News is at least somewhat less clueless than most of the MSM when it comes to Islam–but this is not always saying a lot.
mortimer says
Quote: “The Telegraph has learnt that the incident is being treated as terror-related….”
I look forward to the day when the police will announce that a case is being treated as JIHAD-RELATED !
Michael Copeland says
“Police are not currently treating the incident as terror-related, but counter terrorism officers were called.”
BBC website
FYI says
It’s those mysterious ‘Asians’ again isn’t it?
{I’m sure Constables Abdool and Abdoool will be looking into it:they will probably find the attacker was a victim of ‘islamophobia’ who was driven by years of being subjected to ‘hate speech’ to commit such an act which has nothing to do with islam obviously and anyway he’s probably mentally ill}
Remember the MSM mantra…
isLAM has nothing to do with ISLam and muslim terrorists have nothing to do with islam’s ‘prophet’ being a self-confessed terrorist and whose sunnah muslims must follow,that allah himself decrees the use of terror or the fact that the perpetrators are muslims.
“I have been made victorious through TERROR”
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:220
{muhammed’s admission to being a Terrorist}
“Belief in allah and JIHAD is his cause”
muslim 1:149
{‘allah'{or the MSP,muhammed’s sock puppet}tells us his greatest commandment -which sounds suspiciously like what muhammed said}
the koran:164 Jihadist verses
The “prophet”,god and ‘holy’ book of islam preach the same message..JIHAD.
But will the British PC PCs figure it out{the politically correct police constabulary}?
If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,quacks like a duck:it’s a…duck.
If it shouts ‘allahu akbar’,is a muslim and attacks people in accordance with the koran’s teachings:it’s nothing to do with islam.That’s just being ‘islamophobic’ ‘hate speech’.
Ade Fegan says
Another “largely peaceful” event 🙂
Dave Rackamamutterer (@GlandInMyHand) says
I said to my Son one day when there was a big group of blacks hanging around looking for trouble. I said if any comes at me with a knife i will run towards them. My Son rightly said but Dad that is easier said than done. I said Son look at it this way, i have severe arthritis in my hips and no way would i be able to outrun them, so by running at them i am in with a 50/50 chance, and i will do unto them which they intended to do to me.
Eleanor says
Welcome to the Land of Hope and Glory. Sadly the ship called Hope and Glory, has well and truly sailed.
Joss says
O wonder just what we’re the “unintelligible” words that he shouted?
Ade Fegan says
Unless you speak Arabic ….
Jyoti Prakash Mitra says
Jihadists do these kind of bloodshed & slaughter to denote the availability of Sharia Rule in the British Kingdom. The British Parliament must must address the issue, these are not mere law & order case & other faiths doesn’t observe bloodshed as special to raise a rule. Sharia is not any impression of a vivid culture
andrew mckendrick says
Please remember ,these “people” are not dangerous ,they are in danger!
Jake2169 says
Yes, and most of Europe is finding that out now!! I honestly think that leftists have been brainwashed to totally ignore facts. I’m not sure, but maybe a great many of them are released from a secure unit for a while, on the condition that they attend certain demonstrations.
Jerry says
What can I say except:
La Allah illah YAHWE ueMuhamad Rassoul Shsitan
Jake2169 says
Well put together Rotten Eye, you naughty Islamophobic you! My sentiments exactly, but it won’t go down well with Muslims. Great!!!
Jerry says
Read Shaitan
Ade Fegan says
“nothing whatsoever to do with islam”!
“islam is peace”
“the moon’s a balloon”
Ade Fegan says
“Police are not currently treating the incident as terror-related,
but counter terrorism officers were called.”
BBC website
……… So, another “largely peaceful” event then BBC ?
infidel says
I can see the well put sarcasm here.. What U have done is just turn the Koranic verses on their heads….And this is precisely that so called holy book says reg Jews
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
When are they going to erect a statue of this guy to commemorate his brave deed in upholding the fine traditions and principles of Islam. Mayor So Sick Kahn can officiate at the unveiling.
Dov Berrol says
It’s time for world-wide demonstrations by a new civil-rights organization: KLM!
No, not the Dutch airline. “Kafir Lives Matter”!!!
I guess if you are a follower of the new religions “BBCism” or “CNNism”, you won’t be interested in this new organization.
OLD GUY says
Just another Islamic/muslim migration invader doing what he was trained to do, enslave or kill the non islamic people. The goody goody people who want to feel good about bring these poor muslim/islamic people to YOUR neighborhood need to wake up, they are doing nothing but helping the invasion of their country. It is time to stop the invasion of islam into western society/countries.
Horseman says
@guenter:
Gets your facts right. Far more whites are killed by police officers every year and for the same reasons. Read the article by Coleman Hughes in a recent issue of City Journal titled, “Stories and Data.” There is absolutely no factual basis for the claims of BLM and Antifa. I believe that they know the truth and don’t care. So, where does that leave us?
guenter says
lately saw this, horseman. seems u didnt really read me. cause i had already posted days ago, that i see this more as a class question than as a race question, and that iam Aware that also Whites -espec. poor ones- might be treated the same way. BUT: a) of course more Whites will be Police-killed always, cause the blacks are only 13,8% of the Population. and u cant deny that the USA has a Long rascist history. ist not to Long ago when any White could hang blaks on trees without being judged, and it was till the 60s, when they had to sit in the back of the bus and when the “black” Hospital was full, they did let them die instead of bringing them to “White” hospitals. and even MLK, the preaher of love, was murdered. even White University students who went to the south simply for helping blaks to get registered as voters, got murdered! (but all this was alread said. why must i repeat? why so ignorant?) dont deny all this.
and :putting a foot in someones neck for 10minutes, who cant surely breath then anymore, is intended murder. period! so even if i dont agree with all the viewpoints of BLM and also not with demolishing statues, i can understand the outrage. every sane Person should. the Police-officer does stand in my mentioned Long rasist Tradition, and all those who did spend him much Money seem to agree with an intended murder! and u guys here have the nerve to blame BLM for anti-White rascism? hello?!
David M says
When this was first reported here in Australia they kept saying it was not terror related. It was at least a day before they changed their tune & admitted it was terror related. They wouldn’t mention “Muslim” or “Ïslam” of course though. Knife attacks to the neck of kafirs, I knew what it was from the beginning.
gravenimage says
+1