Ahlul Bayt News Agency paints a pretty picture of Islam’s love for Jesus. Here are a few items it left out:
Jesus is not the Son of God, belief in the Trinity is “excess”: “O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, ‘Three’; desist — it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” — Qur’an 19:35
Jesus was not crucified: “And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger — they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.” — Qur’an 4:157
Those who believe in the divinity of Christ are “disbelievers”: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” — Qur’an 5:17
Christians “forgot a good part” of the divine revelations they received: “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.” — Qur’an 5:14
Muslims should not take Jews or Christians as friends: “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” — Qur’an 5:51
Those who believe that Jesus is God’s Son are accursed: “The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! ” — Qur’an 9:30
Christians who do not become Muslims “are the most vile of created beings”: “Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion. Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the most vile of created beings.” — Qur’an 98:6
Jesus’ mission was to proclaim the coming of Muhammad: “And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad.’ But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, ‘This is obvious magic.’” — Qur’an 61:6
Muslims must fight against and subjugate Christians: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29
“Muslims love Jesus, too; 6 Things you didn’t know about Prophet Jesus in Islam,” Ahlul Bayt News Agency, December 27, 2020:
AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Christmas, as everyone knows, commemorates the birth of Jesus and is a major religious celebration for Christians around the world.
But what many people don’t know is that Jesus is an important figure in Islam, too, even though most Muslims don’t celebrate Christmas (though some, especially some American, do).
In honor of the holiday, here are six things you may not know about the role of Jesus — and his mother, Mary — in Islam:
Jesus, Mary, and the angel Gabriel are all in the Quran (as are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a bunch of other Bible characters).
Muslims believe that Jesus (called “Isa” in Arabic) was a prophet of God, was born to a virgin (Mary), and will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal (“the false messiah”), also known as the Antichrist. All of which may sound pretty familiar to many Christians.
Mary (called “Maryam” in Arabic) has an entire chapter in the Quran named for her — the only chapter in the Quran named for a female figure. In fact, Mary is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the entire Quran: As noted in the Study Quran, “other female figures are identified only by their relation to others, such as the wife of Adam and the mother of Moses, or by their title, such as the Queen of Sheba.” Mary is mentioned more times in the Quran than in the entire New Testament.
Just as with all the other prophets, including Mohammed, Muslims recite, “Peace be upon him” every time they refer to Jesus.
Muslims believe that Jesus performed miracles: The Quran discusses several of Jesus’s miracles, including giving sight to the blind, healing lepers, raising the dead, and breathing life into clay birds.
The story of Jesus’s birth as told in the Quran is also the story of his first miracle, when he spoke as an infant in the cradle and declared himself to be a prophet of God….
glendl says
The Koran may have a Mary but she is not the Blessed Virgin who gave birth to Jesus, the Son of God found in the Bible. The Koran may had a Jesus, the Son of Mary, but he is not the only begotten Son of God as well.
glendl says
The Koran seems to forget the miracle of turning water into wine.
R Russell says
Yes, and the Mary/Miriam/Maryam in the Koran is the sister of Moses/Aaron, daughter of Amran/Imran. Approx 1500 years too soon.
mortimer says
The Koran’s versions of ISA and MARYAM are NON-HISTORICAL, but come directly out of OCCULTISM … which the Koran itself declares in Koran 3.44 : “This is part of the news of the GHAIB (occult) which we reveal to you … you WERE NOT WITH THEM when they disputed … when the angels said …”
The Koran admits that its versions are ‘inspired’ by a revealing familiar spirit ‘Jibreel’.
“Say: Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel — for he brings down the revelation to your heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe — whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles, to Jibreel and Mikail (Michael) — oh, Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith“ – Koran 2:97-98
The attitude of the Koran is spontaneous and occult: i.e. Mohammed’s ‘facts’ come out of his mind in the manner of SPIRIT DICTATION through his visiting ‘holy spirit’ Jibreel … an occult messenger.
The word ‘occult’ … ‘ghaib’ in Arabic appears 55 times in the Koran. Ghib = hidden knowledge, a Gnostic concept, a private revelation of spriritualism.
Mohammed was considered a kahin (fortuneteller or soothsayer), who received inspiration by the jinn, revealing secrets to man (Suras al-Tur 52:29; al-Haqqa 69:42).
Mohammed’s mother Amina was a kahina, a pagan priestess and fortune teller who practiced ‘rukhieh’ (spiritualism) Sira xiii.13
Mohammed spoke to dead people in cemeteries.
Mohammed’s revelations were occult … The Koran does not contain the historical Jesus or Mary.
Hesham Ali Shehab says
The chapter is called Mary because who wrote the Quran is bashing Christianity. There is a chapter called Cow and another called Bees…so who wrote the Quran was not honoring Mary but bashing the Christian faith, even though Muhammad took his screwed knowledge of Christianity from Arian heretics.
glendl says
“The Last Day shall not come about until the rocks and trees cry out, “There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him”. – so saith the Koran.
Hoi Polloi says
In contrast to Luke 19 where the stones will praise Jesus, not betray Jews to murderers. Enlightening contrast in very few words.
William Garrison says
Let us not forget the “Glorification of Christ’s Birth” stamp that Iran issued in 1982. You can search for an image of it on any search engine.
Walter Sieruk says
Muslim might “Love Jesus, too.” Nevertheless it’s very important for Christians to understand that “jesus” of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible and Christianity . For the “jesus ” of Islam and the Qu ‘ran is not God.
By strong contrast the Jesus of Christianity and the Bible is God. meaning God the Son of God the Father. Matthew 3:16. Hebrews 1:6-8.
That Jesus is God many be seen in John 1:1-3 . 20:28 Romans 9:6. First John 5:20.
Futhermore by comparing John 5:25,26. with Romans 14:12. reveals that Jesus is God.
In addition,by comparing the Old Testament with the New Testament shows that Jesus is God. As in comparing Psalm 89:8,9 .with Matthew 8:23-27. proves Jesus is God.
Likewise by comparing Isaiah 46:22,23. with Philippians 2::5-11. Also becomparing First kings with Mark 2;8 further shows Jesus to be God.
Daniel 7:13,14. compared with John 5:25,26 clearly reveals Jesus to be God.
In conclusion .the “jesus” that Muslims love is not the same Jesus Who Christians love.
j_not_a says
The trinity is a bogus and false doctrine. Jesus and God are not the same person. Jesus never claimed to be God and never claimed to be equal to God. He always asked God in prayer for direction and said not my will but your will to be done. Why would he need to ask for strength and direction from anyone if he was God?
gravenimage says
j_not_a, you have the right to your beliefs. But surely you know that Muslims regularly murder orthodox Christians for holding just this belief?
Walter Sieruk says
It;s true that God the Son ,Jesus is not,at all, the same Person as God the Father.As cleary shown in the above Bible passages For Jesus prayed to God the Father, His Father in the garden of Gethsemane .Jesus was not talking to Himself bot to His Father in Heaven, Matthew 25:36-44.
By the Trinity is means the Tri- Personal existence of God in three distinct Persons in one God .
To put this in anther way .Within the essence of the one true God there are three Persons ,God the Father .God the Son ,and God the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3;16. 28:19.Second Corinthians 13:14.
A number of time before now I had already posted and explain all this much more detail about the Triune -God
Mount Zion says
Jesus did claim to be God , when asked “show us the father” by his disciples, he answered :”..so long have I been with you and you still don’t recognize me …” or when he says to the Pharisees :” …The Father and me are one …” they picked up stones . When Jesus was on earth he experienced the same weaknesses as humans but without sin , that is why beeing in the flesh God Jesus is asking God the Father if it be possible to take this chalize away from him . Even in the Old Testament in Genesis Chapter18 , vers 1-3 , quote :” Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby “.And then in vers 3 he said , quote: ” If I have found favour in your eyes , my Lord,….”. Wonder why he is calling three men “my Lord” .
Could it be that he saw God the Father , God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in a human Form ?
Mount Zion says
And if you keep reading the same chapter you may ask yourself why God needs refreshment and rest . Quote :”Let me get you something to eat so you can be refreshed and then go on your way ” said Abraham . They answered , quote :” Do as you say “.
That gives the impression that if God himself dwelled amongst us in a human body in the form of Jesus , then he has experienced most of the usual feelings that all humans experience , like joy , happines , fatigue , beeing tired or upset about the vendors in the temple . However , in all that he did not sin .
R Russell says
“Jesus and God are not the same person”
You are correct. The Bible doesn’t teach that they are the same person. The Bible teaches they are of the same essence. Jesus eternally proceeds from the Father.
I suggest you read John ch 8 to see what the crowds understood he was saying. He used God’s name (YHWH) of himself. Also, from a legal point of view, Jesus was crucified because he claimed to be God. (God in essence.)
Also, Jesus came to earth to die as a substitute for you and for me. (Instead of us and on our behalf) He was totally God and totally human. He emptied himself of most of his deity Philippians ch2 so communicated with his Father in prayer.
If you really want to find answers to the arguments you raise – answers found from the Bible, This was a huge problem was Nabeel Qureshi. His book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus reveals what he discovered. There are many other books too.
It is my hope you will find the Jesus of the Bible, the one who is in essence the same as his father, but not the same person.
mortimer says
Mr. “j_not_a” is careless about facts. Jesus was condemned to death for BLASPHEMY by the high priest Caiaphas.
‘Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses?’ — MATT. xxvi.65.
The question that was proposed to Jesus, ‘Art Thou the Christ, the Son of the living God?’ He declared that he was, so the high priest condemned him to death.
R Russell says
Why did you not quote the whole of the conversation? You see text out of context is a pretext.
Matthew 26 v59-66
“Now the chief priests and the entire Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, so that they might put Him to death. They did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two came forward, and said, “This man stated, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days.’” The high priest stood up and said to Him, “Do You offer no answer for what these men are testifying against You?” But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I place You under oath by the living God, to tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus *said to him, “You have said it yourself. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? See, you have now heard the blasphemy; what do you think?” They answered, “He deserves death!”
somehistory says
No, mortimer, you are wrong.
j_not a_ is not “careless about facts.”
Jesus did not “say” that He was…He told the guy, “You yourself said it.”
What is more, the Apostle Paul, specially chosen by Christ to be an “Apostle to the Nations,” to those who did not come from the nation of Jews, wrote to the Colossians (chapter 1: 15-20) about Christ Jesus, “15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.”
This clearly states that Jesus is “the image of the invisible God,” and that He was “created,” as the very first “creation,” by His Heavenly Father. That is Why He is the “only-begotten Son,” as the Bible makes clear that there are other “Sons of God,” in heaven. “All the Sons of God began shouting in applause” is one example.
Jesus said of Himself and His Father, “The Father is greater than I am,” and said to His Father, “Not **my** will, but **yours** take place.” He even asked if it could be according to His Father’s will if “the cup could pass,” and then He wouldn’t have to die as He did. Paul even wrote that Jesus was “obedient as far as death.” Obedient to His Father.
Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead by His Father in Heaven…to Whom He prayed. After Christ had prayed for His Father to “make Your Name known,” there was an answer from Heaven, “I have made it known and will make it known.” When Jesus was baptized, there was an answer from Heaven.
Jesus is the Holy, Only Begotten, Son of God and He said, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father,” because He is the exact image of His Father…in word and deed.
And when Jesus said, “The Father and I are One,’ He then went on to say that His disciples would be “one.”
In agreement, in goals, in mindset, etc.
Yes, the priest and the pharisees made the claim that Jesus was “making Himself equal to the Father,” but Jesus never did do that. It was a big lie.
But, the devil is well pleased that there is so much argument over this subject. What matters most is that humans learn as much as they can about Jehovah God and His Son, Jesus Christ, and do as they command.
No human has perfect understanding and even those men who were closest to Jesus when He was on earth had disagreements. Some of them are recorded in the Book Acts of the Apostles.
The enemies of God, Christ Jesus and His disciples make much use of these sorts of disagreements.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, j_not_a–who is not a “Mr”–is Jehovah’s Witness. They have their own conceptions of Jesus.
Kepha says
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not the same persons, but they are all God, sharing the same substance.
As for Jesus’ never claiming to be God, you are sadly mistaken.
When Jesus said to the paralytic, “Your sins are forgiven”, and the scribes saw him as blaspheming, noting that only God can forgive sins (Mark 2:7), they were right. But Jesus goes on to prove his power to forgive sins (and hence his deity) by healing the paralytic as well.
Note as well when Jesus stills the storm with his “Peace, be still”. The disciples ask, “What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?” (Mark 4:41). This echoes Psalm 107:25.
More tellingly, Jesus declares to Judaea “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58–the grammar is as jarring in Greek as it is in English). This Echoes God’s revealing his name to Moses from the burning bush (Exodus 3:14).
As for Jesus calling on his Father (and bestowing the Holy Spirit on his people), this shows how there is a subordination of the Son to the Father for the sake of our salvation. “B ut when the fulness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Galatians 4:4-6).
The risen and glorified Christ also said to John, the Disciple who leaned on his breast at the Last Supper, that he, Jesus, is “the first and the last” (Rev. 1:17), in language echoing that of YHWH in Isaiah 48:12.
The “simple human Jesus” of 19th and 20th century humanitarianism and criticism is a construct unknown to the New Testament. In Jesus Christ, God forever joined himself to humanity.
mortimer says
Disagree with Walter: in fact, Muslims love the Koranic ‘ISA’ who is a Muslim, and not the New Testament Jesus whose divinity is illustrated and declared in virtually all the NT.
Koranic ‘ISA’ is a FANTASY VERSION of Jesus.
Wellington says
Classic “kitman.” One of six deceptions promulgated by Islam and its deluded believers, which mortimer, to his credit, has detailed many times here at JW.
And for all those Christians who continue to defend Islam, examples being Pope Francis I and Professor Craig Considine of Rice University, you need to learn far more about Islam than you presently do.
If you, Pope Francis, Considine and your fellow excuse makers for Mo’s creed, aver otherwise, you are, at best, mired in an unconscionable ignorance about what Islam really has to say about Christianity, and, at worst, already complicit in the promotion of the most intolerant major religion of all time and which religion, Islam, is a mortal enemy of Christianity as it is of Western conceptions of liberty.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
The actions of both Pope Francis and Professor Craig Considine strongly suggest to me that they are actually *complicit* in the promotion of islam.
My theory:
The Pope is a Marxist / globalist / islamophile.
The “Professor” is either a muslim apologist or closet muslim and is being paid – directly or indirectly – by muslim brotherhood front organizations…
St. Croix says
We have it right here, all those verses from the Qu’ran itself, deriding Christians, and Christian doctrine! Even inciting violence against the Christians, and, of course, “their friends” (Qu’ran 5:51) the Jews. These are not speculative fringe writings in the world of scholarly Islam, these quotes above are the very book at the heart of the whole thing.
No one need be at all confused about the hostility and violence against Christians, and Jews, and infidels in general, on the part of Muslims. There’s good reason for it. Plenty of reasons. Right there, in the Qu’ran. No need to search the hadiths etc. since it’s as plain as the nose on your face.
All the dissembling, the hand-wringing, the wondering about motives…it’s all rubbish and pretense, totally disingenuous or else willfully ignorant. A quick perusal of the Qu’ran will answer all those “why, oh why” questions.
mortimer says
Reply to Wellington: The Koranic ‘Isa’ is a ‘private revelation’ obtained through occultism by Mohammed.
Mohammed’s mother Amina was an occultist and JINN PRIESTESS. Mohammed’s father married her for that reason.
Mohammed’s mother Amina was a kahina, a pagan priestess and fortune teller who practiced ‘rukhieh’ (spiritualism) Sira xiii.13
“Amneh (Amina) was the niece of Soda Bint Zahreh, the priestess of Jinn at Mecca. We saw that the reason Abdel Mutalb took Amneh as a wife for Abdullah was due to her aunt Soda Bint Zehra. (Halabieh, I, pages 73, 74, Dr. Rafat Amari)
Muslims are declaring that the Isa of the Koran supersedes the HISTORICAL Jesus who clearly had nothing to do with Islam.
Hoi Polloi says
Sure and certain explanation for their need to deride Mary as bemoaning her status as mother to a bastard. They cannot allow the mother of Jesus to retain her status as uniquely favored by God.
Westman says
Islam only respects Jesus because they believe he will return and help annihilate the Jews.
Muhammad craftily removed Jesus’ divinity while proclaiming his “visions” to keep Jesus historical. He framed another corruption, declaring Moses to be Muslim prophet, a fraud refuted by historical writings that have genuine historical provenance.
Muhammad may have thought this would attract Jews and Christians to Islam. It obviously didn’t work and his method of converting the adherents of other religions became the sword.The 9th Surah of the Quran, The Sword, one of the chronologically last, shows plainly that other methods failed and Islam’s first and last tool for conversion then became violence.
truthout says
No they respect the right to use Jesus as a carrot stick to stick it to other real religions who do believe .You and everyone needs to see Islam for what it is a 1400 year war plan .That is all it is .The rambling doughty words are just a cover up for a war lord .Its a tactical maneuver not a religion.
gravenimage says
Westman and truthout, you are both right.
Muslims often use the “Islamic Jesus” to lure Christians and other Infidels–but they do not come clean about what this figure actually is all about.
mortimer says
Islamic ‘ISA’ is a FANTASY VERSION … divorced from all we know historically about Jesus through a variety of sources.
Reza Aslan tried to find the historical ‘ISA’ from the Koran and failed to do so.
juleonly says
Exactly what I though the first time I read it….A Warlords Manual for conquest and complete control of its members to do the dirty work to make a Supremacist Empire (caliphate). where did I hear that before out of Germany only no color code but Complete all color Supremacy of Islam.
juleonly says
So they say the purpose of Jesus was to tell us of the coming of Mohammed, the last Prophet of the one and only true religion of Abraham??
I say this is a very clever theology with an answer for everything and no proof except Allah says and tells in Qur’an. OBEY or else.
nicholas tesdorf says
You must be joking! Muslims may quite like Isa but they know nothing of Jesus.
somehistory says
Bible “characters.” The Bible is not a play or movie script. The people of the Bible were real people.
satan the devil “transforms himself into an angel of light.” To fool those who don’t know the Truth about God and His Son, Jesus Christ.
The filthy book of islam is full of deception and lies as it comes from satan the devil.
As for “moslims loving Jesus too,” first of all, moslims don’t “love.” moslims hate.
Secondly, a lot of Spanish speaking people love “Jesus.” It is a common name in that language. Many of these may not claim to be Christian.
Saying one “loves Jesus” means nothing if they don’t Honor and Obey Jesus Christ as He commanded. Such commands as, “Love your neighbor as your love yourself,” “Do to others as you wish them to do to you,” “You must pray then, this way, Our Father in the heavens, Holy be your Name, Let your kingdom come, let your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” “judge not, that you not be judged.”
Their reign of terror is not working as well as they expected, so they must pretend to be more like the Christians they hate, rape and murder.
However…
Jesus called out those who only pretended to do good…”You are from your father the devil and you wish to do the desires of your father; he was a murderer when he began, and he is the father of lies. He did not stand fast in Truth because Truth is not in him.” He commanded those who love and serve Him to “speak the Truth.”
satan lies. moslims lie.
James Lincoln says
somehistory says
“Bible “characters.” The Bible is not a play or movie script. The people of the Bible were real people.”
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus and his disciples existed historically…
Hoi Polloi says
Also, John 14:15 …”If you love me, keep my commands.” That would be the end of Islam.
somehistory says
Yes,
gravenimage says
Iranian news agency: ‘Muslims love Jesus, too’
………………..
Muslims love the “Jesus”–“prophet Isa”–who is supposed to slaughter Christians in the last days. They never tell people that when they are slinging this kind of Taqiyya.
Infidel says
I’m still wondering when is the ‘muslim christmas’ or the birthday of ‘Prophet Isa’ ?
Keys says
Well said and to the point, gi.
When Pope Francis encourages Christians and Muslims to ‘dialogue’, this ought to be the first issue addressed, thereby ending the Muslim lies and non-Muslim foolishness.
But I suppose a Mohammadan might say that Isa is just coming on the last day to slay the non-believers metaphorically – and then send them to hell forever, metaphorically. Evil has an answer for everything, just in case one might be duped into submission.
What a hopeless, destructive, murderous religion Islam is !
moqifen says
Mohammed was an illiterate goat herder prior to making up his religion. He stole liberally from the jews and christians he heard preaching without understanding (and unable to read couldn’t check his sources) He misunderstood and twisted everything he heard to serve his megalomania.
Mojdeh says
Islam lies to teeth then why the Muslim Man can not be Christian. #2 If iti is truth why they killed so many
of Christian Leaders. Please wach movie cry from Iran. It is about Christian whom finds leaflets give it to informant of spy of Iran SAVAMA. Then he was killed The son became Doctor and guess the same man caused his father death needed medical help . Will he give it or heal him?Nothing comes ut of Iran Islamic Republic of Terrorist is truth. Javad Zarif what doo you do you are so much CHAGHI. Mean Chubby . People of your country eats tomatoes Omelet and less than 500gram of meat in a months.You eat so much Chello Kabob. Queen of London loves you.? Israeli submarine is in Persian Gulf go head attack them Iran has no balls to attack any one. PR Trump soon will nuke you to stone ages.Iran is not North Korea?No Atomic Bomb for Iran.
tim gallagher says
I consider Christianity to be polar opposites. Islam is a vicious, endlessly violent creed while Christianity, as Jesus Christ said many times, is about forgiveness and peace. The Muslim in this report is either doing the usual lying (which Muslims do endlessly because they have no morality) or is incapable of logical thought. The Koran is full of calls for Muslims to go out and kill non-believers. If Muslims do love Jesus then why are Muslims continually murdering Christians, as the reports from Africa tell us almost every day here at Jihad Watch? That’s a strange way to show your love for Jesus – to go out and murder Christians, the followers of Jesus. Also, Jesus said that it is better to have a mill stone tied around your neck than to scandalise young children, while Islam says, no, marry off very young girls and use them for sex. Total opposites. Jesus said, let the person without fault go ahead and throw the first stone, but Muslims are continually murdering people in honour killings for the most trivial offences, etc. Islam and Christianity have entirely different spirits and, if Muslims loved Jesus, they would stop doing the evil things they do, things which their vile creed condones, but which Christianity definitely does not condone.
tim gallagher says
A correction – I meant to write that “I consider Christianity and Islam to be polar opposites” at the start of my comment.
somehistory says
That was understood.
People are like the ‘god’ they worship.
People who worship a God that is…***is*** Love, will be loving.
Man was “made in God’s image,” meaning that humans can mirror God’s personality to a human, and since Adam’s sin, an imperfect, degree.
People who worship a ‘god’ that is vile, evil, demonic, hateful, murderous, immoral, filthy, who ‘lives’ to inflict pain, and lies to cover it all up, will be those who commit vile acts, think and act in evil ways, display demonic attributes, are full of hate, commit murder, commit rape, engage in filthy practices, and like to inflict pain, while lying to cover it all up with a pretense of morality.
tim gallagher says
I agree with what you have written, somehistory, and well said.. The two religions couldn’t be more different. Christianity has very high ideals, which civilise people whereas islam seems to condone and even praise very imaginable evil. I will say that, despite the evil that islam encourages, I have met a few Muslims over the years who seemed OK. I didn’t know them well, and maybe they were just nominal Muslims, but they, in spite of islam’s nature, somehow did seem to be reasonably decent human beings. But barbaric Islam could not possibly be the cause of anyone becoming a decent, civilised human being, I’m sure of that. Islam has inflicted so much misery and slaughter in its horrendous 1400 history. I often do think that there has to be something terribly wrong with people who came up with, and continue to follow, such a vile concept of what god is as the Islamic god. It seems similar to the old Aztec version of god, thankfully long gone from this world.
somehistory says
Some people have a good heart and ‘rise above their raisins.’
Kind of like some of the kings of Israel who had evil fathers, setting a terrible example of what a king of Israel should be, and yet, these men turned out to be good kings.
King Josiah was one such. His grandfather was Manasseh and his father was Amon. Manasseh killed his children and Amon was very idolatrous. Yet, Josiah turned out to be a good guy.
There have to be those born to moslim parents who actually have good hearts or there would never be any ex-moslims.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Tim and Somehistory.
As ex-Muslim Bosch Fawstin says, some people are simply better than their religion.
James Lincoln says
somehistory says,
“People are like the ‘god’ they worship.”
To your point, there is an old adage that goes something like this:
“You can judge people by the company that they keep.”
Muslims gathered together listening to screaming imams – can anything good come out of that?
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, somehistory, gravenimage and James. I see Islam as being full of evil and barbaric content, which it would inculcate in its followers. When I do meet Muslims who seem like pretty good people, I see it as being almost a miracle that this could happen. They have risen above the bad and hate filled attitude that islam definitely inculcates in people. But I didn’t know these people well, and, given the nasty content of Islam, I do not trust Muslims, so whether they were as pleasant as they superficially seemed to be, who knows. Maybe they were great, poker-faced liars, who were actually thinking that I was a rotten infidel. To my mind, Islam has no high ideals to strive for whereas Christianity has very high ideals to aim for. The two religions could not be more different.
Hoi Polloi says
Regarding their presentation, I saw play out a few years ago. Some black women in shorts were approaching a Muslim man with his wife, who was in Islamic garb. He made a show of gallantly moving aside so the black women could pass, all smiles to their faces. As soon as the women passed, his face blackened with rage. He was clearly following their teachings of presenting a face that covers their feelings. It was unforgettable.
Hoi Polloi says
*saw a scene… obviously I need an edit function.
gravenimage says
No surprise, Hoi Polloi.
tim gallagher says
Yeah, that’s interesting, Hoi Polloi. I must keep my eye out for that type of hypocritical bullshit behaviour in future.
Hoi Polloi says
“Loving” Jesus is a lie from followers of an ideology that denies the claims that Jesus made about Himself and that calls for the slaughter of His disciples. No one’s definition of love.
mikehughes says
If Islam loved Jesus why are they killing those christians who also love Jesus
Sam says
Humans, animals and insects, all need a son or a daughter that are a must for the continuity of their species, how about your God ?,why does he need a son?
gravenimage says
Of course “Sam” rejects a loving God and the concept of Salvation.
But the real question is why he thinks that Muslims have the right to slaughter Christians for believing in such goodness..
Hoi Polloi says
God doesn’t need. He sent His Son for the salvation of His flesh creation. God is all things and has no needs.
Ronald Joseph Lorette says
Hi Again. Saying that The Pope doesn,t know who or what Islam teaches and that He is an appeaser who will one day be given the choice of conversion/Shahada or becoming a Dhimmi,(second class slave of Islam) by paying a large part of your income to stay alive.If a society of Christians is too wealthy,it is more profitable to Islam to force them into Dhimmitude to pay for the Evils of Islam. To finish first thought: is like believing that The Dali Lama doesn,t know the basic teachings of Christianity.Hardly believable. Some people try to make religious Leaders into little Children of innocence of knowledge. When you look at the power they wield over their adherents you can see they are not innocent or Child like,but deceptive religious tyrants who have their followers living in conscious or sub conscious fear. Wake Up Humanity. Dream Like State is soon to be Terminated.
OLD GUY says
The whole problem with religion occurs when it becomes political and seeks to force its self on everyone. If you choose to be Christian or Jewish or Islamic or whatever that’s your individual choice and right, just don’t try to shove it down other peoples throat. Therein lies the problem.
gravenimage says
And–alas–Islam teaches Muslims to violently force their views on everyone else.
James Lincoln says
So, according to the feature article, Iranian news agency states: “Muslims love Jesus, too”…
This does not square with Qur’an 5:51:
“O you who believe! do not take…the Christians for friends…”
Christians love Jesus.
If muslims loved Jesus, they would also love the people who love Jesus.
But they don’t…
Rooster says
You are a FOOL to believe anything a Muslim says except what the Koran states. They’re good at fullfiling the evil precepts of their Satanic book! I am a People of the Book. Muslims are People of the Satanic Book! The war has begun and People of the Book better be ready to defend their right to life!