My latest in PJ Media:
When Leftist rioters topped a statue of Ulysses S. Grant in San Francisco’s Golden Gate Park last Friday, they were ridiculed for apparently not knowing that Grant was the general more responsible than any other for the defeat of the Confederacy and the end of slavery. And as J. Christian Adams pointed out here at PJ Media, “Grant’s Presidency also saw the enactment of the 15th Amendment and a stack of civil rights laws still in force.” But Adams added: “Never mind all that. The mob is on the march.” Indeed it is, and there is a simple and important reason for that: the objective behind their destruction of statues is not the eradication of all apparent glorification of racism and slavery. It is something far more insidious.
Grant not only fought against and destroyed the slave power and enacted civil rights laws. When our history is being denigrated, attacked, and erased, it is all the more important for each of us to know it. Rating America’s Presidents: An America-First Look At Who Was Best, Who Was Overrated, and Who Was An Absolute Disaster is an attempt to aid in that. It shows that from the very beginning of his presidency, Grant demonstrated a consistent commitment to the equality of rights of all people. He declared: “I have no prejudice against sect or race but want each individual to be judged by his own merit.” Just weeks after taking office in 1869, he approved an act stipulating that the word “white” be struck from all requirements to hold office or serve as a juror in the District of Columbia. When Southern states resisted Reconstruction measures, denied blacks the right to vote, and allowed the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize black populations, Grant sent federal troops to restore order and enforce the law.
Grant’s determination to protect the rights of the freed slaves made him extremely unpopular in the South, and increasingly in the North as well, particularly among Democrats, whose 1868 campaign slogan was “Our Motto: This is a White Man’s Country; Let White Men Rule.” This was their guiding principle throughout Grant’s presidency, and when they won control of the House of Representatives in the 1874 midterm elections, the Democrats were able to stymie almost completely Grant’s efforts to protect the civil rights of black Americans.
There is much more. Read the rest here.
Ordinary Joe says
Good information again Robert thank you. Most of these people act more like a paid mob than logical demonstrators with a genuine Vision and cause. Indeed many are white leftist extremists but I am now convinced that there is another agenda here.
Not losing track of the tragedy of George Floyd, I believe a certain group with a Political and globalist agenda are using this to stir up hatred and create an insurrection to destabilise the west, especially within the USA for the coming elections. Not just the BLM demonstrations and the anarchy riots but the plannedemic too (yes you heard that right; planned). I am convinced the two are linked in some way and are being organised (on a huge scale) and someone is putting substantial cash behind it.
I have also become convinced that some Western governments have been compromised by “place men” for this ‘globalist’ cabal.
I fear this will only get worse nearer the elections, they want Trump out No matter what, he is blocking them. It is important we do not let them divide us, we must stay united no matter what colour we are.
Hasmat says
They are a paid Mob. Obama brought in a new meaning of Race wars, he invented schemes to take down America if Clinton failed to get elected. The BLM was started by black Democrats by Democrats own fraud. Now the Big Corporations are the same ones the Blacks clain that Trump supports, but check the stats yourself and find out that the BLM get Donations that is being sent through the ACT BLUE corporate front money laundering site that take donations for the BLM, but the BLM has no Corporate office or 501-3 (c) set up to take any donations. So they reroute the funds to the ACT BLUE which stands for Actors of the Blue Party. They are trained Marxists by Soros and the Socialist Party. They are Hell bent on removing OUR Constitution and taking America down. Read the Georgia Guide stones first line, “maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.” Now how do you think that 7.2 Billion will be on the Earth and taking out to fit this first line of Man’s ten commandments? Only 500 million on the planet? Where did they get this figure from? or is it an Agenda to Genocide over 7.5 billion people? And who do you think these people will represent? Certainly not the Elite, as they have the Money and Underground Cities already set to go when they are ready.
DP111 says
America faces a war on the USA from an enemy within. This is not a law and order problem but a war declared with stated objectives.
cynthia curran says
Well, the left blames the white nationalist group that may have been involved in the early days. Some with Hawaiian shirts or the Proud Boys. While some of these groups are into blowing up things, the white nationalist, they could care less about burning US flags or tearing down statues. They also happen to be big fans of the confederacy. This is the line by the FBI and the Washington Post that Antifa was not involved but only white nationalist. In fact after day 3 there were few of the protesters that looked like the Blaoo Blaoo or Proud boys. One leftist points out to a group with military regala in Washington Dc but that was on day 3 of the protest. Also, he said most people arrested belong to white nationalist groups but in fact most arrested have not been idenify with any particular group. In fact, the Washington Post is involved in a big cover up along with other liberal media about these protesters. The Protesters even attack a Democratic Politician in Wisconsin that was filming them.
gravenimage says
I don’t think there are a lot of “Proud Boys” in San Francisco.
And since when did wearing Hawaiian shirts make someone a racist? I actually know a lot of Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics who wear Hawaiian shirts. Generally the meaning of a Hawaiian shirt is more wanting to relax and have a cold drink, rather than anything violent.
Craig says
He’s white therefore he needs to be erased. BLM doesn’t give two cents when black people kill black people in daily ghetto violence. There’s no profit in it. Their endgame, which is the same endgame that the Democratic party has(because BLM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the part just as the KKK was) is the creation of a single party totalitarian state. They want North Korea on a grand scale.
Ed Lee says
No, BLM is not a subsidiary of the Democrat party. Black Lives Matter is affiliated with Hamas. Go to YouTube and search for “Nihad Awad. Black Lives Matter: Hamas Pawn” for the proof (it’s a 1 minute 14 sec video that has been there since 2016). I do agree with your assessment of the Democrat party’s goals.
revereridesagain says
Thanks! I found it under this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1pVwR-zYKU
It’s going to be very useful against those who refuse to recognize BLM’s true nature.
Reziac says
As a comment under the video says, this crosses the line from free speech into sedition. Much as the riots have long since crossed the line from protest into insurrection.
Wellington says
Ed Lee: Disagree. BLM is, de facto, a subsidiary of the now pathetic and ever more left leaning Democratic Party.
One of the great but unfortunate realities of our time is how much the Democratic Party has caved to the Far Left. This would include the Black Congressional Caucus, which is a national disgrace, having no problem with Hamas.
The Democratic Party of old is no more. Omar, Tlaib, AOC, et al. are wedded to BLM which in turn has excoriated Israel for engaging in genocide. To aver as you did that BLM is not a part of the Democratic Party is three steps behind reality, if not just downright ludicrous, UNLESS you mean that the Democratic Party has become a subsidiary of BLM, much as it has of the teachers’ unions, especially in a state like New Jersey.
BLM, the Democratic Party, Hamas, the BCC, many unions, et al.—all tied at the diseased hip, only who dominates whom being worthy of argument.
David Darman says
what a crock…
gravenimage says
How so, David?
Wellington says
How so, David? What did I say which was in error? Or haven’t you noticed just how Far Left the Democratic Party is being taken more so with each passing year? The fact that loons like AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Booker, Murphy, Nadler, Northam, Durkin, Inslee, de Blasio, Lightfoot, Kenney—ah, it’s a very long list and getting longer by the year—now dominate the Democratic Party is both ominous and sickening. Progressive Democrats are so awful that they actually want to make a distinction between free speech and hate speech (Hillary Clinton said so back in 2016 and this has already happened on most college campuses where the Left is most in control) and if this is not Orwellian, then nothing is.
You know, I explain my points of view. Seems you can’t. Well, being on the left side of the political spectrum is a liability to clear thinking. Or, as Bill Buckley Jr. said, if you know the facts you’ll be a conservative but it’s a big “if.”
David Darman says
Conflating Hamas with the Democratic Party…I’ll sit this one out. You can call me ignorant or lacking an argument or anything else you feel is appropriate.
Wellington says
David: The Jerusalem Post over two years ago reported a Gallup poll taken in March of 2018 that showed that only 49% of Democrats supported Israel over the Palestinians. Since that time matters have gotten far worse what with horrible human beings like Omar and Tlaib elected to Congress and a clueless twit like AOC.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) refuses to condemn HAMAS as a terrorist organization and yet CAIR is quite cozy with the Democratic Party. CAIR is really just another arm of the Muslim Brotherhood which is on record, as Robert Spencer himself has conveyed here at JW many times, with “wanting to destroy Western Civilization from within.”
There are still Democrats who support Israel, the only decent and free polity in the Middle East and where Israeli-Arabs have far more freedoms than Arabs do in the over twenty Arab countries that exist, but such Democrats are increasingly becoming a minority. Moreover, Black Lives Matter (BLM) by its own admission is Marxist (its three founders in 2013—Patrisse Cullors, Omar Tometi and Alicia Garza—have described themselves “as trained Marxists”) and aside from being racist (e.g., demanding that whites go to the back of the crowd at rallies in Missouri and Washington), anti-capitalist, profoundly anti-police and anti-American overall, has expressed support for the Palestinians and has made the egregiously false charge that Israel is guilty of genocide. Do you know any Democrat that has condemned BLM? Or Antifa? Or the pulling down of statues, including those like Grant who fought for the Union?
Trump and other Republicans (e.g., Congressman Dan Crenshaw and Senator John Cornyn) have condemned these groups and their actions. I know of no Democrat who has. Wake up.
Reziac says
Embrace the power of “AND”. We know that ActBlue collects donations on the ‘official’ BLM site, and that most of those donation get funneled to Democrats. I expect a lot of that ‘donation’ money comes from Qatar (see the Bender Affidavit) and other Muslim polities, BLM being a great way to launder money in plain sight, while growing their influence. If they can get enough wholly-owned Democrats (and some RINOs) in power, they can overwhelm America without the tedium and expense of a shooting war, just as they are Europe.
Thank God for Trump.
Gray says
There is no point in searching for logic or consistency in the BLM thuggery now sweeping the world. It became obvious to me many years ago that the term ‘racist’ has no meaning. Today, a racist is anyone who disagrees with any aspect of the Left’s policy on any issue relating to race, including immigration. It’s an attempt to shut down discussion, and the word has been redefined into a meaningless term of abuse. The word ‘fascist ‘ as well. That word is now merely another pejorative term, hurled at anyone questioning any aspect whatsoever of the Left’s agenda. Even the Left should be concerned that we no longer have a word to describe true racism, or true fascism. The screaming hordes should stop for a moment, and read some Orwell. So ‘Black lives matter,’ do they? So why are aborted foetuses overwhelmingly the unborn babies of young black women? Why? Is it simply that all unborn babies are just an encumbrance on a woman’s body, to be discarded at will, right up to birth? And just how is mobs of overwhelmingly black rioters smashing shop windows, and stealing TVs and jewellery, going to improve the condition of black people anywhere? And who is going to control public order once the police are de-funded and disbanded? The only alternative I can see is the imposition of martial law, with curfews and the summary execution of anyone found loitering in the streets after dark. Is that really what the BLM mob want? How will that improve race relations? The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Hope to God Biden never becomes US President. That really would sound the death knell for the Western world generally.
Wellington says
Ulysses S. Grant detested slavery and when he married Julia Dent and inherited a slave from her family, even though he was quite poor at the time and a slave could have brought him a nice sum of money at auction, he freed the slave immediately.
As commander of all Union forces in the Civil War, when he learned that the Confederates were not treating captured black Union soldiers as ordinary prisoners, indeed were killing them immediately, he made it known through the lines of communication that existed between Union and Confederate sources that if such continued he would shoot captured Confederate soldiers on sight. The Confederacy forthwith stopped killing captured black Union soldiers.
When President (1869-1877), Grant almost completely destroyed the Ku Klux Klan by way of the Force Acts, 1870-1871. He ultimately failed in this noble endeavor but not for want of trying.
Frederick Douglass, a black slave in in his early life in Maryland before he escaped from his servitude and who, effectively, was brought up as an animal, not even knowing for certain the year of his birth (probably 1818), taught himself how to read letter by letter (as detailed in his magnificent autobiography that is one of the greatest autobiographies in the English language), asserted unambiguously that President Grant was the greatest friend of black Americans.
That this Grant statue was torn down reveals the following: 1) Those who did it are despicable human beings; 2) Those who did it are profoundly ignorant of history; and 3) Those who did it really want the destruction of the United States of America as we know it.
Enough already with the faux sympathy for George Floyd. He should not have died the way he did but his death is now being used as an excuse by the forces of the Far Left to destroy America as we know it—to insure permanent Democratic Party control (sadly, the Democratic Party of old is no more and is now a catalyst for destroying the greatest polity, with all its faults, ever created by man, and one knows this by now or should know it), by way of no borders, sanctuary cities, eliminating the Electoral College, making a distinction between free speech and hate speech, gutting the Second Amendment, et al.
We stand at a precipice whereby America could be destroyed by the forces of the Far Left. This would include Black Lives Matter which is a thuggish, Marxist, racist, anti-capitalist, America-hating, Israel-hating organization.
That President Grant has been “pulled down” means that anyone or anything can be pulled down if one does not agree with the control-freakish, deeply aberrant, profoundly ignorant Far Left, whose greatest success so far has been more or less taking over one of the two major political parties here in America.
There is no excuse, NO EXCUSE, for any reasonable and informed person to any longer remain a Democrat. NO EXCEPTIONS because the Democratic Party, led by utter fools like Pelosi and Schumer, serves now as the main route for the destruction of all of America. It’s the conduit for this monumental iniquitous scheme.
The Republican Party leaves much to be desired, though there are stalwart Republicans like Jordan, Nunes, Cotton, Elder, Owens and Gaetz, as well as Trump, but the Democratic Party has now become an enemy of America and one knows this or should know it. It is the principal “avenue” at present by which the Far Left means to destroy America, and by way of such foolish or malevolent Democrats as AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Schiff, with the pathetic and senile Biden as a figurehead.
One knows all this I stated above or should know it. If Grant were still here, he would. No doubt. No doubt whatsoever.
curious george says
Wellington,
Well said.
Unfortunately, you’re preaching to the choir.
It appears that the U.S.A. is nothing more than an accident waiting to happen. Like the Titanic, it’s not if, but “when” we will hit the iceberg.
Batten down the hatches, the road ahead is riddled with land mines. The situation is going to get a lot worse, before or if, it gets better.
Wellington says
Thank you for your reply, curious george.
I agree with you that I am largely, though not exclusively, preaching to the choir (as examples, don’t you think that that nefarious organization, CAIR, and other ideological monstrosities, pays attention to JW?—I’m sure they do though I think they would deny it).
But, in any case, preaching to the choir is how almost all ideological movements begin (e.g., Christianity or the efforts made by Americans in the immediate years before war broke out against Great Britain in 1775), religious or secular. And I like to think, indeed I do think, that “preaching to the choir” should be only a first step. It cannot be the last step; this I readily concede. Nonetheless, I do indulge myself to the extent that “preaching to the choir” will eventually reach out and take in many more. After all, great things have small beginnings, from ancient Athens to ancient Rome, to enlightened religions like Judaism and Christianity, to America itself.
Besides, what’s the alternative? Never attempting to right wrongs in the first place because pointing out wrongs ordinarily has its genesis in “merely” preaching to the choir? Not an option I would argue. Actually, I rather like starting out with a choir. And then go from there. Just sayin’.
curious george says
Wellington,
I agree with your assessment, however, some forces are at work that will be very, very hard to overcome.
If we look at only one situation, for example, the danger of Islam to the Western World, it’s a challenge, but it’s not something that can’t be overcome.
However, when forces are combined, like, China (The Chinese Communist Party), Russia, Iran, and North Korea, “an enemy of my enemy is my friend” alliance starts to take shape, and then the situation changes dramatically.
Don’t underestimate the Chinese Communist Party (CHI-COMS), they are a formidable adversary, especially now, with their “Belt and Road Action Plan.” Both they and the Mullahs in Iran would like nothing better than to see Trump, a major stumbling block to their ambitions, out of the way.
And now, we are dealing with challenges on many fronts, all being funded, coordinated and controlled by those countries, in addition to the likes of Soros, The Rockefellers, Bill and Melinda Gates, Obama, the Clintons, etc.
What we are witnessing in part, is the Cloward-Piven strategy at work. This time, it’s being implemented on a much larger scale and more successfully than before, primarily due to the COVID-19 “manufactured crisis.” This “manufactured” COVID-19 crisis is a “game-changer.”
Your excellent comment below succinctly sums up the situation in the U.S.A, we have a very powerful “fifth column” in this country that has been working hand in hand with the enemies of the United States to help facilitate a Global Government.
“When I see that hideous woman, Nancy Pelosi, that pompous little twit, AOC, those fifth columnists, Omar and Tlaib, that mendacious weasel, Schiff, that permanent obfuscator, Schumer, and others like Northam in Virginia, Wolf in Pennsylvania, Murphy in New Jersey, Cuomo in New York, Pritzker in Illinois, Inslee in Washington, the pathetic boy mayor in Minneapolis, Lightfoot in Chicago, Durkin in Seattle, certainly the worst mayor in NYC history, de Blasio, et al. I can only conclude that the ultimate enemy of America and the West at large is the moronic Progressive Democrats exclusively in charge of the most dysfunctional parts of America. Oh yeah, a major connection here. Big time.”
Sadly, for every person mentioned in your comment above, there are hundreds that we are not aware of. These people are cleverly placed in positions of authority, policymaking positions, positions that aid and abet the left in their quest to “fundamentally change the U.S.A.
With the left, “the issue is never the issue, it’s the narrative that matters.”
The destructive demonstrations that are currently taking place, the manipulation of the masses/useful idiots are primarily due to the “leftist agenda” that has taken root in the U.S.A. and unfortunately, their strategy and diligent planning are working, maybe better than even the left expected.
gravenimage says
Fine posts, Wellington.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Unfortunately, your post is 100% accurate – and evidence-based.
The Far Left is currently a bigger threat to us than islam- and that’s saying a LOT.
Oh, how I wish you were wrong.
To think that the United States of America, at this point in history, is literally one election away from a slow and complete destruction – the loss of the free world’s “Beacon of Hope.”
TRUMP 2020 TRUMP 2020 TRUMP 2020 TRUMP 2020 TRUMP 2020 TRUMP 2020
Wellington says
The single greatest tragedy of our time, James, IMHO, is what has happened to the Democratic Party of the USA, one of the two largest political parties of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth. As the Democratic Party waxes or wanes, so arguably goes the fate of America, the West in general, and all of mankind.
Assuming my assessment is correct here (and reasonable minds can disagree with it though I will take them on again and again without cessation because I never learned when to quit), the Democratic Party of America is the single weakest link respecting the best of mankind to prevail rather than the worst. Right now, the Far Left is trying to co-opt the Democratic Party and that senile old fool, Biden, is largely, if not completely, oblivious of this (talk about a political puppet at the highest levels of American politics; no better example exists than Joe Biden).
Islam is secondary because still largely the enemy without. Western Europe is increasingly hopeless but Eastern Europe does provide much hope. Russia remains Russia—whether under Czars, First Secretaries or now Putin—it never really learns. The Asian world and the rest of the world is really only successful to the extent that it follows the Western formula of democracy, capitalism, a proper moral order and a decent legal system. Alas, most of the world still does not get this.
The Democratic Party of the USA is primary however in this struggle to save mankind because it is the enemy within in the most powerful polity on earth. If I’m sure and correct about anything, it is this. Yes, right now I would argue, though many other weak links exist, nonetheless the weakest link of all for mankind is the Democratic Party of America. Yeah, this ominous—and telling—and damning—and sad.
When I see that hideous woman, Nancy Pelosi, that pompous little twit, AOC, those fifth columnists, Omar and Tlaib, that mendacious weasel, Schiff, that permanent obfuscator, Schumer, and others like Northam in Virginia, Wolf in Pennsylvania, Murphy in New Jersey, Cuomo in New York, Pritzker in Illinois, Inslee in Washington, the pathetic boy mayor in Minneapolis, Lightfoot in Chicago, Durkin in Seattle, certainly the worst mayor in NYC history, de Blasio, et al. I can only conclude that the ultimate enemy of America and the West at large is the moronic Progressive Democrats exclusively in charge of the most dysfunctional parts of America. Oh yeah, a major connection here. Big time.
Reziac says
Biden had made a retirement hobby of running for President, and I suspect was more astonished than anyone when he won the nomination. The REAL candidate will be whomever the DNC (not Biden) picks as his running mate.
cynthia curran says
Most are very liberal cities but the Washington Post blames Blaoo Blaoo and the proud boys that show up in a few cities like Las Vegas. The problem is blaoo Blaoo and Proud Boys disappear from these riots back in day 3. In fact I believe there is a cover up on the riots.
truthispower says
The only part I can’t agree on is that the Islam problem is without. With all due respect it is in within and is the center cancer within our country .They are capable and will use anything and anyone they can to achieve it. Please realize they have been here since 1928.They work in all levels of government .Oh and another consideration is the fact that Jamaat Al Fuqura is involved in the mix. Scratch the surface you will find they are involved with Blm.
Reziac says
The Far Left (and even the moderate Left and some RINOs) are busy being Islam’s useful idiots, and if Islam triumphs, will be astonished when they’re the next ones up against the wall. It’s all one thing at this point, and it’s up to patriots like us to resist and spread the word.
#Trumpslide2020
Brian Ozzy says
That’s an excellent Summation of the present madness Wellington. Thank you.
katherine says
Bit of a puzzle here – what history does America teach its children anyway, if any ?
gravenimage says
Toppling of Grant Statue Shows the Vandals’ True Agenda
………………
Does it matter that Grant did more than anyone (save President Lincoln himself) to *end* slavery? Apparently not.
He’s an “old dead white guy”, and that is enough. What moral insanity.
GreekEmpress says
gravenimage,
How are things in Oakland? Hope you are safe. My hometown is right across from you—(San Francisco). Pains me to see what’s happened to it.
gravenimage says
GreekEmpress, I was born in and grew up in San Francisco, then lived there again after college, where I met my husband. I love the city in many ways, but not this insanity.
Things have been fairly quiet here in Oakland over the past week or so, but I’m not sure how long it will last. And we still don’t know if many of the stores looted and vandalized here will ever be able to reopen.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Perhaps in a twisted sort of way, it’s good that the statue was toppled – a new one can always be built.
But it definitely exposed the agenda of the Leftists.
And, ironically, BLM is not protesting the toppling of the statue.
The world has gone insane.
gravenimage says
James, luckily, it looks as though the statue is in pretty decent shape–it was just toppled, but not destroyed.
But I wonder how many of these statues will be put back up.
For instance, the city *itself* took down the statue of Columbus by Coit Tower so that vandals would not hurt themselves if they pulled it down (no, I am *not* making this up). Of course, guarding the statue never occurred to them.
And yes–it is notable that no one in BLM has protested the statue of Grant being pulled down. And Tweets after the vandalism made it pretty clear that it was BLM or their ilk that was behind this.
https://meaww.com/ulysses-s-grant-statue-toppled-blm-protesters-internet-twitter-hated-slavery-president-usa
truthbetold says
Our true forefathers didn’t invent slavery and didn’t want it to last forever .Truth is every race color creed has at some point in history been slaves .Yes that includes Caucasians .They called them indentured servants .Lets say hypothetically that slavery in the US still exists and compare it to a house and a car. Blacks being the house and the whites being cars .What do you take better care of? Especially if that Caucasian in a few years will be free and competing with you? End slavery have you ever seen any documentaries made from those freed slaves many went back south .They had no work no home exc. up north .Are you aware that the way the slaves were treated was different in different parts of the south? Free blacks owned slaves .You had regiments of voluntary soldiers who were black fighting against the north .The slaves knew that if the feds could free them they could just as well sentence them to a lifetime of unmitigated slavery .At least when it was a states rights issue they could flee to another state .Try that when the feds make it a nationwide law .That their own people had rounded them up and sold them to the Arab slave traders was another reason not to go back to Africa .Not only in public history I have had the privilege to read private writings.
gravenimage says
No, slaves were not treated better than free men.
As for slaves fighting for the Confederacy, this does not appear to be the case. Some Confederate officers brought house slaves with them as valets, but this is a different matter.
And no–I have never read about any slaves who thought that if the North won that they would be subjected to an even more onerous form of slavery–citations, please.
There is no reason to whitewash slavery. The thing is that it was the West that *ended* slavery.
You *are* right about the hideous Islamic slave trade, though–which continues to this day.
truthbetold says
I am sure you haven’t .If you had it would only be the neoconfederates viewpoint. ,Furthermore I never said that the north would put them back into slavery .I said that they had no work food or anywhere to live .Ostracism shunning. In essence freeing them without helping them to survive, is a trap, not slavery .Where your delusion of what I said is on you. But for a better perusal of the situation Here it is
https://www.theroot.com/yes-there-were-black-confederates-here-s-why-1790858546
Oh and please do read it all.Its a bit long and if you post I will be able to tell if you read it all.Now off to school you have homework
Battle says
I hope destruction of government property and criminal mischief charges are brought against the leaders of the destruction.
gravenimage says
Don’t hold your breath…
Battle says
God bless Ulysses S Grant.
gravenimage says
+1
CogitoErgoSum says
I knew there was a movement following the Civil War to establish Liberia in Africa as a place where the freed slaves might go for self-rule. I was not aware the Dominican Republic had been considered for them also. I don’t think having a state set aside within the Union would have ever worked because the citizens of that state would most likely still have felt they were still at the mercy of the white states and not fully represented in the federal government. They most likely would have eventually wanted to secede and form their own country. Moving the blacks to a nation of their own would probably have been best in the first place.
It is the inherent nature of man to seek to be among members of his own kind. This was a way to increase the chances of survival in a hostile world. It is the reason tribes developed and nations were formed. Natural selection ensured that the men who felt this way were the ones who survived and passed this preference on to their children. Believing that men of all colors and races can live together without eventually falling back into separating themselves according to easily recognizable differences seems like an unachievable pipe dream to me.
James Lincoln says
CogitoErgoSum,
Interesting, and thought provoking post. My compliments.
Recent events, and the rise of the BLM movement, has set race relations between Blacks and Caucasians back decades.
I have already seen Caucasians pull back from even benign interactions with Blacks. Afraid to accidentally say the wrong thing, etc.
The path of least resistance is just to avoid the interactions is much as possible. Caucasians having Blacks as friends will be deemed to be too risky.
Rufolino says
The new racists are evidently Black.
We are currently watching the Left’s domination of schools and universities across the West bearing hideous fruit, and it has only just started..
gravenimage says
This is grimly true, James.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum, I believe it is possible for civilized people of any race to live together. The thugs pulling down this statue and looting shops are another matter.
Wellington says
Slight correction, CES. The attempt to resettle black Americans in Africa in what became Liberia began in 1816 with the founding of the American Colonization Society. This is why the capital to this day is Monrovia, named after America’s fifth President, James Monroe (1817-1825). It was long before the Civil War that all this began.
It was Abraham Lincoln who thought of the Caribbean as a place to repatriate black Americans because by the 1860’s the movement to have blacks move to Africa had fizzled out—only some 15,000 moved there (and where, highly ironically, they became the ruling class over indigenous blacks, a factor that existed well into modern times if not even to the present day).
What’s interesting and telling is that the vast majority of black Americans, understandably and to their credit, did not want to move to either Africa or the Caribbean. Their contention overwhelmingly was that they were Americans too and wanted to stay in America and be treated as human beings—eminently reasonable I have long argued.
CogitoErgoSum says
Thanks, Wellington. Yes, you are right. Even today black people who hate white people could return to Africa, the land of their ancestors if they really wanted to do so. Ghana has extended an open invitation to black Americans to come and help them build that country. I would even support a surcharge on my annual income tax to be spread out over the next 10 years or so to help them in place of reparations for slavery. I am just sick of all this hate directed towards white people. I want to live in peace.
CogitoErgoSum says
Let me clarify that. I would support the income tax surcharge to help anyone who is black to LEAVE the U.S.
Wellington says
I’ll see you and raise you, CES. I would support all who hate America, or at least don’t appreciate it, to move elsewhere. This would include both a lot of whites as well as blacks.
Put another way, the problem is Leftism. As an example, I would far, far rather see, infinitely so, the white Hollyweird crowd move to wherever and black conservatives to remain right here in America. In the final analysis, race, ethnicity and gender are inconsequential, of no account. Character and ideas are paramount.
CogitoErgoSum says
You win, Wellington. I just wonder how many white people would choose to move to Ghana or Liberia or anywhere in Africa even with some help in paying for the one-way trip there.
truthbetold says
Better known as natural separatism.
mortimer says
The Union Army fielded roughly 2.2 million men during the war. Around 110,000 were KIA or died of wounds.
They died for black freedom. And don’t forget those who lived crippled and psychologically traumatized to liberate the slaves.
Their memory should by all who are descendants of slaves.
mortimer says
addition … should be honored by all who are descendants of slaves.
General Grant led them to victory over the slave states. Grant deserves tremendous credit.
gravenimage says
+1
CogitoErgoSum says
I once felt that race and skin color were things that did not matter but it is apparent to me that for a large number of people they still do matter. If the police officer and George Floyd had been of the same race no one would have been rioting in the streets over one man killing another. Look at the number of murders in Chicago committed by black people against other black people and no one is rioting over that. Even in matters of religion people divide themselves up over what color Jesus must have been. I no longer believe there is any hope that men will ever live in a world not divided by appearance and physical characteristics. Lincoln and Jefferson felt this way also. Perhaps the election in November will prove me (and them) wrong but I fear for the worst. The divisions are too deep and the Marxists and the Muslims and all others who hate the United States will take advantage of this until one group wins out over the other.
Wellington says
On one specific aspect of your comment, CES, I would opine to the effect that black lives matter when whites kill blacks but black lives don’t matter when blacks kill blacks. This is one of many reasons why BLM is phony and is bad news not just for black America but for all of America.
James Lincoln says
Perfectly stated, Wellington.
My compliments…
Jake2169 says
A comment on here states that the BLM movement is a bigger threat than Islam to all Western countries. They most certainly are. Worst still is what is going on behind the scenes, the joining together of BLM and Islam. Predominantly and first and foremost is the threat of Islam. We are all faced with lies and deceit from politicians in Europe who are literally terrified of Muslims, they tolerate the threats, they take payoffs, they bend to Islam on all fronts. Muslims who commit crimes of any description tend to be ignored. Fathers cannot protect their daughter if a Muslim man gropes her, if he does he is arrested and the Muslim walks free to strike again!! The world is one twisted fucked up place, chock full of bent, scared, politicians, fearful in case they are the target of an Islamist attack. The sad thing is that they are willing to sacrifice anybody elses life, even a childs to ensure that they look good in the eyes of Muslims. They are so stupid they don’t know they are just a way to take control with the least effort. The politicians are making it easy for the takeover, but few realise that it is their heads on the block first!! People need to wake up to the threat of Islam because the politicians simply don’t care because they are safe and secure, or because they are fucking morons!!
vcragain says
I’m a Brit so I still do not know all the ins-and-outs of who-did-what-to-who in US history – my bad…still learning….but if what you say is true then those ‘Leftists’ were confused…but what you really need to say is that -the group who did the statue toppling are idiots- …not that every single ‘Leftie’ is such – just as the RWers who do destruction, killings etc are not representative of most RW affiliated people – most of whom simply want their leaders to balance the arguments & decisions towards the Conservative side rather than giving too much away to those they see as ‘takers’ – easily said when YOU have a stable job !
“If we could all change places & wear each other’s faces for a day!” – as the song says !
We really, really need to understand the variations of beliefs that fill this country – LW in the US does not mean Communist, nor does RW mean religious-nut or extremist Capitalism – which we are dangerously close to right now anyway ! . When you ask most ordinary people what they want from their Government, you will discover that they want fair-play & decency, good schools for all kids & not to have to see poverty everywhere or read about kids not being able to eat lunch ! It’s quite simple ! Ask Denmark how it works for them – they have a pretty good system over there & they still have $billionaires !
Keeping things decent is the only way to resolve the ongoing conflict of ideas, and violence will never do anything but make the other side angrier than you ! I just wish people would think for themselves instead of FOLLOWING the screamers like sheep ! Unfortunately right now reason has been relegated to the sidelines as this country is now regarded world-wide as totally off-the-wall because of one person !…and if we try to visit Europe it is WE who are regarded as a threat – sorry UK they do not listen to my voice of reason, and I do try !
jewdog says
So far, it looks like all statues of white men are the target, whatever their policies were. Thus, I tend to see BLM and its associated ANTIFA as a sort of inverted KKK. They are anti-white racists, and they share an antipathy to the Jews like their KKK cousins.
cynthia curran says
White nationalist groups were blame by the Washington Post, but would they tear down confederate statues when they tend to like the confederately.
jewdog says
Leftist organs like WaPo blame the right reflexively. If they had their head screwed on they’d realize that even blacks and other non-whites can be every bit as intolerant and extreme right as anyone, and often are, as we see.
tgusa says
The last Americans that leave these leftist occupied cities should take the flag with them. The insurgency should not be allowed to display the American flag any where. And perhaps we need to rethink allowing them Constitutional rights as well. I really don’t want them jailed deportation is a better choice. We have already tried lets just get along, it failed.
OLD GUY says
They don’t care it’s all about socialism and free stuff.
Maximus says
Another statue is down…
Whose this time? Lenin’s ? – No, that one is probably well and undisturbed in the Seattle, a city of chaos…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)
Hey Seattle patriots? I guess it is OK with Seattle patriots…
gravenimage says
Good point.
GreytigerTX says
Socialism has done its job well. Our schools and universities don’t teach accurate American history, civics or government. These vast majority of younger Americans are totally ignorant about how and why the country was founded. They believe the Civil War was fought over slavery (not entirely true). They believe the race hucksters when told America is racist. Most Americans are apathetic. They could care less as long as the violence doesn’t affect them personally. We are in the early stages of a bloody Civil War. Treason and insurrection are the cause de jour.
truthbetold says
Couldn’t have said it better.I have tried to explain even to those on this site that the civil war was about federal rights versus states rights.Slavery was brought in to as a polarizing point.In essence political cannon fodder.Agree with your post 100%