Jihadis justify violence and make recruits among peaceful Muslims by claiming to be the exponents of authentic Islam. It will be interesting to see if Muslims in France come up with any comprehensive refutation of that claim, based on Islamic principles. There have been some who have claimed to have provided that refutation, but only did so by ignoring the existence of uncomfortable Qur’anic passages.
“France unveils controversial proposed law on Islamist extremism,” by Zoe Tidman, Independent, December 9, 2020:
A controversial draft bill aimed at reinforcing secular values and fighting radical Islamism has been unveiled in France….
“We are facing an enemy that attacks our values, that even attacks out citiens through terrorist acts,” Jean Castex told Le Monde said, evoking the beheading of Samuel Paty and an attack on a Nice church that killed three people last month….
Ministers have insisted neither Islam as a religion nor regular Muslims are targeted by the draft law, which is made up of about 50 articles aimed at enabling better oversight of mosques, associations, public services and schools.
The aim, they say, is to reduce the space where radicals can operate and ensure that French values, including secularism, are guaranteed.It contains strengthened checks on associations, including their activities and how they are using money granted to them, and encourages mosques to register as places of worship, so as to better identify them.
Foreign funding for mosques, while not forbidden, would have to be declared if more than 10,000 euros…
“The government wants to give itself the means to fight against those that distort religion to challenge the values of the Republic,” Gerald Daramnin [sic], the interior minister, said in a tweet about the proposed bill.
Meanwhile, Mr Castex said the suggested law was not “a text against religions, nor against the Muslim faith in particular”. Instead, it was a “law of freedom in the face of religious fundamentalism”, he tweeted…
Asked by Le Monde why a focus seems to be on radical Islamism, but this is not touched upon in the law’s name, Mr Castex said: “It isn’t just that in the text.”
“But the enemy of the Republic is a political ideology called radical Islamism, which aims to cause divisions among the French population.”…
PRCS says
“A controversial draft bill aimed at reinforcing secular values and fighting radical Islamism has been unveiled in France.”
It would be refreshing to hear these idiots explain–just once–how RADICAL Islamism differs from the REGULAR version.
Glen says
That is a distinction only made by the daft Infidels, Moslems deny there is difference, there is only One Islam.
My thoughts, the Moslems committing the violent acts are those practicing authentic Islam. Mohammad fought in 86 battles, 34 of them major battles. Moslems view Mohammad as the perfect man, the man to be emulated.
= There are Moslems that do not subscribe to the violence and they are the first one targeted by their co-religionists.
PRCS says
“There are Moslems that do not subscribe to the violence and they are the first one targeted by their co-religionists.”
Maybe no the first, but at or near the top of the list.
JDow says
“That is a distinction only made by the daft Infidels, Moslems deny there is difference, there is only One Islam.” It is also a distinction made by politicians writing something with effects that they are trying to deflect attention from. Most people seem to have bought into “”Islam” is a religion of peace and radicals have perverted it.” That means most people would approve if the bill as sold even if it soon applies to almost all Muhammadans. Those to which it does not apply might then be able to escape with a modest degree of safety.
{^_^}
mortimer says
Reply to PRCS (how RADICAL Islamism differs from the regular version).
Islam has nothing to do with Islam.
PRCS says
So, we’re told.
juleonly says
No Supremacist group can co-exist in a diverse, free country. It is impossible by the very definition of Supremacy.
Westman says
Suppose Macron’s administration has learned from Islam the art of misdirection; stating it is only watching “radical Islam” to avoid recognition that it is now aware of the link between the core writings of Islam, its parallel non-integrating culture, and the generation of violent jihadis from among “normal” Muslims. Possible?
Wellington says
Islam is a distortion of religion.
Don’t proceed from this premise and many erroneous conclusions will be drawn.
Many—including highly injurious ones.
Glen says
In the US there is a concept that has been cast aside, more than likely cast aside by the Moslem apologists.
In the US we have the right to believe as we choose. There is no problem with that. The problem is when those beliefs become actions. We have the Freedom to Believe, we do not have the freedom to act.
Moslems are being allowed to do things that get normal American people in prison.
mortimer says
Well said, Wellington: yes, Islam is a distortion of religion, for 51% of the primary source texts are POLITICAL and only 18% is about Allah.
mortimer says
Islam is also a DISTORTION of politics, since the political agenda comes from Allah rather than from the ‘polis’.
Sabri S. says
Another lesson in applied INFIDEL LUNACY. Man’s law will NEVER be elevated over God’s Law (i.e. Shariah Law and its historical interpretations). Real muslims will NEVER submit to your garbage, racist and anti-humanity laws meant to prop up the dying white supremist system. Don’t you unbelievers get it, or see the writing on the wall as they say in America. Ask a black american in the USA if those government man-made laws have benefited them in any way…exactly! Your western lifestyle is garbage, goes against God, and is anti-humanity for all. Why the Hell, particularly in France, would any intelligent muslim integrate or accept that way of life. We will not.
And to all of France, which colonized my country – F*CK Off and die. Chickens have come home to roost for good, and we Muslims now control France and the UK, with Germany fast becoming ours. Canada and the USA are next, and we will control those countries in the next 6-8 years tops. Out with the old and racist. And in with real Islam and a superior way of life for all regardless of race, skin color, politics or national origin. The Ummah is rising, and it has been far too long…Allah U Akbar!!!
Westman says
Keep deluding yourself. The Muslim children in France, Germany, and the UK, becoming comfortable with the language and opportunities, will abandon Islam when they reach their teen rebellious period. Islam has no future in free secular nations and has nothing to offer but threats which only succeed in Islamic government states.
Islam has no more future than Greek Mythlogy as religion.
Islam will never control the US. The US has already demonstrated that it will destroy any Islamic nation that attacks or supports attacks upon it or its interests. And they also have demonstrated that they will engage in civil war should some faction arise to attempt to subvert the nation.
Islam does have a strong moral base – and then negates its value with apartheid against unbelievers and the incompetence its control of free thinking creates in the ummah. It is the apartheid behavior that is getting the attention of France, Germany, and the UK. Apartheid is why Islam will ultimately fail. Islam is only 20% of humanity. 80% of humanity rightly regards it with suspicion and is not joining a political quasi-relgion that hates and avoids them.
mortimer says
Sabri, how do you know that the Koran is from ‘Allah’? You don’t.
The Koran is based on the words of a single mad man, Mohammed who had all the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy.
As we study the source texts of Islam (Koran, Sira and hadiths), it is becoming clear that they were concocted by the caliphs a vicious bunch of scoundrels.
Sabri S. says
@Mortimer…..the same way that Christians believe that the bible was compiled by men who were inspired and chosen by God. And unlike the Bible which was changed by man in 325 AD, where it was decided that Jesus would be elevated to the status of God, the Quran has been kept pure.
mortimer says
Westman, Sabri’s rant only proves again that Islam is totally incompatible with Western civilization.
Muslims should not live in the West, because they cannot accept our free, democratic values.
James Lincoln says
Sabri S.,
Your post accurately reflects the sentiments of a very devout muslim…
Wellington says
Islam’s record on black slavery, Sabri S., dwarfs that of the West—some 120,000,000 versus 13,000,000. The Islamic world also castrated the black males, the West did not. And the West was the first civilization to realize slavery was wrong and took many measures to end it. Islam still hasn’t, per its major theological schools, theoretically disavowed slavery and you know and I know that it still continues to this day in the Islamic world. The new existence of South Sudan testifies to this. Islam also sanctions rape, as found in Suras 3, 23, 33 and 70, which is really sick.
Charging the West with racism when Islam’s own founder had black slaves and referred to blacks by such derogatory names as “pug-nosed creatures” and “raisinheads” is replete indeed with hypocrisy.
Moreover, some of Islam is just stupid. For instance, the child-like conception of heaven. You know, the 72 virgins rot, et al. And Islamic morality is forced morality which means it’s sham reality.
Islam is a very cruel joke and it deadens the mind. Once the unofficial clergy of Islam got hold of the Islamic world, around 1200 A.D., the Islamic world essentially went dead in the mind, which is where it still is. Look at all the Western technology that now exists in the Islamic world. What Islamic technology exists in the Western world?
Islam is for losers, Sabri S. You’re a loser.
gravenimage says
Sabri S. wrote:
Another lesson in applied INFIDEL LUNACY. Man’s law will NEVER be elevated over God’s Law (i.e. Shariah Law and its historical interpretations).
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Yes–pious Muslims believe that raping 9-year-old children, slaughtering unbelievers who don’t submit to the savagery of Islam, and stoning rape victims to death is “God’s law”–*Ugh*.
More:
Real muslims will NEVER submit to your garbage, racist and anti-humanity laws
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In other words, Muslims will never embrace civilized laws, and will instead continue to murder us to impose brutal Shari’ah law on us. Sabri S. is telling the truth here–but only because he feels so emboldened.
More:
…meant to prop up the dying white supremist system. Don’t you unbelievers get it, or see the writing on the wall as they say in America. Ask a black american in the USA if those government man-made laws have benefited them in any way…exactly! Your western lifestyle is garbage, goes against God, and is anti-humanity for all. Why the Hell, particularly in France, would any intelligent muslim integrate or accept that way of life. We will not.
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What crap–civilized laws are *anti-racist*, as opposed to Islan, which still to this day enslaves Black Africans. I have asked Sabri S. scores of times at this point to condemn Islamic slavery, and he will not.
More:
And to all of France, which colonized my country – F*CK Off and die. Chickens have come home to roost for good, and we Muslims now control France and the UK, with Germany fast becoming ours. Canada and the USA are next, and we will control those countries in the next 6-8 years tops. Out with the old and racist. And in with real Islam and a superior way of life for all regardless of race, skin color, politics or national origin. The Ummah is rising, and it has been far too long…Allah U Akbar!!!
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I thought Sabri S. had invaded some Infidel nation–is that what he considers “colonization”? Then, France only entered parts of Dar-al-Islam like Algeria because they would not stop pirating Infidel ships and enslaving their crews.
Then look at his threats–that ravening Muslims will conquer our civilized lands and replace democracy with bloody Islamic law. He has already lauded Muslims murdering children and beating women in the streets.
Again, there is nothing racist about democracy–not so regarding Islam, Again, I ask him to condemn Islamic enslavement of Black people–I won’t be holding my breath, though.
Then, he claims as all pious Muslis do that Christians and Jews “corrupted” their scriptures, and that they were supposedly just as savage as the Qur’an at one time. Never mind that there is no evidence at all for this ludicrous claim.
john smith says
+1
gravenimage says
Thank you, John.
Michael Copeland says
Memo to French Ministers:
“Radical Islamism” is indistinguishable from Islam. They are the same.
“those that distort religion” have not distorted anything: “This is not a perversion. They’re doing exactly what this book says’, explains Lt.-Col. Allen West.
“the enemy of the Republic”: Islam instructs that the kuffar, the non-muslims, are “the enemy” – Koran 4.101, “Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy”.
“a political ideology”: Islam is a political ideology, “an ideological political movement” (Choudary), “Islam is not like Christianity: our Islam is political” (Mullah Krekar), “Ban Democracy, Implement Islam” (placard).
“ensure that French values, including secularism, are guaranteed”. No deal. Islam does not permit secular values. It instructs that only Sharia is to be obeyed.
Learning Curve needed.
Michael Copeland says
“”Our top priority is ….not to assimilate…”
Linda Sarsour
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/democracy.aspx
Glen says
A learning curve is not necessary. There is the Infidel and there is the Moslem and the Moslems have created a wall so they do not assimilate.
For those wondering about my use of the word Infidel, I am an Infidel & Proud.
You are either an Infidel or you are on of them.
PRCS says
““Radical Islamism” is indistinguishable from Islam. They are the same.”
IMO, Islamism is indistinguishable from Islam. Adding the “radical” adjective feeds the notion that Islamists are “perverting the faith”.
somehistory says
They might have something if: moslims have to register their barracks as “religious” and are prohibited from having any political factor in their meetings, their online sermons, their public teachings, etc.
If the French authorities mean a “distortion of the ***word*** and ***meaning of the word*** religion. will be illegal Some persons don’t view islam as a “religion.” Others see it as a religion that has a political aspect.
In Truth, islam is a combination of political….force all to abide by its lawless “rules,” and make the claim…the religious part…that the rules come from a ‘god’ and his prophet..
Governments are political entities that make laws that all citizens are expected to obey with threats of punishment for not. Even including the death penalty.
This fits islam, even where they are not in control of the government of a country. That’s where the terror attacks come in, in such countries as France. Their “political” aspect has no limits, so they believe.
Religions tell their members that a Higher Authority has made laws and each member is expected to obey. Many religions have some ‘punishments’ for those who break the laws of the church…shunning, disfellowshipping, excommunication, etc. and tell the members that the Higher Power may have more severe punishment.
islam does this too…and the punishment they mete out is the most severe because they don’t wait for their fake ‘god’ to punish. They take it all the way to death, bypassing any lesser punishment, such as shunning. And they are not content with only the ‘members’ following their orders…all others must obey and show ‘respect’ to their false ‘prophet.’ Or else (extortion)
It’s a combination offensive….they have completely distorted the meaning of “religion.” And they believe they have the right and authority to advance their political wherever they plant themselves.
islam also has a third aspect: they make this claim by calling islam a “culture” and having it taught in school, bypassing the laws that have been written about no religion taught in schools, except in classes on religion.
Their “culture” is really, religion as it is fitted around their fake prophet and their false god. This is why students who are not moslim are taught to say the words that make them moslim and to learn the five ‘pillars’ by heart, bring a rug and ‘prey’,’ etc.
Glen says
Islam is a totalitarian theo-politico, socio-economic system.
Islam controls a person’s life from conception to casket. Moslem couples are told how to have sex, I said sex, not make love. The woman is not supposed to experience any pleasure and you only remove enough clothes so your can get it done. You are told how to go to the bathroom. Not even Stalin, Hitler, or Mao tried that. There is more, but you get the idea.
somehistory says
I “got the idea'” a long, long time ago. I have a long “history” of being around moslims, talking to them, working with and around them, seeing them with their families, etc.
And reading enough of what the experts who are not moslim have written on the subject. And seeing enough on the news, reading it on the internet, etc., to know there is nothing that moslims do not try to control…about the behavior of anyone with whom they make contact…even casual contact.
islam is all about controlling and subjugating the population of earth…not just moslims, but any and all people and they don’t take no for an answer. They are extortioners, big time. That is why they should be charged with violating the RICO Act.
moslims cause the problem…terrorism…and then try to force the public to accept their solution…give them everything they want…or else, more of the problem…terrorism. Until the public gives in. But, the problem never goes away.
Michael Copeland says
True. Islam means Submission. Submission is code for Control.
Glen says
Some older history books show a 6th pillar of Islam: JIHAD.
mortimer says
Yes, jihad is the sixth pillar of Islam as stated in the following ‘official’ definition of jihad:
-“Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its PILLARS. By Jihad, Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.” – Footnote commentary on jihad from p580 of Sahih Al-Bukhari, publ. by Maktba Dar-us-Salam
somehistory says
They don’t teach this “pillar” to non moslim kids as they get them in school…tmi, you see. They don’t want the kids to go home and tell their parents that moslims intend to kill us all and blow up the entire sneakiness before they have convinced the students that they are moslims.
The moslims are using the sixth “pillar” to get the other five to be a part of the kids’ thinking processes.
When one is studying the best way to approach another, one learns what the other person likes, dislikes, believes, practices, etc. If one discusses religion, for instance, then it is important to learn ahead of time some of what that religion teaches. This is especially true when speaking to moslims. (I’ve had many conversations with moslims over the past few decades.)
When making a study of crime and criminals…criminology…one learns to “think” like a criminal. The same way with terrorists.
One must learn to do this in order to know how to counter the crime…hopefully before it is committed.
This school thing is sort of like the jihad when a moslim pretends to love a young woman…he tells her all sorts of lies, pays her lots of compliments, and does things for her as he says how much she “deserves” these. The moslim doesn’t lay it all out before he has her trapped; he traps her and then she finds out the Truth. If he told her the Truth in the beginning, he wouln’t get very far.
Same thing with the kids who know nothing about islam until they hear some lies…and the five pillars…in class where they **must** pay attention for a good grade on their report card.
The jihad is being used on them; then they’ll learn to carry it out.
Glen says
There is no attempt to cause divisions in the French population. Moslems are in France, they have no intention of becoming French. There is No Intent to Assimilate.
If there would happen to be a division of the populace, it would be those who wish to excuse and apologize for the behaviors of the Moslems.
Michael Copeland says
“Our top priority is ….not to assimilate…”
Linda Sarsour
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/democracy.aspx
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
The distortion lies in the obvious fact that Islam is a vicious, totalitarian ideology and not the willful self-serving propaganda that posits the notion of Islam as just another religion serving mankind.
CogitoErgoSum says
The only people distorting Islam are the ones who claim that it is being distorted by the terrorists.
Adam says
I’d like to hear a little more about these French values he is talking about. A little more distinction please, why should anyone support you and your values over those of the religious?
And don’t say it just relates to islam, when a secular Frenchman says it about one, he means all. France should just go back to a monarchy, that way they wouldn’t have to pretend about values and such tripe, they could just say the king willed it.
gravenimage says
France is a civiized nation–the vicious values of Islam are anything but. If you embrace such values as raping children and beheading unbelievers, then you do not belong in the civilized world.
SJ says
That’s good news
mortimer says
The French want us to believe the myth of ‘those that distort religion’.
If only that were true. Islamism is Islam when it is fully developed. Islamism is the fully ripened fruit of Islam.
JohnTheRevelator says
This is a courageous move by France, esp. considering it’s a left-wing gov’t. Just compare this mild defense of freedom with the complete cowardly, pathetic, capitulation to Islamic fascism in New Zealand, to realize how dismal the situation is in the West in confronting this deadly and determined ideology.
Still it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will the Muslims take this affront to their ‘religion’ lying down or will they step up the attacks against the French until it becomes open warfare? Not to mention there are other warmongers on the fringes like Turkey and Pakistan who’d love to start bombing France and other western nations for insulting their warlord ‘prophet.’
I’m absolutely disgusted at all the mainstream media publications taking the side of Islam rather than the real victims defending themselves against this ideology. I hope if civil war does break out these lefty traitors and Islamopanderers join the Jihadist side and get what they deserve.
It’s too bad the French are so Leftist, because if they put Marine Le Pen in charge, I doubt there would be even one barking mad Islamic fascist (ie Muslim) remaining within their borders by now. It’s still not too late for France to save itself, hopefully they wise up and vote right wing in the next election.
gravenimage says
France unveils new law to fight ‘those that distort religion to challenge the values of the Republic’
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Alas, this is no distortion of Islam.
mortimer says
No … jihadism is an official, legal part of Islam:
Official, Legal Definition of Jihad from the ‘Reliance of the Traveller’
(a manual of Sharia law)
– “Jihad is a communal obligation,” meaning upon the Muslims each year. [Reliance of the Traveller, Book O9.1]
Jihad is something Muslims must do against non-Muslims every year.
– RoT – O9.0: Jihad : (O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.
– RoT – O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad : The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…
– RoT – O9.9 : The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book …
-The caliph (RoT – o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians
◦Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given (Jews and Christians and Zoroastrians) such as believe not in Allah. (K.9:29)
Fred van de Bunt says
The law targets several pious human rights habits. To mention some:
1) A large part of the estimated 50.000 to 80.000 French children get home schooling through which they can be taught real pious righteousness in underground Taliban like madrassas. These poor kids will have to go to normal school, to learn about dirty unbeliever idea’s;
2) Prevent receiving millions from sharia law countries to build giant mosques annexed by pious live style centers, that promote living the righteous way, so people are now forced to live like unbeliever scum;
3) Forbid virginity tests for doctors on girls. Muslim men are now forced to marry dirty whores;
4) Interview marriage candidates to prevent forced marriages, a habit from a highly appreciated very rich Islam culture;
5) Stop tolerating polygamy, like at the moment is allowed in quite some EU countries for Muslims, since it is a basic human right for ladies to live happily in a harem.
I have to admit I even support these grave breaches of EU human rights. I suppose I now belong to the dangerously radicalized group of fascist extremists?
Jayell says
So France passes a law against ‘those that distort religion to challenge the values of the Republic;! Will they have five million extra prison places available with the toilets facing away from Mecca?
Giacomo Latta says
‘Asked by Le Monde why a focus seems to be on radical Islamism, but this is not touched upon in the law’s name, Mr Castex said: “It isn’t just that in the text.”’
This is proof that the terrorists are winning in France, at least against Macron and company. If you are not terrorized you call things as you see them without worrying about a backlash or seeming politically incorrect.
Pray Hard says
Idiot.