This is the pattern for how the Anglosphere will discard the freedom of speech and move into a new era of authoritarianism. And there are two primary problems here:
1. The Crimes Act will make it “illegal to intentionally stir up hatred against racial or religious groups.” But who will determine whether or not this hatred was stirred up “intentionally” or not? Who can judge anyone else’s intentions? This is just opening the door to governing authorities being empowered to silence anyone they wish, under the pretext that he or she is stirring up hatred. So it’s starting New Zealand on the way to becoming a totalitarian state.
2. The Left and Islamic supremacist groups have insisted for years that to speak about Islam’s teachings regarding jihad violence and the oppression of women, gays and others is to stir up hatred against Muslims. There is no reason why this should be so. If it were, then criticism of any group whatsoever, or honest analysis of any teachings that contain genuine incitement to violence, could also be considered to be stirring up hatred, and silenced accordingly. But since it is taken for granted in the establishment media and even by many governing authorities that to discuss Islam’s violent and oppressive teachings is to stir up hatred, that discussion will be silenced, and jihadis will be able to advance unopposed and unimpeded.
Ardern is doing this, of course, because of the Christchurch mosque massacres. They reinforced the idea that criticism of Islam leads to violence, even criticism that rejects any violence or vigilantism, as well as any targeting of innocent people at all. Yet thirty thousand jihad attacks committed in the name of Islam and in accord with its teachings since 9/11 have not convinced Ardern or any other governing authority that criticism of the infidels, as well as direct calls for violence against them, leads to violence, and must accordingly be silenced. That would be “Islamophobic.”
The contradictions and illogic of all this are glaring, but they won’t stop Ardern from destroying New Zealand as a free society.
“Christchurch mosque attacks: Jacinda Ardern promises to close ‘gaps in hate speech legislation,'” by Craig McCulloch, NZ Herald, December 8, 2020:
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s hope for political consensus regarding hate speech law is looking doubtful as the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Christchurch terror attack reignites the debate.
The 800-page report includes a recommendation to create a new offence under the Crimes Act, making it illegal to intentionally stir up hatred against racial or religious groups.
In a speech in Parliament on Tuesday, Ardern promised to work with all parties to try to close “the gaps in hate speech legislation”.
“I know this is a contentious area, and we will work with determination to try form that consensus if we can.”
But soon after, National leader Judith Collins told reporters Ardern would have to provide “a very compelling reason” to win her MPs’ support.
“As a party, we certainly do not support people being criminalised for unwise statements when they should be basically spoken to,” Collins said.
“You can’t legislate people’s thoughts … we wouldn’t want to drive underground thoughts or statements that could then lead to … violence.”…
Christopher says
This can mean the banning of the Qur’an and other religious books preaching hate.
gravenimage says
Don’t hold your breath, Christopher.
John says
+1
J says
PRECISELY! use their semantics and methods—point out any hate speech you find and how its causing hatred and violence (dont mention its islam, call it wahab or salifi or misoogynists etc). THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO USE THE LEGISLATION TO STOP IT!
Michael Copeland says
“Muslims …must have … enmity and hatred of …kaffirs” – islamqa.com
“Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us” – Osama bin Laden
“You should hate them, disown them and their religion” – Alminbar
“No one loves the kuffaar. We hate kuffaar” – Abu Usama, B’ham,
“As a Muslim I must have hatred for everything non-Islam” – Choudary
https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/02/islams-agenda-muslims-speak/
gravenimage says
All true, Michael.
Sam says
1.8 billion people (the muslims) KNOW that their Quran is a book that teaches love, so, believing the garbage you and ilk are spewing continuously is foolish.
This is how every chapter in the Quran starts ” in the name of God, the most MERCIFUL and most COMPASSIONATE ” , and accordingly, 99.99% of the woman’s 1.8 try the best of their best to be compassi9nate, loving and caring, unlike the forces that murdered and is still murdering and stealing their natural resources as we speak, Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Libya amongst few ,are a tiny example of what your loving books teaches you … haha …
The Istanbulian says
It is currently turkey who is meddling and stealing the most in syria, libya, and many other muslim places…
gravenimage says
Mortimer, below, enumerates how “loving” the savage Qur’an is:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/12/new-zealand-crimes-act-will-make-illegal-to-intentionally-stir-up-hatred-against-racial-or-religious-groups#comment-2302646
This is why we’ve had almost 40,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11.
mortimer says
Agree with Christopher: the Koran may be banned under such a law. There is more hate and solicitation of violence in the Koran than any other religious text.
Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and fighting “to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.”
“What is striking is not in itself that one can find murderous passages in the Islamic texts, as such passages can also be found in other religions. But it is striking how much space these passages take up in the Islamic texts, and how much they focus on an us-and-them logic in which infidels and apostates are characterized as dirty, rotten, criminal, hypocritical and dangerous. It is also striking how much these texts demand that the reader fight the infidels, both with words and with the sword. In many passages, Muhammad plays a central role as one who encourages the use of violence, whether it comes to stonings, beheadings, acts of war or execution of critics and poets.”
Tina Magaard finds it particularly objectionable that so many Islamic scholars in her opinion knowingly fail to disclose these facts, and use their positions of power to create specific standards for what you can say
Del says
I hope this passes. Take a look at Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada (easy to do) and see how those Sections clearly describe the Koran. It is clearly hate literature as the Koran meets every definition.
A Canadian Human Rights tribunal ruled the Koran was not Hate Literature as it was a religious document. The Tribunal decision was wrong because Islam is not a “religion”, but a theocracy. Huge difference.
This Legislation will make it illegal for Muslims and Imams to preach hatred and violence against infidels. Thank God.
Bar Chichi says
You are right Chris. It means banning Islam because it preaches and incites violence. Let them go ahead.
gravenimage says
New Zealand Crimes Act will make illegal to ‘intentionally stir up hatred against racial or religious groups’
………………
In other words, if you dare cite the violence of Islam you can be fined and imprisoned–but that Islamic violence won;t get any attention.
Craven crushing of freedom of speech.
mortimer says
Agree … but Muslim hatred directed against the kufaar will not be ‘crushed’, for it is in the Koran.
ISLAMIC TEXTS THAT CLEARLY INCITE HATRED TOWARDS NON-MUSLIMS
Koran 60:4 “We have REJECTED you, and there has arisen between us and you ENMITY and HATRED, until you believe and worship Allaah alone.”
Koran 40:35 “They who dispute the signs (verses) of Allah without authority having reached them are GREATLY HATED by Allah and the believers.” (Note: not just “hated”, but “greatly hated”.)
Koran 28:86 “Do not support the kafireen in any way.”
Koran 5.51 “He amongst you who turns to them (turns in friendship to the kafirs) is of them.”
Koran 48:29: “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are VIOLENT to the kafirs, but compassionate to one another.”
Koran 4: 101 “The kafirs are for you a CLEAR ENEMY.”
Koran 8:60 “TERRORIZE the ENEMY of Allah and your enemy”
Koran 3: 118 “O you who believe! Do not take into your intimacy those outside your ranks. They will not fail to corrupt you.”
– Interpretation of K.60.4: “Indeed you have a good example in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: We are FREE of you and all that you worship beside Allaah…” (i.e. free from the ‘disease’ of rejecting Islam).
The Koran dehumanizes non-Muslims and mandates warfare against other religious groups … so the proposed law would criminalize Islam.
Del says
https://thereligionofpeace.com/
A current, accurate and running record of Muslim violence around the world. Absolutely shocking.
somehistory says
This idiot woman…looks kind of like a man in photos…put on a scarf after the “attacks.”
Now, she is going even farther with bowing to islam. Of course, the main offenders in “hate speech” against religion is committed by moslims. They engage every day of the week in calling for the slaughter of Jews and Christians and anyone who “offends” them by telling the Truth or refusing to bow to their fake ‘prophet.’
We all know that moslims don’t feel that they have to obey the laws of any land in which they are invaders. So, why do those in charge wish to make laws that only protect those who cause the most “offense” against others?
moslims are demanding these laws so they can say and do whatever they please and everyone else has to shut up and keep silent regarding islam, even when one is only repeating what moslims themselves say…such as the bag of slug slime raped a child, murdered a lot of people, raped a lot of women, lied and lied, and commanded his followers to do the same, etc.
To tell the Truth about islam and its fake prophet is only hate speech to moslims when non moslims say it. Anyone with a working brain should know that by now.
carpediadem says
Ardern certainly didn’t care about the antisemitism exhibited by one of the Mosque imams at the rally for the victims. Hate speech against Jews is OK.
Peter35 says
They (moslems) are Ardern’s darlings and can do no wrong—nor are they doing any wrong at the moment, since they are still milking the post shooting love-in for all they are worth, but as we all know—just wait….
I worry about my native NZ countrymen and women; why are they so appallingly ignorant of the murder of tens of thousands of non-moslems throughout the world, and why would they react so stupidly when someone says ‘enough’ and shoots 51 of them?
Yes, Ardern almost certainly has her sights on the U.N. for a high-paying gravy job, so do countless other leftist political moslem-hugging clods—Erna Solberg of Norway is one such traitor, who is making her own country a hell on earth for native Norwegians who can be beaten, robbed, raped and murdered by moslems, but are NOT. allowed to retaliate. And that, Kiwis, is what you have to look forward to in the future!
newsupplements says
You are not allowed by law to mind that there is a movement around you that is coming to decapitate you or rape your children because they have a religious right to do so? laws put there by people who despise you while treating themselves to the lions share of all available public money. Figures.
PRCS says
Per the NZ Herald, passage of her proposal is ‘doubtful’, as there is much opposition to it. Let’s hope it does fail.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s hope for political consensus regarding hate speech law is looking doubtul as the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Christchurch terror attack reignites the debate.
Mount Zion says
People should take to the streets and protest against a Prime Minister who doesn’t know a thing about Islam and their supremacist ideology . Demand for her to be replaced , to be removed as Prime Minister .It’s so absurd , when muslims harm fisically by raping or bombing or vehicular jihad or who the hell knows in what other way then the answer is basically to keep them letting into western countries , on the other hand when westerner point out this hatred against infidels than we are beeing punished by beeing silenced trough this proposed legislation . The world is upside down , ask for this PM to be fired and never again hold a political position.
PRCS says
Let me modify that plan–if you don’t mind:
New Zealanders should take to the streets–before that bill has a chance to pass–in front of Wellington’s Parliament building with professional grade signs listing each and every Qur’an passage which is antithetical to and/or incompatible with that nation’s man-made laws.
IMO, that might be the only way to expose their politicians and neighbors to the truth about Islam.
Michael Copeland says
Print your own pocket leaflet: “Kill Them”:
https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/11/kill-them-muslims-explain/
PRCS says
Yes, thanks.
Pass them out to the crowd while displaying signs large enough for their politicians to see.
JMB says
It would appear that the NZ PM & the Canadian PM would have a lot in common, young, trendy and with some sort of pathological dislike of the status quo, in other words both of their respective nations traditional white Anglo society. However, in today’s NZ you will see huge numbers of Indians, South East Asians, Chinese (Students, businessmen & investors) as well a Muslims and lots of Pacific Islanders all looking for a better life. Now a typical comment in NZ is; The local indigenous people (Maori) wont work that is why we need to import all of these foreigners, not happy! Now there is another problem in NZ rightly of wrongly being blamed on migrants, and this is a acute housing shortage. Again it seems that the easiest way to stifle debate be it on immigration, Islamic crime, Maori and Pacific Islander crime (it is bad) or the serious housing crisis is to introduce hate speech legislation.
Infidel says
Looks like New Zealand is completely lost. I was somewhat surprised when New Zealand took Australia’s side against China’s, but other than that, that country has been flushed
What is it about Maoris not working? That’s the same lame excuse used to rationalize immigration of cheap labor, b’cos local labor is not available at those slave rates that foreign labor is. But all that is besides the point: if they think Maoris lack a work ethic, just wait till they see the work ethic of Muslims
Valkyrie Ziege says
; Any one, or group, which have to legislate people against “hating” them, have failed at their one job in life, being a decent human-being.
Kepha says
+777,777,777
gravenimage says
Generally true, Valkyrie–unless you are talking about groups unjustly hated, like the Jews during the Holocaust.
Very different situation with ravening violent Muslims, though.
James Lincoln says
If Heat (1995) were made today, I wonder if Neil would still want to take Eady and flee to New Zealand after the final big score.
Maybe Poland or Hungary…
Westman says
This legislation will end on the scrap pile of bad ideas.
It does not represent this society of brave men who might play Rugby on the weekend or Maoris who might just have a war club in the closet. I’ve lived with New Zealanders in their country and am quite assured that these self-sufficient people will not drink the KoolAide of cancel culture and exalting minorities. They are very tolerant until you start trying to limit them.
If it means anything, it will be the end of re-election hopes for Jacinda Ardern.
Infidel says
Except that NZ doesn’t have even a center-right party: all their parties range from Left to Center. So Ardern getting defeated won’t change a thing for that country
Josephus says
Anti-Semitism in all its covert glory: How DID MUSLIMS SUDDENLY BECOME ‘PALESTINIANS’ after 2,000 YEARS? SHOCKER: https://www.quora.com/How-DID-MUSLIMS-SUDDENLY-become-PALESTINANS-after-2-000-YEARS/answer/Joseph-Shellim
tim gallagher says
In a democracy, the people do get the government they deserve. Admittedly, most of the media will try to get the left wing politicians elected. But Ardern was recently re-elected very easily. I think she is hopeless, but I guess most New Zealanders think she is OK. Across the ditch, in Australia, the left wingers, the Labor government, were recently re-elected in Queensland. Again, I think that they are a hopeless government, who are building up a massive debt, but, there you go, apparently the Queenslanders think that mob of buffoons are OK. As a more conservative person, I find Ardern and her government are appalling and ditto for the Queensland state government, but I guess I am way out of step with the majority of the population in both places.
Infidel says
Tim, am I right in suspecting that the western half of Australia, including Northern Territory, is conservative while the Eastern half – Queensland, Victoria, NSW, Tasmania and South Australia – are more left leaning?
JMB says
Hello Infidel; There is an element of truth in what you have said. Generally speaking business owners, primary producers, miners, industrialists and those who are concerned about inappropriate immigration including Muslims tend to vote conservative. However all the trendy people and the trade unionists who live in the big cities on the eastern seaboard tend to vote for Labor and its socially progressive policies! We have a conservative Federal Government in Canberra which among other matters takes a strong stand against illegal immigration and at present is upping it’s anti-China rhetoric.
peace says
Austrailia is only pretending to be grumpy at China, if they were serious they would stop selling them coal (4 ships per day) & Iron Ore (billions of $’s per year)
Stopping selling China those things would stop their economy quick smart, and do something realistic about the pollution,
Infidel says
peace, I fully agree. Australia should retaliate at the wine tariffs w/ a complete shutdown, and do a rip and replace of all Chinese infrastructure: it would also send employment sky-high
Another thing: food. Right now, China is buying rice from India at prices lower then other countries b’cos the other countries that it buys from can no longer sell. India, US, Australia, Vietnam and all of China’s other regional rivals should just impose complete sanctions – including food and see how long they last. Already, the CPC is telling their people how much to eat, how much restaurants can order and so on. Make that crisis more acute so that you have civil unrest throughout that country, potentially threatening Chairman Xi
That’s the only way I can see to bring them down w/o a war
Infidel says
So, in summary, Western Australia is the only conservative state in the country? It’s a wonder that the federal government is right-of-center
tim gallagher says
Infidel, I’d say JMB is spot on. Personally, I have trouble following it. Take the state of Queensland for example. I generally have thought of that state as being pretty conservative and it did have a conservative government for ages( although I guess that that was a long time ago) Lately, it keeps voting the Labor government there back in. Whether this is because of a demographic change, that is that a lot of left wing types may have moved up there from NSW and from Victoria. In parts of Queensland there are definitely conservatives (up in the north and rural areas of the state.) Where I live in New South Wales (NSW) we have a reasonably sensible Liberal (ie our conservatives) government. However, the Liberals have been infiltrated by many left wing, greenie types. Victoria is considered the most left wing state. It seems to keep returning Labor Governments all the time. Not sure why. Maybe all the lefties know to go and live there to be amongst their fellow left wingers. I guess Western Australia would be more conservative. Northern Territory would tend to vote for Labor I think because it doesn’t really pay its way and I think would think a Labor government would throw more money at the state. In cities everywhere, the inner city suburbs (certainly in Sydney where I live) are full of the trendy, greenie types. South Australia is a bit of a basket case economically. I will conclude by saying that the normal Labor voters, workers such as miners, etc, are ditching the Labor party somewhat because Labor has gone far left and wants to end coal mining, etc, so the old working class are getting pissed off with Labor, whereas the inner city trendies love its green policies. That is the situation in Australia as far as I can understand it.
peace says
Tim, Adern is actually “less hopeless” than the National Party, the conservatives, like all politicians they are full of BS and pandering and grandstanding,
Adern is what I’d call as “gently left”, on most subjects, although, I think completely over the top with these grandstanding muslims
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comment, peace. Yes, I haven’t taken all that much notice of Ardern apart from her way over the top carry on over the Muslims. I suppose i can see that that massacre was an appalling event in New Zealand and therefore I can understand some of her reaction, but, to me, i just thought, well, Muslims are endlessly murdering non-Muslims in terrorist attacks all over the world on a daily basis and I could feel very little sympathy when the Muslims copped some of their own medicine back. Muslims so often behave disgustingly and murderously towards non-Muslims that I can never muster sympathy for them. And despite their terrible behaviour, Muslims, as is often pointed out by people here at Jihad Watch, always try to portray themselves as some kind of innocent victims if anything is done to them.
Check Burry says
I totally agree.
Lauren Hermann says
DITTO, Tim G!
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Check, Lauren, Aussie Infidel, James, Rob and Infidel. Yes, Check and Lauren, as i said, I can’t go along with this sympathy Muslims get when someone attacks them. What goes around comes around. If Muslims would stop behaving appallingly towards non-Muslims, then maybe they wouldn’t cop the occasional attack on them. It’ll never happen, of course, because of all that hate in the Koran and in the mindset of Muslims. James, you are right about how dodgy the USA election seems to be. The New Zealand election was an easy win for Ardern so there’s no controversy there. Same with the recent Queensland election. Rob, I think you are right. I could imagine Ardern moving on to the UN. She would fit right in at that useless organisation. Aussie Infidel, I agree with your summary of how Labor won the recent election. Definitely all about the Covid virus, but they have probably wrecked the economy by shutting things down so severely. I agree with your saying that we don’t hear calls for sympathy for the endless victims of Muslim murderers, but Muslims cop so much sympathy. It annoys me a lot, (I don’t like the double standards, the hypocrisy) but I don’t feel this strange sympathy that so many people seem to feel for the Muslims when they get attacked. Oh, also, Infidel, Australia doesn’t have any really hardline, tough conservative political groups that do well. Many of the ministers in our middle of the road conservative government are fairly soft, left wing types of people. I suppose Australians, since our standard of living is fairly high, don’t go for extremes. As a conservative, I like the tougher politicians, ( and commentators also) such as Peter Dutton and some others, but most Australians probably wouldn’t see things the way I do. The right of centre government that you mention, up above, is pretty mild, I think, on most issues.
Aussie Infidel says
Tim, As a born and bred Queenslander, it pains me to admit that you are right – well partly at least. Not all of us north of the 29th parallel have gone troppo and support our leftist state government. The main reason Labor got back in recently, was that Premier Palaszczuk campaigned on her handling of the Covid crisis. The authoritarian way she kept the border closed – read ‘strong leadership’ – resulted in one of the lowest infection rates in the world, but it also ruined many businesses and added some $18 billion to our state debt. Nevertheless, Palace Chook* (as she
is known locally) received massive support from older people (the most susceptible), because of the fear factor. And would you believe that this bunch of brain dead socialists also contracted to have our election software provided by a Chinese company (read the CCP).
* (chook – a colloquialism for ‘chicken’)
However, I agree that Jacinda Ardern in NZ is hopeless and a dhimmi apologist for the Muslims who have infiltrated her country. There would be few people who would agree with what Brenton Tarrant did, shooting people at random in the Christchurch mosque. But Ardern went all the way in her show of sympathy for the Muslims, by wearing a hijab at a ceremony and broadcasting the Adhan (Call to Prayer) over Radio NZ; but I didn’t hear any expressions of sympathy for the hundred or so victims killed by Muslim jihadis around the world during that same week.
BTW, Ardern once worked as a policy advisor to British PM Tony Blair when she worked in the UK. And we know that Blair was responsible for one of the greatest influxes of Muslims into the UK. I’ve often wondered whether that coloured her outlook – or if she is just chasing Muslim votes?
James Lincoln says
tim gallagher says,
“In a democracy, the people do get the government they deserve.”
To the extent that the elections are “free and fair”, your statement is correct.
Free and fair elections are the foundation of every healthy democracy, ensuring that government authority derives from the “will of the people”.
But…
Very unfortunately, the 2020 US presidential election was not “free and fair”….
Rob says
Ardern has her eye on the UN.
She will need Muslim bloc support for that. She will also need China’s. Accordingly, our response to the Australian wine issue is very carefully calibrated. I suspect it may have been cleared with BJ ahead of time.
The post about slowly squeezing the Chinese on iron ore is a good one. Au supplies about 70 percent of China’s needs. I’ve written to one of our dailies suggesting a slow cutback on supply.
underbed cat says
New Zealand I think you are confused, it the violence and killing that should not be tolerated by a political movement that hides under religious protection to kill, not the speech of factual commands of a book that shines a dark light. What religion calls for killing and teaches that it justifies it? You are now under the control of terror and too fighten to challenge the right to life and truthful speech?
Lt Mason says
Good luck to closing the gap in “the gaps in hate speech legislation”!
The OIC’s purpose, as stated explicitly in its April 2011 4th Annual Report on Islamophobia, is to criminalize “incitement to hatred and violence on religious grounds.” Incitement is to be defined by applying the “test of consequences” to speech. Under this twisted perversion of falsely “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” it doesn’t matter what someone actually says — or even whether it is true or not; if someone else commits violence and says it’s because of something that person said, THE SPEAKER WILL BE HELD CRIMINALLY LIABLE.
https://mediachecker.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/islamic-world-tells-clinton-defamation-of-islam-must-be-prevented-in-america/
tgusa says
There are quite a few western leaders both male and female that are going around acting as if they are kindergarten teachers and their adult constituencies are their students. All I have to say to them is shut up already.
Rob Callow says
That means if I speak the truth and explain that Islam is pure evil then I will become a criminal. Time is indeed fast running out for freedom.
Robert Callow says
“under the guise of keeping us all safe with anti-terrorist laws, the globalists will see all citizens gradually and incrementally lose their civil liberties preventing any dissent against either the government or the ruling elite who give the government their orders.”
Check Burry says
Will it apply to muslims, they seem well in front in the smiting, inciting race to the bottom.
Suchindranath Aiyer (@Suchindranath) says
New Zealand law: BUT, Quran and Hadith intentionally stir up hatred against adhrents of all other faiths. Will they be banned?
Aussie Infidel says
Suchindranath, We couldn’t have that. The Quran is a ‘holy’ book! That would be Islamophobia!
mortimer says
HATE IS A PREDOMINANT THEME IN THE KORAN
There are over 400 references in the Koran to hate, over 300 references in the Koran to Allah and FEAR, but there are only 49 references to love. Of these love references, 39 are negative such as the 14 negative references to love of money, power, other gods and status.
Three verses command humanity to love Allah and only 2 verses are about how Allah loves a believer. There are 25 verses about how Allah does NOT love kafirs (disbelievers).
This leaves 5 verses about love. Of these 5 verses, 3 are about loving kin or a Muslim brother. One verse commands a Muslim to give money for the love of Allah. This leaves only one quasi-universal verse about love: give what you love to zakat-charity and even this is contaminated by dualism since Muslim zakat-charity only goes to other Muslims. There are OVER 400 teachings of HATE directed against all disbelievers: Jews, Christians, Idolaters and Kafirs.
So much for love. HATE and FEAR are what Allah demands in the Koran.
mortimer says
Jacinda Ardern is a shallow fool.
egrstars says
Muslims are the ones who stir up hatred against themselves by their violence and hate toward non-Muslims .and
Crusades Were Right says
“Islamophobe” “far right” “white nationalist”
THESE are words that are “intentionally” used to “stir up hatred against racial or religious groups”, Ms Ardern!
Peter Clemerson says
I believe Robert and quite a few of the posters above are reacting too early and anticipating more restrictive legislation than is contemplated by the Royal Commission. Perhaps, to be generous, these comments and opinions should be treated as warnings rather than confident predictions.
Note the phrasing that Robert quotes from the Royal Commission: the proposed changes to The Crimes Act will make it “illegal to intentionally stir up hatred against racial or religious groups”.
The NZ Humanists, of whom I am a member, distinguish between protection of people and protection of an ideology. The quote from the RC report above makes it clear that this distinction has been made by the RC as well: the intention is to provide some protection to people rather than to their religion. Of course, until the proposed legislation is published, it can not be known whether the NZ government will attempt to include both in its protection. Personally, I very much doubt that it will, given the strong cultural tradition of and legislative support for freedom of speech here. The NZ parliament recently unanimously changed the Crimes Act 1961 to abolish the crime of blasphemy which had been first introduced into New Zealand with the foundation of the country in 1840 but in reality had been ignored. It is very unlikely that new legislation will be introduced which would effectively reverse this change.
It must also be pointed out to readers that there are powerful voices and organisations here that will resist all curtailments of freedom of speech. They may not succeed in total but are likely to prevent the most restrictive of measures going into law.
The NZ legal system permits organisations and individual people to make submissions to Select Committees considering legislation as it passes through the processes of discussion, debate and enactment. I can assure readers that the hateful nature of Qur’an and the commentaries upon it reinforcing this aspect by notable Muslim authorities will be brought to the attention of the relevant Select Committee when it meets. The post by Christopher (Dec 11, 2020 at 5:10 pm) that legislation aimed at banning “hate” aimed at people would “…mean the banning of the Qur’an and other religious books preaching hate.” seems incontrovertible. The Select Committee considering any proposed legislation will have this point made to it. I shall do it myself but there will be many more.
Nevertheless, there is another consideration to be borne in mind: to my knowledge, no book has been banned in this country and Mein Kampf is available, at least in libraries. No legislation bans its import. I suspect that cultural or historical reasons can and will be found not to ban the Qur’an, another possibility being that any legislation would be phrased in such a way as to be forward looking, rather than retrospective.
If this is correct, there could be a good side to the new legislation. Any use of its hateful sections in mosques and printed material would become illegal but pointing this out in the media would not. Legislation introduced by the NZ government would to some extent therefore contain Islam, obliging its adherents to become more tolerant in the future than they have been in the past. I suspect that this is what Macron is attempting in France. Given that Islam is now global, containment will have to be one of the West’s responses – the others all being educative in various ways. Legislation aimed at protecting people who are Muslims can have the side effect of silencing the worst of them, thereby protecting non-Muslims also.
simpleton1 says
“Islam is Right About Woman”
An expert on far right groups says the message left outside a mosque in Christchurch would not meet the definition of hate speech but is still racist.
The words ‘Islam is right about women’ , were written in chalk outside Al Noor mosque on Saturday.
The police are investigating and officers have been stationed outside.
Professor Paul Spoonley, told Conan Young says the same statement has appeared in various forms around the world.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018777025/graffiti-outside-mosque-racist-but-not-hate-speech-expert
An oldie but a goodie.
The truth will prevail. 🙂
NZ police is wasting, time, money & resources, enforcing sharia law in NZ!
Ole Pederson says
Stirring up hatred or violence will be made illegal …
…
unless you are Mohammedan.