This incident is reminiscent of a strange story in the Qur’an. A mysterious figure, known as Khidr in Islamic tradition, kills a boy in an apparently random and gratuitous attack. He then explains: “And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief. So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy.” (18:80-81)
And according to Islamic law, “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (Reliance of the Traveller o1.1-2).
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
Until the encouragement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer.
“Iranian Kurdish brothers behead their sister in honor killing,” Ekurd Daily, December 2, 2020:
SNE, Iranian Kurdistan,— A 31-year-old Kurdish woman in Sne (Sanandaj) city in Iranian Kurdistan has been killed by her family for what it is referred as “honor reasons.”
According to Hengaw Organization, which reports on human rights abuses in the Iranian Kurdistan, the young woman identified as Sargul Habibi, 31-year-from village of Sorkhedzaj (Suvraze), a few kilometers from Sne in Iranian Kurdistan, was beaten by her brothers on excuses of honor and was then brutally beheaded.
Sargul Habibi was recently detained by the police accused of having relationship with a young man, but both were released a day later, the watchdog said.
Sargul Habibi’s body was buried on Monday, in Muhammadi Cemetery of Sne in complete silence and without any funerals .
Even two days after the brutal murder of a young woman in Sne by her brothers, the judiciary has not yet made any official statement on the matter and none of the young woman’s brothers have been prosecuted or detained by the police
According to statistics registered in Statistics and Documentation Data Center of Hengaw Human Rights Organization, during past 9 months, at least 4 women in Iranian Kurdistan have been killed by their relatives on the excuses of honor.
Honor killings are a common feature in traditional Kurdistan, where women who are deemed to have dishonored the family by associating with men who are not immediate relatives are killed by a relative….
Infidel says
So much for all the champions of an independent Kurdistan who claimed that the Kurds would be more secular, blah blah blah… Even in Iraqi Kurdistan, they are still devout Muslims, even if they may be at the receiving end of everyone’s prejudices – Arab, Turk and Iranian
Sabri S. says
Better dead whores, then too many walking the street bringing down society. No quality man or family tolerates immoral where’s within their family ranks. It brings diseases, basted babies, financial hardship, and dishonor to the family. It also sets a poor example to younger female members of the family. This whole will not be missed by her family or society. Take the hint…goodness and decency, two traits praised in the Holy Quran, will always Trump immorality…especially that of the west. Look at the world now, the islamic way of life is clearly superior and growing!!
gravenimage says
The vile Sabri S. wrote:
Better dead whores, then too many walking the street bringing down society.
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There is no love in Islam–no woman is allowed to fall in love–certainly not to pursue it.
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No quality man or family tolerates immoral where’s within their family ranks. It brings diseases, basted babies, financial hardship, and dishonor to the family.
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This from a creed that sacralizes pedophilia, polygamy, the rape of unbelievers, and using women as sex slaves.
All of this is considered “chaste”–but a woman falling in love is not.
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It also sets a poor example to younger female members of the family.
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What Sabri S. means is that all girls should be terrified of the people who are supposed to care for them.
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This whole will not be missed by her family or society.
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This is probably true–pious Muslims are savages who never regret their bloody barbarism. And if any *do* miss this poor woman, they will likely remain silent lest these brutal thugs turn on them next.
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Take the hint…goodness and decency, two traits praised in the Holy Quran, will always Trump immorality…especially that of the west. Look at the world now, the islamic way of life is clearly superior and growing!!
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Where have goodness and deceny every been praised in the vicious Qur’an? What Sabri S. means ia that bloody savagery is praised in that brutal book.
And Sabri S. considers love to be immoral–this is how pious Muslims think.
He has also lauded Muslim thugs murdering their family members before–even their children:
“Islamic Republic of Iran: Father beheads his 13-year-old daughter in honor killing”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/05/islamic-republic-of-iran-father-beheads-his-13-year-old-daughter-in-honor-killing#comment-2241109
Cornelius says
>What Sabri S. means is that all girls should be terrified of the people who are supposed to care for them.
Graven reveals an important point here that is often overlooked during discussions of honor killings. We know countless Muslim women have been brutally murdered for reasons of honor during the 1400 year reign of Islam. But the actual numbers are miniscule compared to the broader effects of honor killing. For every Muslim woman who is honor-murdered, there are millions who live in fear and subservience to avoid such a fate. This is what Western feminists studiously avoid talking about in order to preserve their multicultural tropes.
And one more point: The link Robert used to document the percentage of honor killings that are Muslim is based on a study almost a decade old. Why is this? Because academia has no interest in pursuing such a politically sensitive subject. ‘Ignorance is bliss’ is the preferred state of affairs than doing anything to actually increase understanding of uncomfortable truths about Islam in the collective mind of the Western world. So it is, in an age when “women’s studies” and “feminist studies” courses have proliferated into almost every university in the West, there are absolutely no new investigative studies dare being done on the issue of honor killings…..even though it is an issue of life and death for women. Because in today’s left-wing ethos, anything other than sweeping the issue under the rug would be “racist”.
gravenimage says
Important points, Cornelius.
Jack says
Islam is Satanic, it’s a perverted cult at war with humanity in all parts of the world, jews, christians, hindi, buddhist and all others including non believers have a percentage of mentally ill. But islam is as shitty as can be.
Boycott Turkey says
Sabri What a vile thing to say are you serious?you should be locked up if your in the west your a danger How about the man she had the relationship with should he also be killed ? Or is it just the women because fake muhammed said women are half to a man what the hell do you know about goodness and decency when your brainwashed with the Koran there is no decent or goodness in Islam
gravenimage says
Sabri S. is also a fan of Muslim men beating women in the streets.
john smith says
Sabri reveals more and more of himself with every post he writes. For a while I believed him to be just another misguided muslim, and that one day he would see the light. How wrong I was.
I also believed the word vile was far to harsh to describe him, but after this latest post I now believe that vile is just an anagram of what he truly is, and that is evil.
James Lincoln says
Boycott Turkey says,
“Sabri What a vile thing to say are you serious?”
Judging by his posting history, he *is* serious…
gravenimage says
john smith wrote:
Sabri reveals more and more of himself with every post he writes.
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True, John–and Sabri S. also reveals more and more about *Islam* all the time–and it ain’t pretty. As a “defender of Islam” he actually just reveals more and more about it’s ugliness.
J. Morgan says
These “quality” men beheaded their own sister. Sounds pretty low quality to me. Hell beings who don’t belong on Earth. Must be all that inbreeding.
Lion heart says
Sabri : all Immorality lies in in Quran 4:24 taping nonMuslim women and mutta ( fornication ) , and sexual jihad ( Quran 33:50) from which your brothers from ISIS issued a fatwa for that matter and where many Muslims in Iraq sold out their daughters to filthy ISIS for that sexual jihad accordingly and even your paradise is a brothel where jihadi would spend eternity deflowering 72 whores whom your Allah has promised you and he would be watching so in other words , in Iraq they call such a person كواد in English it’s pimp
Lion heart says
Sabri : all Immorality lies in the Quran 4:24 raping nonMuslim women and mutta ( fornication ) , and sexual jihad ( Quran 33:50) from which your brothers from ISIS issued a fatwa for that matter and where many Muslims in Iraq sold out their daughters to filthy ISIS for that sexual jihad accordingly and even your paradise is a brothel where jihadi would spend eternity deflowering 72 whores whom your Allah has promised you and he would be watching so in other words , in Iraq they call such a person كواد in English it’s pimp
PRCS says
Basted babies?
St. Croix says
Probably means “bastard” babies.
Sylvia Drummond says
Sabri – You poor thing, you poor brainwashed, fanatical thing, with no love for your sister, no thought for her happiness. You blindly think that your degraded, disgusting cult is superior. You are not a ‘quality man’ and you do not deserve to have any women in your life. Mohammedan men, live amongst yourselves with no women and see how superior your lives will be. Your sister is missed and mourned by me and any decent caring person. People like you who think that murder is acceptable are the dregs of society.
vcragain says
You as a male are “pure” then ??? I am quite sure most of the young males in your group are having sex somewhere, hidden in the bushes, or ‘fixing’ yourselves – yet you all blame females as being the instigator….your ideology is hateful, disgusting & completely insincere. I feel very sorry for any female born within Islam – why would ANYBODY volunteer to join this nasty cult !
Anne says
Sabri, the people “bringing down society” are YOU, a troglodyte carryover
from 7th century desert raiders and thieves who commonly stole and enslaved women. Your primitive religious beliefs and male sexuality are so insecure that any behavior of women that you cannot control shatters the stability of your psyche and your entire family’s “honor.” You can only restore it by spilling the blood of your female victim by torturing, beating and murdering her. Shedding her blood magically restores your stability and honor!
How can you not see this belief is based in primitive, magical thinking that your Koran has hauled from the dark ages into the modern world?
Giacomo Latta says
‘However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.”’
It’s too bad your parents didn’t avail themselves of their right to better offspring. I think they could have done far better.
CJ Dunlap says
Your so called superior Islamic way of life is anything but that. Your religion promotes death, destruction, chaos, abuse of women and children, promotes pedophilia, destruction of historic artifacts and distortion of history. You teach your children to hate and kill those you disagree with, rather than teach love and peace.
Lion heart says
Infidels : they are the same shit different smell “ so to speak in Iraqi slang saying and they are just as brutal as Arab Muslims and don’t forget those Kurds in Iraq in particular have been slaughtering Christians decade ago and if it were for the USA , Muslims Kurds would have slaughtered the Christians there mercilessly and I am a Canadian Christian guy originally from Iraq. my Christian ancestors said it hundreds of years ago “ if a Muslim is a piece of gold, don’t put it into your pocket otherwise it will rip through “ meaning when Muslims have the power and chance to harm Christians and other nonmuslims , they will do it without any kind of hesitation at all and that saying still echoes and proves right until now !
Infidel says
Lionheart, you’re pretty correct! When President Trump pulled troops out of Syria, there were howls about what would happen to the Kurds. But given that this is what they are in all the 4 countries they happen to be – Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran, I don’t think he made the wrong call in pulling out
I wish the Christians there well, and hope that they manage to get rehabilitated in Syria, or else, move to the west. However, the Kurds are best left to the Arabs, and we should avoid getting romantically swayed by neocon advocacy of an independent Kurdistan
Lion heart says
Infidel : thanks bro ! Actually in 2011 one day on Friday and after a Friday sermon in think I the city of Zakho the mien after he had fulled Muslims with hate towards Christians ( infidels ) based on the Quran and sunnah , instead of coming out of a mosque filled with l and joy and love towards non Muslims because they were supposedly in the “ house “ of “God “ instead they came out of the mosque full of hate and started to burn down and destroy all the liquor stores of Christians wherever they passed by them there and the situation became so dangerous and if it was not for the government at the last moment , those Muslims would have killed any Christian they would have come across !!
gravenimage says
I’ve read about a number of these hideous murderous acts of violence by Muslims after being whipped up by violent Kutbahs in the Mosques. So different from after Church on Sundays…
Infidel says
Lionheart, the muslims you’re describing here – were they Arabs or Kurds?
gravenimage says
Here’s the story, from 2011:
“Zakho, Iraqi Islamic extremists attack Christian-owned shops and properties”
In a YouTube video images of the assault that took place yesterday in Iraqi Kurdistan, a few kilometres from the border with Turkey. The violence started after Friday prayers triggered by imam’s sermon.
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Zakho,-Iraqi-Islamic-extremists-attack-Christian-owned-shops-and-properties-23351.html
alberto gorin says
yeahhhhh
i thought it was the French teacher with Mohamed
or a new paper in France
or a opinion or what ever the reason are
gravenimage says
Pious Muslims always have excuses for their horrifying violence.
observer says
Mind-bogglingly evil.
Demonic !
Mount Zion says
Killing your own flesh ans blood is bad enough , but it’s apparently not good enough they also had to cut off her head . Oh , how I hate this beautiful religion of peace , and please spare me the crap that it’s a cultural thing and that it has nothing to do with Islam . I have sisters , if they behaved immorally I’d be really upset and sad , that’s all . Yeah I know I’m from a different culture , raised christian with different values and bla bla bla bla . I do believe that it must be hard if you are a muslim because of your upbringing to say no to honor killings especially because you will be regarded as week and not willing to do the so called right thing, but it’s possible , everyone has a choice when it comes to evil and there have been cases where young muslim men fled from their families because they would and could not honour kill their female relative but way too often under pressure they choose to kill and behead , I’m sorry but this religion and their followers are just way too often pure evil.
Keith O says
Barbaric to say the very least.
And these are the sort of individuals (can’t call them people) who the leftards want to be ushered into the civilised world because they are “not dangerous but in danger”. Trying to explain away these behaviors using modern western concepts will not work. 1400 years of ingrained barbarity can’t be changed overnight and as everyone knows, deprograming is total BS thought up by someone trying to make a quick dollar.
tim gallagher says
Whenever I read about these appalling, totally barbaric crimes, i always think, absolutely unbelievable, we are living in the 21st century and yet we have Muslim maggots like these people with the mentality of backward primitives, whose values are those of 7th century Arabia. That so many people still have not progressed over the centuries towards a more civilised mentality is extremely alarming. Islam and all its primitive, evil garbage has to go.
James Lincoln says
Yes, tim. Profound savagery.
To think that they belong to the same group of Homo sapiens that successfully put together the NASA Apollo program…
gravenimage says
Yes–or created great art and poetry…
Christopher Watson says
To think that they belong to the same group of Homo Sapiens that produced Aristotle, Plato, Shakespeare and Einstein…
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, James, gravenimage and Carol. Yes, it’s amazing. I mean people are all somewhat flawed, but this evil garbage from these Muslims is beyond belief. It really is like looking way back in time to mankind’s most primitive past. And yet there it is, this evil garbage is still there in the 21st century. People who are so grotesquely barbaric and primitive in what they believe and find acceptable are beyond much improvement or progress. Islam’s idea of what is moral is absolutely disgusting. What’s even more alarming is the fact that many of these primitive monsters are actually being allowed to come and live in our modern western countries, bringing their disgusting ideas about the way human beings should behave with them.
gravenimage says
+1
J. Morgan says
“..women who are deemed to have dishonored the family by associating with men who are not immediate relatives are killed by a relative…”
Ugh, so she is only allowed in-breeding or death? At her age, she must have felt desperately trapped by this horrid belief system. My sympathies are with her and she deserved much more in life than what was dealt to her. I pray for her eternal peace.
St. Croix says
Many cultures do have the practice of marrying within the clan. In the Middle East you will find this is still very prevalent. The villages of Jews that Mohammed conquered, you remember reading about those? They are now Islamic, having been forcibly converted. They didn’t want to suffer the same fate as the brutal butchering of nearby villages by Mo’ and the gang. So they are Islamic, but they are still the same Jewish descendants, hundreds of years later. Israelis have been conducting DNA tests on these “Palestinians” and find entire villages of ethnic Jews. My point? They have stayed genetically intact by the practice of marriage within the clan. It is a very common thing!
This is also how certain traits can become fixed within a group that is not allowing much new blood to enter in. A certain look, a nose, lips, etc. In isolated villages anywhere in human history, this has been the case! Hence we get so much variety in humans around the world. From cloistered groups, separated by languages, belief systems, mountains, oceans, etc.
I had Indian friends who were of a certain caste, though Christians, they still followed their culture, and they, husband and wife, were cousins.
Honour killings by Hindus are not unknown either, but from what I can tell, this is not widely practiced in India. We have had some of those in Canada as well, from immigrants.
Speaking of Kurds, Yazidis are forbidden to marry outside their group, and also they have caste systems and marry within clans. And clearly this is a Kurdish practice in general (Yazidis are Kurds, but not Muslims).
Many traditional cultures forbid or discourage marrying outside the group. The penalty may be shunning, though, and not as extreme as in the case of honour killings.
The benefit of marrying tribally or in the clan, and discouraging out-marriage, is that the group or tribe stays intact and preserves their culture and religion. Jews have been a tribe that have stayed together, through practice of religion, food laws, and also discouraging marriage with gentiles, for the most part. Genetically, the Jews in the holy land, and the Jews in the U.S.A. clearly all have the same ancestor. (And if you go back a little farther, have the same ancestor as many of the Arabs. This confirms the Bible and their oral traditions about having Abraham as their common ancestor). None of this would be possible to know for sure without a DNA profile, and, the fact that these groups stayed intact, didn’t out-marry, and even married fairly closely, with various cousins. In traditional cultures it is not the taboo we see it as.
The reason we have such a databank of DNA profiles now is that researchers started going worldwide and collecting blood decades ago, knowing that the window for doing so was closing quickly as people became mobile and left their traditional ways. Including starting to marry more widely and leaving the village.
Regarding this story in particular, are we surprised? In the Qu’ran the violent practice of honour killing is codified, and it should not come as any surprise that there are Muslims who will do it.
In the old testament of the Bible, there were also laws for killing those practicing sexual immorality. However, in the case of rape, IF it could be proved, the man would be killed, not the woman. If there was sex before marriage, they would have to marry. Adultery? Both would be stoned if it were proven. There is a lot of emphasis on proof of wrongdoing in these laws, and the necessity of witnesses (and a woman witness is as good as a man, unlike Islam). And clearly, neither Jews nor Christians are practicing this system today. (I am a Christian, by the way).
J. Morgan says
St. Croix, Thank you for that comprehensive explanation and reminder of how and why inter-marriage in one’s own tribe still exists. Of course, in the Bible, Abraham had a wife chosen for his beloved son Isaac from his own kindred (Genesis 24:4).
In this story, what concerns me is the woman’s age of 31. If she were to be in an arranged marriage, then her family kind of missed the boat, at her age. What, there were not enough suitable men available for her? Then, to murder her when she found love on her own seems cruel to say the least.
Walter Sieruk says
As for the brutal ,cruel vicious and murderous actions of Islamic misogyny which is so inappropriately called “honor killing.” This heinously wicked misogynists Islamic tradition reaches such n demonic extent of evil and madness that in number of Muslim nations ,as Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, if a girl or woman is raped she then might undergo being murdered in an “honor killing.”
This is worse that a terrible miscarriage it’s an outright outrageous affront to all that is decent, good right as well as sane. To actual punish the victim of raped and not the rapists is most hideous, vile and wrong. very wrong. The Bible teaches in Proverbs 17:15. “The Lord hates two things, punishing the innocent and letting the guilty go free.” [E.R.V.]
Michael Copeland says
“Theresa May described Sharia Law as ‘greatly beneficial’ to many Britons”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/674489/Home-Secretary-Theresa-May-says-Britain-benefits-Sharia-Law
gravenimage says
*Ugh*.
Giacomo Latta says
A few ”Britons” maybe, but Britonas, no.
Walter Sieruk says
Islam is a religion of malicious murderous misogyny .
rooare says
In Islam good is evil and evil is good, it’s clearly satanic to the core.
Crusades Were Right says
This kind of thing would merely be a Sunday newspaper style horror story if it were confined to the hell-holes of the Islamic world – but unfortunately we have seen similar murders taking place in Western countries that have admitted large numbers of Mohammedans. Often the girl is murdered by relatives for becoming romantically involved with Westerners / Christians.
Is it not rather ALARMING that some newcomers would rather INFLICT DEATH on their female relatives than allow them to intermarry with Westerners?
No doubt it “sends a message” to their girls and women…
…but, speaking as a Westerner, I can’t help but feel it sends a message to US also, if we merely have the intelligence to understand it!
gravenimage says
You are right–this vicious “message” is meant for us, as well.
Lorensacho says
What is the difference between Americans refusing to wear masks and Muslim brothers in Kurdistan who beheaded their sister over her unsanctioned romance.
gravenimage says
Is this *a serious question*?
I actually think that wearing masks is a good safeguard under current circumstances with the Coronavirus raging, but the idea that someone believing that masks are not helpful is ethically the same as someone *beheading their loved ones* is moral insanity, *whatever* one’s opinions of the efficacy of mask-wearing.
Moreover, the issue of masks is apt to soon become a moot point as vaccines are rolled out–do you realy believe that Muslims are going to stop beheading their victims?
EHS says
Where ever autocratic governments rise upon this earth, sin and transgression are found where none existed prior to that rise.. The brutal means to control the populus is in their hands only to be named and exercised.
In other words they eat their own children.
OLD GUY says
You gotta love the man power of muslim men, beheading a sister because of her romantic relationship. Oh where are the liberal women who oppose that kind of treatment from a macho man. I guess if your a muslim women you don’t count, and if your a murdering muslim man you get a free pass on your bad behavior.
Don Ameche says
And here I thought the Kurds were among the few ” good” muslims…………….. Guess I was schooled on that account !
The set of ‘good’ muslims appears to be the null set.
Pal says
“Infidel”, you are a Paid Russian Troll!
You must get lost out of here!!
gravenimage says
Pal, you have made this claim before, despite Infidel being a staunch Anti-Jihadist–and Indian, not Russian.
He is actually quite right that beheading family members is not secular.
What do you base your claim on?