This is already being denounced as “racist” and “Islamophobic,” but it really shouldn’t be remotely controversial. If any churches were found to be “breeding grounds of terrorism,” they should be closed as well. Religious freedom is not a license to break other laws.
“France cracks down on 76 mosques suspected of ‘separatism,'” by Kim Willsher, Guardian, December 3, 2020:
France’s interior minister has announced a crackdown on 76 mosques that the government suspects of “separatism” and encouraging extremism.
Gérald Darmanin said the mosques would be inspected and any found to be “breeding grounds of terrorism” would be shut.
The move is part of the French government’s ongoing campaign to combat Islamist extremism after a series of terrorist attacks – including the recent beheading of a teacher and the killing of three people in a church in Nice – but has led to accusations it is unjustly targeting the wider Muslim community.
The president, Emmanuel Macron, has strenuously denied that new legislation to reinforce secularism that he outlined at the beginning of October was targeting Muslims. He said the law, under which France would train imams and impose a wider ban on home schooling and controls on religious, sporting and cultural associations, was aimed at tackling radical “Islamist separatism”.
Opponents say the government is pandering to the country’s far right, and the law has prompted angry protests in Muslim countries and from commentators in Britain and the US who have accused the French authorities of intolerance.
On Wednesday Darmanin, who raised hackles by questioning why supermarkets had separate halal and kosher food aisles, said the swoop on the mosques was “a massive and unprecedented action against separatism”.
“In the coming days, these places of worship suspected of separatism will be inspected. Those that should be closed, will be,” he said….
GreekEmpress says
About time. Hope it isn’t a day late and dollar short.
revereridesagain says
Better than nothing, which puts them ahead of us.
Jayell says
Didn’t the French do something similar a few years ago when something like 106 mosques/cultural centres were closed across the country? If that’s the case, the only significant thing would seem to be that muslims seem to have just carried as before.
ariste007 says
Do these people realize that the added cost for halal meets actuallhy is fund raising for terrorist activity? Does anybody bother to study the doctrin of islam? The violence needs to end, and nobody’s right to a religion that imposes its believers to go out and kill kafirs is acceptable in a civilized and free world. Good for France. Time to do the same all over the world before Ottoman Empire tactics start beheadings for another 1400 years that took 270 million lives t
ast time aroynd.
Pray Hard says
They’re ALL breeding grounds for terrorism.
Carol says
Yup!
CogitoErgoSum says
It’s not just the mosques. It’s anyone who takes the Koran seriously and decides to act upon it.
Jerry says
Problem is that any mosque or madrassah where the Quran and the Hadith are read, let alone preached, in any event furthers the aims of Islamic Jihaddi Terrorism, because that message is in the core of and inseparable from Islam.
Wellington says
To assume that a mosque in a Western nation is not a “breeding ground of terrorism” is an assumption so contrary to what Islam actually stands for that it demonstrates a willful ignorance of the highest degree.
The MAIN PROBLEM remains, i.e., so many in the West, and most troubling people in positions of authority, desperately want to conclude that there is nothing inherently wrong with Islam,, it’s just been hijacked and all that nonsense.
But the reality is that almost everything is inherently wrong with Islam, seen from a traditional and time-honored Western perspective, stretching the whole way back to ancient Greece, because the entire corpus of the Western tradition is rooted by fits and starts with the exploration of the many diameters of liberty, contra Islam from its very inception.
When the founder of a religion says “I have been made victorious with terror” {Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220}, and which religion has as its main religious work over 60% of it wrapped up with hating non-believers, and still to this day requires death for a believer who leaves the religion (e.g., Sura 4:89), and even sanctions the rape of non-believing women (Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70), such a religion deserves NO respect and indeed should be consigned to the extreme margins of society if not not eliminated completely.
No Muslim can be wise and informed. Neither can a non-Muslim be wised and informed who defends Islam.
Daniel Triplett says
Excellent summation.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
100% spot on…
petervburrows says
The Chinese seem to have figured it out:
silvercityburro.com/2020/10/02/chinas-muslims-a-different-perspective/
john smith says
Wellington, you certainly do know what’s going on.
gravenimage says
+1
Raja says
Great comment Wellington. Great summary
JohnTheRevelator says
76 mosques is just the tip of the iceberg. There are 2,600 mosques in France all preaching the same message of hatred towards non-Muslims/unbelievers. This seems like a politically correctly ploy to appease both the pro and anti-Islam camps.
It’s a stupid measure, I’m sure the gov’t knows Islam is the problem but are too afraid to make a wider attack at all our expense. Not to mention closing mosques doesn’t stop Muslims from meeting in private and continuing to spread their hate and incite each other to commit terrorism.
There needs to be real teeth behind the fight-our leaders are still treating Muslims with kid gloves. You need to deport any Muslim and his family caught engaging in any terrorist activity or inciting it. Deportation and capital punishment for terrorism should be on the table. This is a war, act like it. But to France’s credit, they’re still doing more than other western nations are, showing how pathetic we’ve been in this battle.
Daniel Triplett says
Yes. Either Islam is a Criminal Conspiracy, or it’s not.
If it’s not, then let’s keep our hands off and let them do whatever they want to us. If it is, then let’s criminalize the ‘practice and promotion’ of Islam altogether. Islam clearly fits the definition of “Criminal Conspiracy”, at least by US law. We’re not required to give the Ummah a pass just because they attach a deity to their criminal organization.
James Lincoln says
Daniel Triplett says,
“Either Islam is a Criminal Conspiracy, or it’s not.”
As a non-attorney, it appears to me that it is indeed a criminal conspiracy.
At least in the United States, the entire totalitarian religious/political “organization” should fall under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/content/rico-act.html
Daniel Triplett says
Agreed James
Appears to me the existing Federal Conspiracy Law and/or RICO Act already codified could form the legal basis for prohibiting the practice or promotion of Islam between two or more people in the US.
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO)
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/content/rico-act.html
Federal Conspiracy Law: A Brief Overview
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41223.pdf
This could also serve as the basis for the forced destruction or repurpose of all mosques and Islamic outreach centers (a.k.a. Forward Operating Bases, garrisons, and command posts).
From these existing laws, we could perhaps make policy forcing the registration of all pre-existing declared Muslims (with amnesty for cooperation, and strong penalty for not registering and/or recidivism), immigration policy denying Muslim visas and immigration, along with deportation of non-citizen Muslims refusing to register or recidivating.
Michael Copeland says
A criminal terrorist association.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/10/participating-in-a-terrorist-criminal-association/
Daniel Triplett says
Agreed.
That’s an impressive essay you wrote Michael.
I just now noticed the comprehensive archive of your works over the last few years at gatesofvienna.net. Well-researched, informative, fascinating, concise, relevant, and useful. Great work. I’ve been reading it all day.
Carol the 1st says
Sebastian Kurz of Austria is working to ban political Islam. He says however that any one European country alone won’t be able to defeat them and so he is calling for allies:
:
“Gravitas: How Austria is Dismantling Islamist Inftrastructure within its Borders’
DavidR says
This is getting interesting. It seems to me that some mosque goers would dismayed if they were deemed suitable for a French audience.
sidney penny says
Just 76 ?
Crusades Were Right says
We know, alas, how this goes:
“Islamophobia!” “Kristallnacht!”
Lots of pics of teary-eyed, photogenic Mohammedan kiddies and females in hijabs.
“Muslims are the REAL victims!” stuff from the leftists.
“Diversity” – which was noticeably absent during demonstrations for free speech and against the decapitation of the French teacher – out in strength with “We are all French!”-type slogans, etc, etc…
…aaaaand the inevitable climb-down. Maybe a couple of mosques closed and the one or two imams given a slap on the wrist.
Rinse and repeat.
Walter Sieruk says
The history of Islam with it’s jihadists scheming for Islamic terrorist attacks reveals the mosques were and still are home center for the strategy jihad murder massacres .
This may be disturbing enough, yet in addition, this mass construction of still others mosques in France and the other nations of Europe have a further meaning which has been explained by a former Muslim who is now a Christian, Dr. Daniel Shayesteh, in his book ISLAM THE HOUSE I LEFT BEHIND for in page 99 it informs the reader that “The mosque is vital for establishing Muslims as sovereign over non-Muslims in a non-Islamic society or country. Building a mosque in a non-Islamic society or country symbolizes Islam’s claim over that society or country, even with a non-Muslim majority.”
Daniel Triplett says
Over half the Koran and Sunnah is a war manual directive of hostility against the Kafir. It’s not just an allegorical verse or two with ambiguous interpretation. It’s an entire doctrine and is explictly simple enough for 8-year olds to understand.
Islam is an “All-in” commitment, not a buffet where Muslims get to choose which directives they agree with and which directives they don’t. Muhammad is the perfect example. So, to not emulate him in entirety, or worse, to dismiss some of his actions as sacrilege, is to call Allah and Muhammad liars. This is unacceptable blasphemy in the Ummah.
The violence, subjugation, intolerance, conquest, and sedition are inextricable from Islamic doctrine and law. Every Muslim is therefore a criminal co-conspirator. This makes “Criminal Conspiracy” an effective strategy by which Kafirs can begin counter-attacking and winning the war.
Jihad takes many forms: Sword; Pen; Word; Finance; Law; Emigration (Hijrah); Womb; and more…
Sword is the least effective form. The other forms are far more lethal and effective.
Every Muslim knows the end goal – the motive, mission, method, and objective of Islam – all on Earth must submit to Allah and Sharia law. None can be excused. All must be held accountable in this ideological war.
somehistory says
100% right
Daniel Triplett says
Thanks
Michael Copeland says
Mosques are Conspiracy Houses.
Daniel Triplett says
Indeed. Forward Operating Bases, garrisons, and command posts.
Eleanor says
I will only believe it when the French Interior Minister installs covert CCTV in every Mosque in France.
terry sullivan says
all mosques must be closed
all are breeding grounds for jihad
it is not terrorism–that is pols trying to excuse moslem behavior to just a few individuals–all moslems support jihad–islam must be removed from west
somehistory says
*Words* are coming back to haunt them. moslims claim that ‘islamists’ are not really ‘moslims,’ but are ‘extremists’ and ‘radicalized’ and have nothing to do with islam.
But, when the government uses this word islamists, to go after members of mosques who are likely terrorists-in-waiting, terror-wannabees, ‘radical,’ etc., then moslims everywhere whine, complain and make the ‘phobia’ charge.
The barracks of moslims are where they hear the most about preying on people, hating Jews and Christians, reading their book of evil filth, and even storing weapons and ammunition. Finding those where “islamists” are learning how to kill, to commit terror is easy….every one of them is a place for learning their warfare and how to carry it out, and upon whom.
A communist is a person who believes in communism. A marxist is a person who follows marx. An islamist is a person who follows and believes in islam.
It’s simple. That’s why moslims really don’t like it when their words are used against them.
Many moons ago, there was research in the U.S. that showed that just about 90% of moslim barracks had literature displayed that encouraged terrorism. (The remaining % probably had just run out of copies and were waiting on new printings.) New research might just show 100% worldwide.
None of them are benign. They all teach, all moslims learn, terror…terror against family members and against all whom they consider their enemies.
Daniel Triplett says
Exactly.
Every mosque is an enemy Forward Operating Base – Training Base – Barracks – Command Post.
They’re all using/preaching the exact same Islamic Doctrine that ISIS, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, et al are using in their mosques / command posts.
Some US mosques are just better at hiding it, especially if they know they’re being monitored. They’ll just go down into the basement or back yard to discuss war strategy and tactics, in much the same way John Gotti and his crew would go outside in a huddle to discuss business because they too knew they were being monitored and surveilled.
tgusa says
“France’s interior minister has announced a crackdown on 76 mosques that the government suspects of “separatism” and encouraging extremism.”
Greasy islamophobes they are.
Clifford Fodor says
How come we never heard the word “Naziphobia” before? Islam is just as bad as Nazism. Or worse. The more Muslims there are, the more anti-Semitism there is. Islam is pure hate (and fear). We are suppose to treat Islam as a religion when it is actually an anti-religion.
Wave Dancer says
What they talk and what they do is mostly total different. As a matter of fact most “political and corporate-elitists” are allies of Islam since they need in the future a brutal and unforgiving policing force all round the globe. This can only be Islam. Global slavery and submission is their common goal!
Rotten Eye says
Macron needs to do what the Democrats do: Say one thing and do the other. Say they mean to respect the Muslims, and then expel them from the country.
OLD GUY says
All mosques are breeding grounds for terrorism as their is no such thing as a moderate islamic follower. As an islamic follower you either follow the Quran and Muhammad’s teachings or you are not a true islamic and that is deadly also.
Michael Copeland says
Memo to Darmanin and Macron:
“Separatism” is basic Islamic teaching, a requirement for muslims.
Ronald Joseph Lorette says
Hi. Great article. Wondering if FRANCE will close them for good,or just for a newly invented(last fourty Years) Time out . Since the West is looking for new workforce ,there are many people from highly educated countries looking to come to the WEST that will assimilate to WESTERN VALUES and not want to kill their neighbors. You will not find THE TEN Commandments in any form in the Koran, (WHO claim that allah is the same God as Jehovah of old testament .If they were one and the same then you would know that there is mental illness in paradise,as allah would be schizoprenic as well as lover of all things SEXUAL,Holy GOD
vs a god who rewards his followers for murder with 70 perpetual virgins for all eternity. Islam does not believe that humans are created in Gods image ,and are therefore not to be killed by fellow human beings. This is looked at as an attack on God. We are allowed to defend ourselves,our family,our country.The only Person who has a right to punish Humans is God Almighty or people who were delegated judges in Moses time to the present day. Since allah is the newer and younger god of the two ,we will do a side by sid e comparison of the two from Old Testament and the Koran. Jehovah is knowable/allah is not, Jehovah has a SON,whom He Crucified for the sins of the world.Allah has no Sons ,as you can only be a SLAVE to Allah,never a Son.God of the old testament has made a covenant of Grace with Abraham that provides totally for mans salvation ,Allah says your good deeds are going to be weighed in his great scale,if the good side is heavier, your in.THe only sure way to go to Paradise is to be the most dominent Killer for allah of infidels,(He cannot refuse such a person as stated in Koran. 4:95,96.. These are just a few. There are a hundred more that show that when mohammad hopped on the coat tails of Judaism abnd Christianity,its no wonder He wanted both of these Faiths to accept Him as fast as possible,and when they would not,He got revelation from allah that they now were the worse of creatures plotting against allah and his apostle and were primarily to be dismembered and beheaded ,after their lands and wealth were confiscated, their wives turned into SEX SLAVEs with (you know Who getting the SUPER Luscious ones) and the mediocre and not so good to the great warriors, After ALL ,they were getting THE 70 PERPETUAL VIRGINS upon DEATH. A WIN/WIN in today,s economy. You can see how lustful men of the 6-7 century would gravitate over to the Looting and SEX SLAVERY,then when you do not want the slave LADY ,many of ,being Christians /Jews just sell them to another sheik along with the goats and camels. Can,t imagine a better way to build society than that? Can YOU?
gravenimage says
France: 76 mosques will be investigated, those found to be ‘breeding grounds of terrorism’ will be closed
…………..
Let’s hope this is a start…
Jaydam says
GI, call me an old cynic,
But I have a sneaking suspicion that all this getting tough on Mosques and Muslim extremism by President Macron, over the last few weeks, is calculated to make himself look tough,.. and keep Marine le Pen, and her millions of supporters quiet.
Since he knows that if he doesn’t do something now, he could find himself out on his ear, come the next french election in less than 2 years time.
gravenimage says
I know how you feel, Jaydam–you are, sadly, probably right. But Macron *does* seem to have gotten tougher on Jihad since the terrible beheading of teacher Samuel Paty.
Jaydam says
I agree GI, and its about time too, but i still think its a cynical move by President Macron. After all, he is a natural leftist, and a proud and staunch European.
He strongly supports the “open borders” policy that the EU has been implementing for decades,..which has seen many European countries flooding with 3rd world immigrants, and we all know the results of that disastrous idea don’t we.