If the roles were reversed and Christians had attacked a mosque, which they would never happen and should never happen, a story like this would be in the international news for weeks. But you’ll only read about this incident here.
“Mob attacks Pakistani church on Christmas,” by Kevin Zeller, Mission Network News, December 30, 2020:
Pakistan (MNN) — On Christmas Morning in Lahore, Pakistan, a group of 50-60 Muslim men attacked a Christian church during their Christmas service. They aimed to kidnap and assault the women in attendance.
The security guards and other men at the church fought back with bare hands against the staff-wielding intruders, giving the women time to escape. Many Christian men suffered blunt trauma injuries and fractures in the fight.
Things got worse when the police arrived. Authorities helped the defeated Muslims escape, and blamed Christians for fighting back. Nehemiah from FMI says, “They scolded and threatened the Christian community, the Christian church, saying it’s illegal to have their own security. Which is truly an unjustified and illegal action by the police, because it was announced by the government of Pakistan two years ago, that every church must have its own security. They must have their own CCTV cameras, barbed wires, and medical equipment.”…
Christians in Pakistan occupy the lowest of classes. The entire society looks down on them, considering them “untouchable.”
Pakistani Christians also live in constant fear of violence, and these attacks often occur around Christmas and Easter. Nehemiah says, “Christians, they live in colonies in Pakistan. They don’t live just randomly, but they live as a group in colonies for their own protection. And because Muslims don’t allow them to stay with them.”…
Infidel says
And in India, muslims grumble when Hindus don’t wanna rent them homes or object to them moving into certain areas. Nobody tells them to look at Pakistan and note that turnabout is fair play
Assuming that these Christians (and Hindus and Sikhs) can’t make it out of Pakistan, they should avoid sending their kids to schools, and just home-school their kids, or pod-school them. That should save their daughters from more kidnappings
Atheist Kafir/Infidel says
Likewise in Egyptstan, which is home ? to El-Azhar.
gravenimage says
Yes–the Copts are regularly attacked, including in church.
Lion heart says
Let alone in Iraq after the fall of Saddam’s bloody regime by Sunni terrorists Gropius like ISIS and Al-Qaeda and now at the hand of the Shiites militants terrorists
revereridesagain says
Wait’ll they get their $25,000,000 stolen from the WuFlu impoverished here in the dar al harb for “gender studies”. That’ll make everything OK. Just ask the Bidens.
mortimer says
Muslims actually HATE the New Testament historical Jesus, but love the OCCULT ‘ISA’ that was declared by the JINN ‘JIBREEL’ to the demon-oppressed mind of Mohammed.
gravenimage says
+1
Lion heart says
Mortimer : ??✌️
observer says
Oh Lord
Come to the aid of the injured and oppressed.
And give sight to the blind and demonically oppressed.
Walter Sieruk says
There is the Christian site which replies to the many different bogus claims made by the imams , mullah as well as the other apologists and propagandists for Islam. It’s answering-islam.org
gravenimage says
A good site.
Martin says
Hindu Temple Attacked and Demolished by Peaceful Muslims in Pakistan’s Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
https://www.india.com/news/world/hindu-temple-destroyed-by-mob-in-pakistans-khyber-pakhtunkhwa-visuals-of-vandalism-emerge-watch-4299168/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAC_S7EGxX0
Martin says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38MPJfDOO4
Infidel says
What’s news to me is there still being temples there. I thought that over 800 years of muslim rule, all those Hindu and Sikh temples were demolished!
LB says
Funny story about that.
During the muslim Ottoman occupation of the Balkans which lasted several hundred years, ancient Serbian Christian Orthodox churches and monasteries that numbered in over a thousand, which were built by many Serbian Kings over the course of centuries in Kosovo–Serbian ancestral homeland–were left standing solely due to Turks’ inability to demolish them. A few got destroyed, but a large majority were left standing, and the main reason for that is because most of them were built in heavily inaccessible hill tops and mountainous plateau (typical of Kosovo region) where it was nigh impossible to drag heavy cannons. Due to a high risk of failure and disaster for their men, the Turks simply couldn’t be bothered to do it and just banned any repairs from being done.
Fast forward to the end of 20th century, thanks to modern technology and infrastructure, many roads were built and the terrain was made much more accessible by the Christian Serbs. Unfortunately, that only served to help the new muslim occupators of Kosovo–muslim Albanians–to easily bring of the bulldozers and destroy pretty much every single ancient Christian Serbian church, monastery and graveyard in order to rewrite history to show that Kosovo is “actually” ancient Albanian homeland. Out of over a thousand buildings that survived centuries of Ottoman occupation, almost all of them were demolished in a matter of decades (mostly 90’s and 00’s) and only a handful remain under UNESCO protection.
I imagine the same fate will await the ancient Hindu and Sikh temples if the muslims ever get the full control of the region again.
Infidel says
I get your point, but in the area in question, muslims had an uninterrupted 1000 year long rule. That’s unlike the case in the Balkans, where Ottoman rule just lasted 300 years. Throughout that time, there was always a Serb presence in Kosovo, whereas in Pashtunistan, there has been no non-muslim presence during the 1000 year duration. Also, this temple was just demolished by a riot: didn’t require great 21st century demolition equipment to do it in
However, your point is more germane to what happened in Bamiyan, just north in Afghanistan. For centuries, they couldn’t damage the Buddhas, but in the 90s, the Taliban finally had the firepower to demolish them
Infidel says
Sorry, I was mixing up this report w/ today’s report of a Hindu temple being demolished elsewhere in the region
sidney penny says
“On Christmas Morning in Lahore, Pakistan, a group of 50-60 Muslim men attacked a Christian church during their Christmas service. They aimed to kidnap and assault the women in attendance.”
They would do it to Hindu women too but not their own.
Sexually frustrated?
Rod says
“If the roles were reversed and Christians had attacked a mosque, which they would never happen and should never happen, a story like this would be in the international news for weeks. ”
Well, the Christians did attack an entire Muslim country and left it in ruins, and it was in the international news for weeks – and months and years. The dead are dead, the orphans are still orphans, the widows are still mourning, millions are still trying to rebuild their lives. And four of the US murderers have just been pardoned. And the WMDs remain imaginary. (And that’s just one example).
Have we forgotten already, Mr Spencer? Or is that your alternative universe? Or should I just say “Do you expect any rational person to take you seriously?”
God you people are pathetic. You really digest this stuff every day without feeling insulted? Or nauseous?
gravenimage says
Where have Christians destroyed an entire Muslim country? No doubt “Rod” is either wringing his hands over either Saddam Hussein or the Taliban, and the chance for any Muslim nation to have become a civilized nation. That Muslims may have been prevented from stoning women to death is persecution as he sees it.
Niote that “Rod” has *no* problem with Muslims attacking a Christian church and injuring the church-goers–but then, why would he?
James Lincoln says
gravenimage says,
“Note that “Rod” has *no* problem with Muslims attacking a Christian church…”
Yes, he never mentions it.
He is “deflecting”, and is hoping that no one notices…
Rod says
So it’s official. It’s a wicked crime to attack a Muslim mosque, but it’s OK to mount full scale war against a Muslim country – on false pretences. Against the wishes of the UN, opposed by almost every European nation, regarded to this day around the world as a murderous outrage, committed by war criminals, G W Bush among them.
An invasion for the basest of reasons, complete with bombs, missiles, thousands of armed soldiers, and all the death and destruction at which Americans with guns are so proficient. Then as a result we got the destabilisation of the entire Middle East, and the world-wide chaos that resulted and continues.
But to jihadwatchers, all fine. To achieve this level of hypocrisy, self-deception, dishonesty, it’s necessary to wallow in the cesspit of lies, hatred, bigotry and racism that are on display here every single day, and have your crazed opinions invariably approved by the tiny band of those who share your obsession.
Never wondered why there are so few of you? Why Spencer’s sensational discoveries never make the news?
gravenimage says
Actually, most Westerners oppose the horrors of Jihad terror–most just fail to recognize how widespread it is.
And most of the stories at Jihad Watch come from mainstream news sources like the BBC, New York Times, Reuters, CNN, AFP, AP, and similar outlets–is “Rod” pretending that no one has heard of these sources? But then. “Rod” has said similar things before–just absurd..
Infidel says
Rod, the 2 muslim countries you’re alluding to are still islamic countries. Afghanistan even has the death penalty for apostasy, so you ought to move there and enjoy it there. Not just that, the person you’re obsessively hating is the one who’s withdrawing troops from that country, so it should be back to a pure islamic paradise for you and your ilk
gravenimage says
+1
Rod says
“still”, Infidel? Despite 40 years of armed soldiers rampaging around Afghanistan killing civilians? Still Islamic!
And Iraq, “still” Islamic, despite the devastation rained upon it and the thousands killed?
Maybe it’s you who doesn’t understand what’s happening. Is that possible?
gravenimage says
Of course, the West has never targeted civilians. Would that we could say the same about the Taliban–but “Rod” seems fine with them.
Rod says
They’re not targeted? but often seem to get in the way of bombs and bullets. Australian courts are investigating dozens of cases now. Heaven knows how many US My Lais there were/are in Iraq. Wikileaks showed us a horrific example of civilians obstructing machine gun fire (so careless of them). Statistics, in ample quantity, do seem to suggest that you’re mistaken, gravy. Not for the first time.
Can you really send missiles into Baghdad and pretend you aren’t targeting civilians?
Do you believe your lies, or is it patriotism that demands such hypocrisy? It seems rather silly to me, and utterly pointless, since we all know the facts.
gravenimage says
Note that “Rod” does not actually cite any facts here. No surpise there.
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Muslim mob attacks Christian church during Christmas service, many Christians injured
……………………
Hideous–these poor Christians. And likely Pakistani authorities will do nothing.
Rod says
Sad to hear about anybody attacking anybody. Especially when it’s about who worships who. As in Christchurch, NZ eighteen months ago. Anybody remember that? Or is that in an alternative universe, which excludes so much of the real world?
As Hitchens said “Religion poisons everything.”
somehistory says
Why don’t you just come out and say what you really feel….that you hate Christians and Christianity and you are all in favor of moslims slaughtering them wherever they can find them….in their beds or working in their fields as is done in Nigeria and other African nations…in their churches as has happened also in those African countries, France, Egypt, and elsewhere; on the street at Christmas markets as has happened in Germany and elsewhere; and the gang rapes of little girls who might be Christian in the U.K., who are Christian in African nations, in Germany, and Sweden, …
Just “come on out once and scream it,” why don’t you?
You have to go back 18 months to find an incident of someone…going into a moslim barracks…supposedly…and killing moslims; and which incident was fully covered by this site and ***the mainstream media*** who covered it for days on end.
It’s still being written and talked about. And about which there are laws being considered to make such ‘hate’ illegal.
Get real for once. Be honest if you know how, Admit that it’s Christians you hate so much. It isn’t “religion” or you would hate moslims and others just as much. Perhaps you are a moslim and just don’t wish to admit it.
somehistory says
Something else you might want to make a comment about is: the murders…called “honor killings”…of family members, usually wives and daughters, by moslim males.
Do you have a problem with that sort of thing? Mr. Spencer reports on those and the comments are all in sympathy for the poor girls who just want to live normal lives….even if they don’t leave islam…and their dear old daddies won’t allow it.
Those get mostly ignored by the MSM. How about those? Do they fit in to your universe anywhere?
Rod says
There are any number of atrocities out there for you to deplore. Your selection seems to be a little biased. How about Rohingyas, Bhuddists, Hong Kong Chinese, Uighurs, Tutsis, Indigenous Americans, African Americans, Tamils, etc.
Or are Muslim atrocities the only real ones?
somehistory says
.You answer my questions and then I’ll answer yours. Because I do have an answer, but I don’t believe that you do.
Come on, fess up. It doesn’t bother you when a moslim male murders his daughter or his wife or even a son if that one causes the male to believe his fellow moslims are seeing he has no honor.
somehistory says
Well, it’s a new day and you didn’t answer as yet…about just why you don’t care when moslims attack Christians and to admit to being a moslim.
By the way, are you not aware of just how many of the “atrocities” you named involve moslims?
In China where the uighurs are being kept in camps by that government, Christians are being persecuted to extinction. And they are no danger to the government, as moslims are.
As for African Americans….I don’t believe there is any such thing, but those who say they are, are not suffering “atrocities,” but many are now committing a number of illegal and dangerous, destructive actions.
The “Indigenous Americans”…if you are meaning “Native Americans/American Indians”…there are no “atrocities” going on with them either. Contrary to what some may believe, there was no wide-spread peace between the 500 Nations’ many Peoples. There was much fighting and bloodshed, besides kidnapping, slavery, slave-trading. And, I write as one who had ancestors among the Tribes.
At the current time, Native Americans have many privileges that the regular citizens born here do not. So, no “atrocities” going on there. If there were, I would certainly care, but it wouldn’t be listed on this site that exists to inform about islam’s jihad to take over the entire earth for satan the devil.
As stated, this site is not about all of the things going on in the world today. So, there is no way on God’s green earth for you to know about the many other things about which I have concerns, about which I care.
So, now, you can confess to your inadequate understanding and knowledge about the current state of affairs, as well as your moslimness, and your “bias” against the children that moslims murder…in their families and out…going on daily, everywhere.
Rod says
Yes, my friend, I abhor the crimes you mention, as any rational person would (and you have no grounds at all to have doubted this). Just as I abhor the atrocities committed by self-styled civilised peoples.
Worse are those who pose as righteous, while proudly supporting or ignoring the shameful actions of those they elect to act for them. Worse still are those who preach hatred and racism, secure in the certainty that their views are the pure, unquestionable truth.
Rod says
some (but only some) history –
I can’t go back 18 months? Sorry. One of your fellow fanatics went back to the Ottomans and Serbian Kings, so I thought that since 18 months is within living memory, it might be relevant.
Your analysis of my character and beliefs reveals a grave deficiency in comprehension, and a vast excess of arrogance. No, I do not hate Christians and Christianity. I do despise hypocrites. And bigots. And racists.
gravenimage says
The only problem with this is that the vile Brenton Tarrant is not a Christian and did not act in the name of Christianty. If he is anything at all, it is pagan–he used Teutonic symbols favored by the Nazis. But really, there is no indiaction that he is religious at all.
Then, Christianity also does not teach violence, nor did any Christian denominations endorce this savagery–in fact, Christians condemned this atrocity. Would that we could say the same of Islam…
Rod says
Oh, really gravy? You still haven’t twigged that Tarrant was one of you? Do you doubt that he visited this site and others like it, often? And came away encouraged to find that so many of you shared his opinions?
Surely something so obvious has passed, however briefly, through your consciousness?
Perhaps he contributed under a name like AussieIslamophobe. Do please have a look.
gravenimage says
Jihad Watch has always disavowed violence, so how is someone committing violence “one of [us]”? How is Jihad Watch *opposing* violence an indication of violence? This makes no sense at all.
And there is no such poster here as “AussieIslamophobe”–the only such reference is “Rod’s” *own* post here. And posts calling for violence are not allowed here.
Really, “Rod” has got nothing, so in order to despearately distract from the Muslim violnce in the story above he has to lie about Robert Spencer and this site. Just pathetic.
Rod says
It’s never occurred to you that devoting yourself, day after day, week after week, to intolerance, hatred and obloquy, and sharing it, cultivating it, magnifying it, encouraging it among others, day after day, week after week, might lead to violence? Really?
That, gravy, could only be dishonesty on your part, or an extraordinary degree of naivety.
My guess is dishonesty, pure and simple. Not infrequent on this site. As for Spencer – you work it out.
It happened in Salem. It happened in the 1930s. It happened in the Jim Crow era. It’s happened in many other places. You know it.
Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses.
gravenimage says
“Rod” has said this sort of thing before–that opposing violence is–somehow–actually violence itself.
The idea that we have to be tolerant of Islam “marrying” children, crushing freedom of speech. raping Infidels, and mass slaughtering unbelievers is of course just sickening.
The conflation of the horrors of Islam with race is of course conpletely false. Islam is an ideology–like Fascism–not an ethnicity. And it is Islam that is still enslaving Black Africans, *not* Anti-Jihadists.
“Rod” has refused to condemn this over the course of years now.
And what is “Rod” claiming happened in the 1930s? Perhaps good people decrying the threat of Fascism? I’ll accept that mantle; thank you.
Then, note his quoting the Bible, pretending that this verse demands that good people ignore violence against the vulnerable. Just repulsive.
Rod says
From gravy –
“Rod” has said this sort of thing before–that opposing violence is–somehow–actually violence itself.
Another example of blatant dishonesty from a habitual shameless liar.
But who is surprised? Jihadwatch is fuelled by lies, dishonesty, distortions, deception. On this site lies are tuppence a dozen.
gravy, you are a liar. Always have been, in my experience, and I suppose always will be. So your opinions, judgements, comments are utterly meaningless, entirely worthless.
Once again, in case you missed the point –
You are a liar.
gravenimage says
“Rod” is unable to cite anything I have said that is untrue.
He cannot point to anything that Jihad Watch has put forward that is violent.
How is opposing the attack on a Christian Church–the story above–violent? Other recent stories include opposing other Muslim attacks on Christian Churches, opposing an attack on a Hindu Temple, opposing an Honor Killing of a young mother, opposing vandalism, opposing a condemnation by the head of the International Union of Muslim Scholars for Morocco making peace with Israel, opposing Musims murdering Christians in Nigeria, opposing a suicide bombing, opposing knifing of passersby in Spain.
How is opposing any of this violence itself violence? Of course, it is not. It is not the opposing of this violence that is violent, no matter what “Rod” pretends.
Really, if “Rod” were able to produce anything I have said here that is a lie, he would not be shy in pointing it out–but, as usual, he has nothing.
Rod says
“unable” Another lie.
QED
gravenimage says
All right–I will concede this. Perhaps “Rod” is not incapable of citing anything I have said that is untrue. Perhaps he just does not want to. But this makes even less sense–that I have indeed said something that is inaccurate, but that “Rod” for whatever reason is refusing to point it out…
Arthur says
Christians should sprinkle the church yard with pork blood and fat
Mount Zion says
Or they should keep a couple of swines right infront of the main entrance during service , that should keep mobs away .?????
Renanah Goldhar-Gemeiner says
I don’t understand why the Pope and other leading Christian organizations can’t or don’t do more?
James Lincoln says
Renanah Goldhar-Gemeiner,
A muslim mob attacking Christians in Pakistan does not fit the “islamophilic” narrative currently coming out of the Vatican…
OLD GUY says
Makes me wonder why any politican supports open immigration policies for Muslims/islamic people?
Could it be they think they are importing voters for their political party?
Could it be islamic money is flowing into their campaign fund form islamic governments?
Could it be that huge contributions from Corporations doing business in islamic countries want cheep labor or contracts to do business in islamic countries?
The answers is probably all of the above.
These political and Corporate leaders don’t care what happens to your neighborhood or lives. They know that these migrants will be moved into middle class neighborhoods not their upscale and gated community’s.
Americans FIRST.
gravenimage says
I know a lot of ordinary people who desperately want to believe that Musims are all just needy refugees.
somehistory says
“considering them “untouchable.””
It’s really rotten that this does not apply to rape and assault. But, it only applies to things that would improve the lot and life of Christians.
The Christians were told to get security, but since it worked to some degree, it’s illegal to have it. And it’s no surprise that the moslim police helped the moslim thugs…the other **thugs**…escape. It is also to be expected that they would find the Christians guilty of a crime of self-defense. And still they claim they fight terrorism in order to get money from the U.S.
Demonic in attitude and behavior. islam is a beast of satan’s design.