To be precise, it was Ireland’s Croke Park Stadium, not a proper mosque, but what happened there was no joke. ChurchMilitant.com reported that on Friday, July 31, Ireland’s top Catholic prelate, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, “joined Muslims in celebrating a key Islamic festival which falsifies the Bible by declaring that the patriarch Abraham took Ishmael, not Isaac, to be sacrificed on Mount Moriah.” Also present was Jewish Rabbi Zalman Lent, who enthused “it is special we can all sit here together … as brothers.”
Martin (pictured above) was just as enthusiastic, saying: “Today marks a new chapter in the history of Croke Park. Today our celebration is a gesture of recognizing publicly the place of the Muslim community as an integral part of the family of the Irish and to recognize the contribution of your Muslim community to the Ireland of today and to the Ireland of tomorrow.”
As I told Church Militant, Martin’s complacent satisfaction was all the more disgraceful in light of the fact that at the time the Eid celebration was held, the Catholic faithful still are in many places deprived of the sacraments and subject to immense and unprecedented restrictions on their worship, the bishops wouldn’t dare miss an Islamic celebration. In this event we see yet again the Catholic hierarchy’s endless solicitude for Muslims and Islam, and its disdain for actual Catholics.
What is unusual in this case is that some Catholics stood up against this exercise in a self-defeating and pointless dialogue that has never saved one single Christian from Muslim persecution, or prevented any jihadists from destroying even just one church.
Martin’s participation was all the more unconscionable that they would be celebrating Eid al-Adha, the day on which Muslims sacrifice animals in honor of Abraham sacrificing Ishmael — not Isaac.
When Diarmuid Martin and Zalman Lent think of Abraham, they probably think of Genesis 22:15-18, in which Abraham is rewarded for his faith and told he will become a blessing to the nations: “by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, because you have obeyed my voice.”
But their Muslim friends don’t read Genesis. They read the Qur’an. Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son (who is not named) is recounted in 37:102-109. Islamic tradition holds that the son Abraham sacrificed was Ishmael, and that the Bible’s saying he was Isaac is more evidence of the Bible’s corruption. Martin and Lent were inadvertently reinforcing that view by participating in this event.
Even worse, in sura 60, Allah says that Abraham is an “excellent example” (uswa hasana, أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ, a term applied also to Muhammad in 33:21) for the believers when he tells his pagan family and people that “there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever, unless ye believe in Allah and him alone” (v. 4). The same verse goes on to say that Abraham is not an excellent example when he tells his father, “I will pray for forgiveness for you.” Hatred is held up as exemplary; forgiveness is explicitly declared to be not exemplary.
Martin and Lent were thus reinforcing a worldview that takes for granted the legitimacy of everlasting enmity and hatred between Muslims and non-Muslims — and doing so precisely in the context of trying to build bridges between Muslims and non-Muslims.
This disgraceful event shows the priorities of the Catholic hierarchy today, and those of Leftist clerics in general. Islam is the preferred religion of the Left, and that holds true even when the leftists in question are clerics of different faiths.
And even worse, the endless solicitude of Leftist Jewish and Christian clerics for Islam will never be reciprocated. The Muslims who greeted Martin and Lent at Croke Park Stadium thought of them as unbelievers from among the People of the Book, people whom the Qur’an terms “the most vile of created beings” (98:6). They almost certainly thought that before this event, and they continued to think it afterward. The words of the Qur’an will never be erased. A pious, knowledgeable, believing Muslim will never disregard those words just because an infidel, who is akin to an animal (Qur’an 8:55) shows him kindness.
The command will remain: “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are ruthless to unbelievers, merciful to one another” (Qur’an 48:29). That is something you will never hear from the likes of Zalman Lent and Diarmuid Martin. But it remains in the Islamic holy book nevertheless.
revereridesagain says
My atheist, Objectivist friends and I will never, ever bow to the savages who control and support the vile, irrational, primitive, savage and violent religion of Islam. To do so would be to abandon not only ourselves but millions of innocent others to the predations of the whores of Allah.
What were those excuses your oh so morally superior people of God had, again?
James Lincoln says
revereridesagain,
You are overgeneralizing, at least in my case.
I am a devout Christian and I also “will never, ever bow to the savages who control and support the vile, irrational, primitive, savage and violent religion of Islam.”
I also have good friends who are atheists or agnostics.
As long as they follow the “Golden Rule” and leave me alone about my Christian faith – no problem.
And I do not feel morally superior to them…
gravenimage says
+1
Rufolino says
How do you avoid feeling “morally superior” to people whose beliefs you find despicable and whose actions you would often condemn ? Sounds like some achievement.
What would be the point of converting from Islam to Christianity if Christianity wasn’t something better, and “morally superior” ?
I most certainly feel “morally superior” to the often disgusting tenets of Islamic hate and those who practice them. (But it doesn’t mean I am superior as a person, or that I am a fine representative of Christianity.)
James Lincoln says
Rufolino,
Thank you for your reply.
I’ll try to break down your post:
I simply stated that I do not feel morally superior to atheists or agnostics who follow the Golden Rule and leave me alone about my Christian faith.
If they follow the Golden Rule, I don’t see how their beliefs – or lack thereof – would be considered to be despicable.
One who follows the Golden Rule would also tend not to have actions that I would condemn.
islam, of course, does not follow the Golden Rule. It would be better for themselves and society if muslims converted to Christianity – or just became an agnostic or atheist who followed the Golden Rule.
Christians – and agnostics, and atheists who follow the Golden Rule – are by definition morally superior to followers of the tenants of islam.
FYI says
The Golden Rule..
“Do for others what you want them to do for you:this is the MEANING of the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets”
Matthew 7 v 12
It is in the Bible:It is in Judaism and Christianity.
But it is not in the koran!
The formal absence of the Golden Rule in the koran shows that ‘allah’ has no concept of the MEANING of ‘The Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets”:allah also MISSED the 2 chief commandments {Law#1 Deuteronomy 6:4-9 Love God,Law #2 Leviticus 19:18 Love Others}which are so important that..
“The Whole law of Moses and the teachings of all the prophets depend on these 2 commandments”
Matthew 22 v 40
No doubt some islamic ‘scholar’ will{desperately} try to find some hadith from muhammed that proves otherwise but the Golden Rule and the 2 chief commandments are not to be found in the koran nor any understanding of the point of actually OBEYING the Decalogue{Exodus chapter 20} which was the whole point of the Torah.What is the koran but an instruction manual to break the Law.
If allah was the same as YHWH the law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets{whose meaning is defined as being=the Golden Rule and whose foundation laws are the 2 chief commandments} would be the same in islam as they are in Judaism and Christianity,right?
But they are NOT:allah teaches pretty much the OPPOSITE
e.g do not love thy neighbor if he is an infidel{koran 5:51}
That is some achievement for a god{allah} who wants to be considered the same as the Biblical God{whose name is actually YHWH,not allah}
The Golden Rule is a good rule for mankind,including atheists.
But note that it is missing in islam.
Lauren Hermann says
Well stated, Rufolina! You have expressed my sentiments exactly.
gravenimage says
Glad to hear this, revereridesagain. You must know that the same is true of many Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. Not all people of faith are dhimmis like this foolish Rabbi and Bishop.
We all need to stand together against the threat of Islam.
Robert Porter says
revereridesagain – the question is, do you feel morally superior, because I do, to the pathetic, cowardly, intellectually challenged Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, Rabbi Zalman Lent. For the sake of peace these disgusting excuses for men will sacrifice anything, including the truth about Isaac in order to placate the barbarians of Islam. And these disgusting Muslims knew exactly what had happened here. The West is beset by cowardice and cowards.
UVG says
Saudi ? now shifts to Ireland?
IQ al Rassooli says
Islam’s Deception: Isaac or Ishmael?
Recently, Muslims celebrated ‘Eid al-Adha’, ‘Holyday of Sacrifice’ (30th July – 3rd August). It honours the willingness of Abraham/Ibrahim to allegedly sacrifice his son Ishmael/ Ismail as an act of obedience to Allah’s command. Before Abraham could sacrifice his son however, Allah provided a lamb instead.
Numerous totally Quran ignorant non-Muslim world leaders {Politicians, Academics and Religious (Christians & Jews) from West and East}, wished the Muslims a happy holiday, NOT realizing they are aiding, abetting and perpetuating one of the most egregious lies and deceptions (among many others), perpetrated by Islam and Muslims upon humanity for the last 1400 years, that had remained unchallenged, until now.
It is a very bewildering fact that Westerners, invariably wish Muslims among them ‘happy holidays’, but never have Muslims reciprocated even though, they live in Christian majority counties. It is always a one-way street of Political Correctness gone totally insane.
What is most shocking and really perplexing of all, is the reality that from among the tens of millions of Christian theologians, historians, academicians and scholars, not a single one of them, has had the backbone to publish an article proving, that what the Muslims have been claiming for 1400 years, is pure fantasy and hogwash.
After all, the origin of this story is in the Bible/ Torah (not the Quran) where it asserts unequivocally, that Isaac was Sarah’s only son, and hence the one who was being offered for sacrifice.
What is most astounding of all, is the fact that it is Allah who tells the followers of Muhammad that it was he, who revealed the Torah (Five books of: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Chronicles & Deuteronomy) to Moses.
Al Ma’ida 5: 44 “It was We (Allah) who revealed the law (Torah to Moses); therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews by the Prophet who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah’s will by the Rabbis and the doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah’s Book and they were witnesses thereto…”
Al A’araf 7: 157 “Those who follow the apostle the unlettered prophet whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the Torah and the Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil”
In the above verses, there is NOT a single accusation against either the Jews or the Christians, that they altered their scriptures, since on the contrary, Allah is asserting to the followers of Muhammad, that it was he who had revealed both unalterable books (Torah and Gospels) to Moses and Jesus.
This article compares clearly, the TWO versions of the stories of Isaac and Ishmael; that of the original in the Bible and that in Muhammad’s Quran to match and contrast.
Genesis 22:1 “And it came to pass after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, Abraham….Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell you.
9. And they came to the place which God had told him; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
10. And Abraham stretched out his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.11. And the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham…Lay not your hand upon the lad, nor do anything to him; for now, I know that you fear God, seeing that you did not withhold your son, your only son from me; Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns”
The Biblical verses above, show repeatedly and with great precision, that it is always Isaac, and ONLY Isaac, who is considered Abraham’s foremost son, as in the repeated description “your son, your ONLY son, Isaac “.
The contorted version of this event in Muhammad’s Quran is~
Al Saffat 37: 100 “My Lord, give me one of the righteous. So We (Allah) gave him good news of a clement boy. Then, when he was old enough to accompany him, he said, “O My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you; see what you think.” He said, “O my Father, do as you are commanded; you will find me, Allah willing, one of the steadfast.”
103 Then, when they had submitted, and he put his forehead down. We (Allah) called out to him, “O Abraham! You have fulfilled the vision.” Thus We reward the doers of good. This was certainly an evident test.
112 And We gave him good news of Isaac, a prophet, one of the righteous. And We blessed him, and Isaac. But among their descendants are some who are righteous, and some who are clearly unjust to themselves. And We blessed Moses and Aaron. And We delivered them and their people (Israel) from the terrible disaster (Ten Plagues of Egypt)”
It is crystal clear that the Quran version is completely incompatible with, and different from the Biblical narrative. Moreover, the Quran does not assert or even name Ishmael as being offered for a sacrifice – as the later Muslim scholars in desperation, concocted an alternative story to cover up the discrepancies. Nor does the Quran explain which animal was to be sacrificed instead of Ishmael.
In Muhammad’s Quran, Isaac’s name appears in association with Ishmael in four Suras (2:133/136/140; 3:84; 4:163; 14:39).
Isaac’s name appears alone (without Ishmael) in association with Abraham or Jacob in eight Surahs (6:84; 11:71; 12:6; 38; 19:49; 21:72; 29:27; 37:112 & 113; 38:45).
The Quran mentions Isaac’s name on Sixteen occasions while that of Ishmael only Eight times.
It is a great insult to the human intellect, to Judeo-Christian beliefs, as well as a pitiable and pitiful endeavour, that the followers of Muhammad attempt their worst to pervert, contort and twist, Recorded History, Facts, Reality and Language in order to give themselves a worthy ancestry, by any means possible and at any cost.
According to the alleged, unsubstantiated and totally fabricated Arab Islamic ‘traditions’, and contrary to the original stories from the Biblical records, Ishmael is their ‘father’ just as Isaac was the ‘father’ of the Israelites.
It is very important that readers be aware, that the above so called Islamic ‘traditions’ did not exist in the minds or customs of the Pagan Arabians for the previous 1000 years prior to their alleged ‘revelations’ in Muhammad’s Quran (610/632 AD) and later Hadiths.
According to the fictional and unsupported Arab Muslim ‘traditions’, Abraham journeyed with the ‘baby’ Ishmael and his mother (Hagar) to the valley of Mecca and together later on raised the Foundations of the Kaaba.
Al Baqara 2:127 “And remember Abraham and Isma`il raised the foundations of the House (with this prayer): “Our Lord! accept (this service) from us for thou art the All-Hearing the All-Knowing 128 “Our Lord! make of us Muslims bowing to Thy (Will) and of our progeny a people Muslim bowing to Thy (Will)”
The falsification of history and the contorting of facts and reality are the FORTE of most of the so called ‘scholars of Islam’ since nowhere in the whole of the Torah/ Bible, are the names of Arabia, Mecca and Kaaba mentioned or that Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael ever set foot in Arabia.
These ‘scholars’ know full well, that there exists no such ‘Arab tradition’ anywhere in neither the pagan Arabian records nor in the Oral traditions of these Arabs to substantiate any of their contentions.
If the Muslim scholars are correct, then Allah must have spoken Hebrew to Abraham and the first language heard near the Kaaba was therefore Hebrew, not Arabic.
It is an extreme measure of their intellectual and theological desperation, that the Muslim scholars even contradict their Quran which otherwise asserts in several verses, that neither Muhammad nor the Pagan Arabs had any knowledge of previous revelations (the Hebrew Bible and New Testament)
Al Baqara 2:78 “And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book [ummiyoona la ya’lamoona’l kitaba]”
The God of the Bible, made it crystal clear to Abraham by emphasizing that his ‘only son Isaac’ – the one from his wife Sarah, and not from his concubine Hagar – was to be sacrificed, thus eliminating Ishmael from both the attempted sacrifice as well as from the blessing of inheriting the Promised Land.
Muslims have therefore been confronted for the last 1400 years by an extremely serious and monumental dilemma (there are another 28 of them in the Quran); either the Bible is false or the Quran is. Both, cannot be correct when they are giving conflicting versions of the same events.
Since the Bible preceded the Quran by at least 2100 years, one has to believe that the angel Gabriel gave Muhammad a completely altered version of the Torah from what was given to Moses ‘face to face’ by the Almighty and not passed down second hand and adulterated by any intermediary as is the case with the Quran.
More important than the antiquities of the Torah and Gospels is the indisputable fact, that Allah repeatedly asserts in the Quran, that it was he who revealed the Torah to Moses, and it is in that very Torah that the stories of Abraham, Isaac and Ismael are recorded that utterly controvert the version in Muhammad’s Quran.
One has therefore to assume, that Allah repeatedly and wilfully misguided Gabriel’s transmissions to Muhammad, by deliberately changing his previous revelations to Moses, which is inconceivable.
Since it is impossible to believe, that ANY Omniscient, Merciful and Compassionate God would have ever revealed all the Discrepancies, Hatemongering, Warmongering, Discrimination, Grammatical Errors, as well as the Historical and Character dislocations, Intolerance, Mendacities, Abnormalities, Inconsistencies and Time and Space Displacements that permeate the Quranic versions of the Biblical events, then only ONE conclusion can be possible.
That every letter, every word, every verse/aya and every chapter/surah in the Quran, are the product of Muhammad’s personal thoughts and imaginings, the secretions of his confused mind, based upon his distorted recollections of stories and tales he had heard from Jewish and Christian individuals.
The Quran actually represents Muhammad’s own alter ego, his auto-biography, but very cleverly projected into the unsuspecting mouths of Allah and Gabriel, to give them the aura of sanctity and divinity.
For the 10th time and based entirely on different verses, we have demonstrated that it is the Quran that proves beyond a shadow or even a reasonable doubt, that Allah is most definitely NOT the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
In conclusion: The author of the Quran was the ventriloquist Muhammad, wherein Allah, Satan and Gabriel were and are his voices over.
Therefore, Muhammad, Allah, Gabriel and Satan are all Muhammad himself.
Islam is after all, not an Abrahamic revealed religion, but a Cult belief system; the Cult of Muhammad, and not a single Muslim from among 1,500,000,000, can prove anything in this article either wrong or untrue, because Muslims can never win a debate under the full light of knowledge, but only under the darkest abyss of other peoples’ ignorance.
IQ al Rassooli
owensgate says
It’s interesting to note that Isaac was 30 years old when he and Abraham went up to perform the “sacrifice”. I wonder if Ishmael’s age is mentioned in the koran.
gravenimage says
Good post, IQ al Rassooli. And so good to see you posting again!
IQ al Rassooli says
Thank you for your kind remarks
What is most perplexing and sickening is the complete lack of knowledge among ALL the Christian leaders vis a vis Islam
Islam HATES Christianity because of its Trinity and it holds Christians with abhorrence and contempt because of it; yet pope Francis and all the leaders of Protestants are begging Muslims to be NICE to them!!!
The intellectual and theological disconnect are complete
IQ
gravenimage says
All too true.
Michael Copeland says
In their prayers muslims say:
“Peace be to YOU, O Mohammed”.
David Wood asks what attribute would Mohammed need in order to be PRAYED to?
See: “Why Muslims pray to Muhammad” (David Wood) on youtube
Sylvia Drummond says
Thank you for enlightening us. With regard to the good wishes sent to muslims from other faiths, governments etc,who believe that treating these barbarians with hospitable kindness will induce the same sentiments. I cannot be the only brit who squirmed in anger at the unctuous words of Prince Charles as he commended muslims for ‘the immense contribution they had made to the UK.’ These people regard such statements as weakness so solid is their belief in their superiority to a Christian country. Their cult belief system is despised and hated, it has brought barbaric halal butcheries to a humane society and sharia law where women have fought hard for their freedom. They have driven vehicles into innocent people, stabbed them in broad daylight, left bombs on trains and buses and yet they live amongst us, taking the rewards of a civilised society and trying to inflict their barbarism upon it with, it seems, the blessing of the governmen
Keith O says
These two fools (Lent & Martin) bring into stark reality the jokes about the lack of intelligence of the Irish people. And yeah, along with my Aboriginal & Germanic heritage I have Irish.
The other thing that I find slightly disconcerting is that the term croak means dead. Different spelling, but spoken the same. Was this lost on the Catholic Bishop and the Rabbi? But not lost at all on the Islamists.
And something they found fitting.
John says
“Islamic holy book” Mr. Spencer? It seems rather unholy to me.
Rufolino says
(“Holy” to them.)
owensgate says
“Today our celebration is a gesture of recognizing publicly the place of the Muslim community as an integral part of the family of the Irish and to recognize the contribution of your Muslim community to the Ireland of today and to the Ireland of tomorrow.”
Idiocy like this must be deliberate; no supposed Catholic above lay could ceremoniously or religiously be involved with this if they were Biblically astute, and knew that the Akedah was the most amazing “type” of prophetic announcement of the Savior, Jesus, in the whole Bible. Sacrifice of Ishmael, indeed. He should be de-frocked, at the very minimum. His attitude and false teaching is taking too many of his parishioners with him to Hell.
FYI says
Superb article from Mr Spencer that perfectly exposes the lunacy of the Leftist Jews and the craven Christians in their idiotic pandering to islam.
No one has done more to undermine Catholicism and weaken Christianity in Ireland than the morally bankrupt Irish Catholic Church hierarchy with people like Martin at the top.A faith maintained through centuries was sabotaged by such men:how on earth do they imagine they will get past Jesus Christ?
{Matthew chpt 23 what Jesus thinks of religious hierarchys:it applies today}
The authentic Christianity of St Patrick will hopefully survive despite the best efforts of those Whited Sepulches,be they Catholic or Protestant clergymen ,who publicly bear FALSE WITNESS.
The lunacy of Jewish rabbis thinking muslims are their brothers beggars belief.
{koran 98:6 Jews and Christians are ‘the WORST’ of created beings’ koran 5:51 ‘take not the Jews and christians for friends”}
{As for muslims ‘praying’ in public as this display was surely all about…
according to allah in the koran, muslims who ‘pray’ in public to be ‘seen of men’ are….HYPOCRITES
koran 4:142}
Rufolino says
You would be completely amazed at “what gets past Jesus Christ”.
He hates the sin but he loves the sinner, I’m living proof.
FYI says
Fair enough.
But Jesus Christ is not so tolerant of religious hierarchies who lead people astray by Doctrinaire teachings or their abject failure to preach what they are supposed to teach.
If these clergymen claim to be christians,then they should surely be preaching the Gospel to the muslims{as they are under an obligation to do} and certainly not pander to them.
If you read Matthew chapter 23 you will be amazed at the ferocity of the condemnations:and these condemnations apply today as they did then.
gravenimage says
A Jewish Rabbi and a Catholic Bishop Walked into a Mosque…
……………..
I just *wish* this was a joke…
Datpo says
The problem is the Catholic hierarchy want to Martyr all is member in a vain hope of ushering the second coming while hoping doing this will make the clergy safe from be-headings.
gravenimage says
This is *just silly*. There is no indication that Archbishop Martin recognizes Islam as a threat, and certainly not that it will lead to the martyrdom of many Christians.
Besides, I doubt that dhimmis like him would become martyrs–he would probably convert to Islam in a heartbeat if threatened.
Kepha says
This God-bless-King-Billy (van Oranje) Evangelical Protestant is as dismayed as any here, but maybe not as surprised.
To much of the ostensibly “Christian” leadership of this world has been bending over backwards to deny the traditional belief that the death of Jesus Christ for the sins of his people is non-negotiable. Jesus’ true, body-and-soul resurrection on the third day is also non-negotiable. These blind leaders of the blind, however, think they’re reducing all to a “simple”, common morality, but if you examine their beliefs, you’ll see they’re quick to roll over and play dead at every secular challenge. Notice how quick they were to accept LGBTQ as well.
vcragain says
Really ? Once you have put yourself into a ‘considering’ mode on this subject of religions, you realize that they are all the same…maybe a few nuggets of truth in there, and lots of very fervent believers, but shouldn’t you as a thinking human be ‘hedging your bets’ and giving yourself the freedom to NOT get pulled into any other human’s concept of what is ‘truth’…..you alone are responsible for your decisions, and I personally have no intention of letting someone like a Priest or Imam tell me what I should be believing or joining in with. If you want me to believe in you dear Lord you can speak to me personally, I’m here & listening, but I will not be steered into anybody’s concept of something that demands they are right – especially when it involves giving up any concept of humanity to all other humans, whether LGBGT or whatever, there has to be love to all who find themselves in strange circumstances through no fault of their own. What will you do when one of your own family is shown to belong to that group – get hysterical & mean, show what you are really made of under that sheen of religiosity, banish them from your ‘loving’ family ?
gravenimage says
vcragain wrote:
Really ? Once you have put yourself into a ‘considering’ mode on this subject of religions, you realize that they are all the same…
…………….
Do you *really* believe that “love thy neighbor as thyself” is no different from “slay them wherever you find them”?
You need not be religious to see that there is a great difference between faiths and their outcomes.
Rufolino says
Obviously this forum isn’t as tolerant of gay people as it claims.
An obsession with sexual sin is cringe-making. Who is perfectly innocent, is what I’d like to know !
There are much worse sins, and many of them. Hypocrisy heads the list.
Reziac says
Most here don’t care one way or the other what you do in private.
However, the moment you require others to promote and *celebrate* your private behavior — that is precisely what Islam requires of dhimmis, and is not tolerated by a sane people.
Some protestant sects (even major ones, like one of the Lutheran synods) are now promoting and celebrating LBQTetc by pushing preaching of same into the pulpit, and making it the focus of church life; in fact, some have even said (and I quote one such) “God has no place in this church”. How is that what ANY form of Christianity is supposed to be about?
Kepha says
Nobody’s innocent of sexual sin–and many others. That’s one reason our salvation depends on the incarnation of God the Word, his working righteousness on our behalf, his sacrificial death on the cross, and resurrection on the third day.
Who’s asking churches to celebrate his sin here, rather than seeing in churches worth their name hospitals for sinners?
gravenimage says
Rufolino, this site regularly reports on and condemns Jihad terror against gay people.
somehistory says
It is obvious that Truth does not matter to these “wolves in sheep’s clothing.” They are howling “together” and have made themselves “brothers” to the moslims who lie for a ‘living.”
They are having their reward in full.” Soon to come….their Judgment for every action and lying word.
Antiislamicman says
How can they sit with the devil
Janice Mermikli says
Because they are the “blind guides” of Mattthew 15:14.
Janice Mermikli says
As Jesus says in Matthew 15:14, “Leave them, they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Terence says
It is not the Catholic Church I grew up in.
Giacomo Latta says
Surely there must be some video of this event where, at the time when Archbishop Martin begins his jibberish, two muslim heavies look at each other stunned and shake their heads. The entire world must be stunned by this.
Reziac says
I’ve changed a few minds re the true nature of Islam, merely by quoting directly from Holy Quran and letting ’em draw their own conclusions. Methinks Archbishop Martin has never read any of it for himself, but only knows what he’s learned from practitioners of taqqiya. “Allah is the best of deceivers.”
gravenimage says
Most likely, Reziac.
Mauricio says
As an Orthodox Christian, I get concerned when some orthodox Prelates send congratulations to muslims in their feast days, example:
https://orthodoxtimes.com/message-from-archbishop-of-america-to-muslims-for-eid-al-adha/
But at least they don’t personally assist to their celebrations, as long as I know.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is disturbing, as well. We have also seen some Orthodox leaders lauding Islam for its horrifying “morality”:
“Four Principles from Patriarch Kirill on Islam, Western Immorality, and Interfaith Dialogue”
https://myocn.net/four-principles-patriarch-kirill-islam-western-immorality-interfaith-dialogue/
“The Moscow Patriarchate looks forward to continued dialogue and strengthened relations with Muslim leaders, especially given the rapid decline of morality in the West.”
And this absurdity:
“Islamist violence is contrary to the true principles of Islam.”
Mauricio says
Thanks for your reply. Since 2018 the russian Orthodox Church have been separating themselves, and even “boycotting” the Ecumenical Patriarchate, so I kind of ignore the bad decisions and messages from Patriarch Kirill. It’s good to know, though, what his stance on this topic is, which I didn’t know by the way.
gravenimage says
I’m sad to see it.
OLD GUY says
What did he hope to accomplish? Muslims/islamic Muhammad followers see Christians as slaves or useful only to do services for them not as equals.
SuchindranathAiyerS says
https://www.wionews.com/world/chinese-pressure-pope-francis-remains-silent-on-uighur-muslims-319565
gravenimage says
Yes–this story has been covered here.