A hadith depicts Muhammad specifying the punishment for homosexual activity: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)
Will gay rights advocates say a word about this? Of course not. It has long been established that in the hierarchy of politically correct causes, Islam trumps gay rights. When AFDI ran ads highlighting the mistreatment of gays in Islamic law, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors issued a resolution condemning not that mistreatment, but our ads. Gay advocates such as Theresa Sparks and Chris Stedman attacked us for daring to call attention to the institutionalized mistreatment of gays under Islamic law. It was that, or risk not being invited to the best parties.
“Human rights groups slam public caning as cruel, and Indonesia’s President Joko Widodo has called for it to end. But it has strong support among Aceh’s population.”
Why is that?
“Indonesian gay couple whipped for Sharia-banned sex,” AFP, January 28, 2021 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A gay couple were flogged in Indonesia’s conservative Aceh province Thursday, justice officials said, in a public spectacle lambasted by human rights groups.
The two men were whipped nearly 80 times each for having gay sex, which is outlawed in Aceh province under local Islamic law.
The pair, who were not identified, winced in pain and pleaded for the whipping to stop, as a masked sharia officer beat their backs with a rattan stick….
The mother of one man fainted at the sight of her son being whipped.
“Islamic sharia enforcement is final, no matter who it is, and even visitors must respect local norms,” public order official Heru Triwijanarko told AFP.
The men were arrested in November at a rental home where a landlord found them half-naked in their room.
Gay sex is not illegal elsewhere in Indonesia and Aceh is the only region in the world’s biggest Muslim nation that imposes the Sharia law.
In Aceh, on the northern tip of Sumatra island, public flogging is a common punishment for a range of offences that include gambling, drinking alcohol and adultery.
Four others were whipped between 17 and 40 times on the same day over allegations they drank alcohol or met with members of the opposite sex.
Human rights groups slam public caning as cruel, and Indonesia’s President Joko Widodo has called for it to end.
But it has strong support among Aceh’s population….
Mario says
So many men engage in anal sex with other males how can they tell if its gay sex? That’s a serious question
Barbara says
True heterosexual men do not have gay sex
gravenimage says
Depends what you mean by this, Barbara. There are men who prefer hetersexual sex who still have sex with other men when women are not readily available. You find this in prisons; on sailing ships in times gone by, when they were often out of sight of land for long periods; and in the Muslim world, where only fairly well-off men are able to marry at all, given the commonality of polygamy.
And in the Muslim world this is only really acceptable where there is no affection, and sex is either rape or pedophilia (or pedophilic rape).
Of course, even in these straightened circumstances, not all heterosexual men will have sex with other men–but some of them will.
Walter Sieruk says
That homosexual couple of Indonesia had actually gotten away “lightly” by being whipped.
That’s not saying that whipping isn’t cruel . It certainty is . Nevertheless they did still “get off lightly” because with Islamic “values” they could have been literally murdered.
Here, again, this another reminder of the “joke” that is not really supposed to be funny but to make a point . This “joke is about the different kinds of negative kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian male and the kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim male when they encounter, at different times, a homosexual man. For when a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian man meets a “gay” man, that type of Christian will say many very ignorant things to him and as a result of those ignorant things said that “gay” man will end up with a headache. In contrast, when a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim man encounters a homosexual man, that type of Muslim will cut that “gay” man’s head off.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
That homosexual couple of Indonesia had actually gotten away “lightly” by being whipped.
One wonders if the Imams who ruled on this aren’t themselves apostates. If the Holy Ko-Ran says death is the punishment for homosexuality, then death it is. Apostasy is punishable by death, including our partially reinstalled president, Barack Hussein Obama. Islamic Law sez he’s an apostate, and the guy has never apologized for his crime. The prescription of death is all over the Holy Ko-Ran, so death it is.
PRCS says
Well, yeah, except….
vcragain says
Sounds like somebody -you- is just grabbing on to any old concept at all that can give you a reason to hate Obama & enjoy thinking of ‘punishing’ him. I read this newsletter because I am in sync with SOME of this writer’s views of Islam as a dangerous cult, but really you haters just made me break out in laughter….anything to ‘have a go’ at ANY Democrat , when this newsletter group is supposed to be about Islam & the issues it causes, NOT politics. If you want to discuss Islam then fine, but do not just assume that everybody is with you in your crazed hatred of a political group that prefers trying to look after all of society (including you btw) rather than just rewarding the slick & conniving who accrue as much assets of the world unto themselves – such as that ghastly character we just removed from the WH – hint : if you believe HE cares about you then I have a piece of land in the Antarctic to sell you !!!
Jesper says
But they were allowed to drink water. How kindly…
Martin says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6YjoCDPGF0
Mount Zion says
I thought there is the death penalty for homosexuality in Islam , if I’m not mistaken according to the kuran they have to be either throw off a building or be stoned . I also remember to have red in one of Robert Spencer’s article that according to Islam in Paradise or alredy here on earth ,I’m not really sure and I can’t quote , the Kuran or Hadiths talk of “boys like scattered pearls…..”. Meaning that sex with boys would be permissible . However , if that is true , the charge of same sex offences wouldn’t make sense . It’s always the same , Islam is just so inconsistant .
Wellington says
“Islam is so inconsistent.”
Yes, it surely is, but inconsistency is ALWAYS a feature of projection, projection being something that all malevolent ideologies are “superb” at.
After all, let’s not forget that, per Nazi-think, Poland invaded Germany on September 1st, 1939; and per Marxist-think, capitalist societies are the true economic oppressors; and per Western Leftism-think, Trump supporters are the bigoted and racist ones, anti-science too, even though Left-think wants to establish a new Jim Crow system with whites as the culprits and asserts as well that there are a myriad of genders, maybe a hundred or so.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
the Kuran or Hadiths talk of “boys like scattered pearls…..”
Like *hidden* pearls, making the hadith that spoke that itself a piece of homoerotica.
gravenimage says
Some of the texts read “scattered”, and some “hidden”. Sounds pretty gay to me…
Ade Fegan says
I wonder if I could successfully market a set of “political correctness top trump cards” …. Hmmm
Wellington says
Just asking: How does Islam explain the “pearly boys” aspect in the Islamic afterlife as found, among other Islamic sources, in the Koran and specifically in Suras 52, 56 and 76?
Yeah, forget the 72 virgins rot, I would like to know the explanation for the “pearly boys” per Islam-think.
tim gallagher says
Wellington, I think that the explanation for that inconsistency is that islam is fucking nuts. Any sort of bullshit that is convenient at the time seems to be the go for Islam. I see the point that you are making. islam is ferociously homophobic, but here are these boys who seem to be OK for Muslims to indulge in. Maybe the idea is that, once you get to that great big brothel that Muslims think heaven will be like, then you can indulge in homosexual sex, but, until you get to heaven, then, in this earthly life, such sex is a hideous sin. Islam’s barbaric nonsense seems like a load of insane, inconsistent rubbish made up by a diseased mind (MUhammad) or , maybe, by a bunch of people with diseased minds (since I don’t think Muhammad existed). When I took a look at the turgid, unreadable Koran, the main consistent thing there seemed to be an obsessive hatred for non-believers. That was a consistent theme in that evil book.
Michael Copeland says
“It’s a depressing book. It really is. It’s just the rantings of a schizophrenic. There is also the barrenness of the message. It has no ethical dimension.”
—Sebastian Faulks
https://gatesofvienna.net/2019/11/book-reviews-the-koran/
Wellington says
Your entire post, tim gallagher, is right on point, but the “epicenter” of your comment, the “quintessential essence” of it all, was summed up by your phrase, “islam is fucking nuts.”
Eloquent, succinct and accurate. I thank you for it.
What a damn shame that almost every dhimmi (you know, that part of the Homo sapiens species which is equivalent to human waste per Islam-think) in Western nations does not grasp what you grasp so well.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
tim gallagher’s bullsh*t detector is among the best here at Jihad Watch…
Wellington says
I second that, James. Always good, I think, to have an Australian on your side.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear re Tim Gallagher, Wdellington and James!
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Wellington and James, (your comments are too kind) and for the quote, Michael, which I had come across before and which impressed me. I recall reading some of those quotes from various wise men at Wikiislam. I recall being impressed by quite a few of the comments, though I remember being impressed most of all by John Quincy Adams demolition of Islam, where he compared its vile nature with Christianity’s far more decent ideals. Saying Islam is “fucking nuts” came to me, Wellington, because, as you were drawing attention to, there was that illogicality in the attitude to homosexuality. It’s probably a bit of a facile, throw away line. I think the comment, a bit further down, by John, may hit the nail on the head, where he says that Muslims don’t consider men sodomising boys as being homosexuals. Bizarre thinking if true. But that’s Islam for you. I have to say that it is the vicious, murderously violent nature of Islam, and just its primitive barbarity in so many areas of human life, that I loathe. To my mind, it doesn’t belong in the modern, reasonably enlightened world. I think all the people here at Jihad Watch see through Islam. The problem is definitely that not enough of the people in most countries have woken up. I guess the Hungarians and the majority of the populations of the other Visegrad bloc countries have woken up. If enough people can be made to wake up to islam, the problem and the danger of Islam will be able to be overcome. I enjoy the wise comments of many commenters here at Jihad Watch. My own favourite Australian commenter (when I used to read Jihad Watch but before I began to comment) was dumbledoresarmy, who doesn’t seem to comment anymore. I thought she knew a great deal and her comments were spot on. But Aussie Infidel, Keith O, and a few others are wide awake to islam’s nature as well.
Wellington says
Yes, tg, I agree about dumbledoresarmy. I wish she would return to JW. Hope she is all right.
gravenimage says
Dumbledore’s Army decided to take a break from Jihad Watch some time ago, and this has turned into a much longer sabatical than I had hoped She still comments here very occasionally, but it is pretty darn rare now. I miss her comments.
tim gallagher says
Yes, gravenimage, I have noticed a very occasional comment from dumbledoresarmy. I thought her comments were those of a very well informed and perceptive person and it took a while before I realised that she was in Australia, but I was always impressed by her comments. I know that she used to lobby our politicians, from a few comments she made, so I imagine she would still be doing the important work of trying to wake them up. I suppose many people get very busy doing various things. Thanks for the “hear, hear”, gravenimage. There are many very well informed people here at Jihad Watch, (I’m not one of them in terms of depth of knowledge about Islam, but I know enough to see the barbaric ideology clearly) who contribute a lot to the website, and you are definitely one of the main ones. I won’t call you the heart and soul of Jihad Watch, as I did some time ago, because that is being unfair to mortimer, Wellington, James, Michael Copeland and many others who contribute so much, but you are someone who knows a lot and who makes plenty of comments that encourage other contributors, along with demolishing some of the idiots who write comments here.
Soothsayer says
“ Bacha Bazi “ internet search and cry, Islam encourages sex with boys. As well with sheep & goat. For unwed men it is “illegal” to have sex with a woman. So in dozens of Arab countries, the powers to be seek out foreign workers who are willing to engage in homosexual sex for pay
tim gallagher says
Thanks for that information, Soothsayer. I hadn’t heard of that term “Bacha Bazi”, though I had a vague memory of hearing about the “dancing boys” (maybe here at Jihad Watch) some time ago. Very degenerate behaviour, (boys but also sheep and goats!!!) but definitely not a surprise when it comes to Muslim countries.
somehistory says
The moslims in that area don’t murder the “offenders” of their lawless code because they actually enjoy inflicting the horrible pain and believe the offenders will engage in the forbidden conduct again. Severe pain does not always stop a person from doing the same thing that caused the pain a second, third, or more times.
Just goes to show these moslims are exactly like the ‘god’ they worship….cruel
I am not anything like these two, but I would move from that ache..er, aceh province asap. Wouldn’t want to live among such people, even if I had to stay in the country.
John says
The moral hypocrisy is outrageous in a country where homosexuality is not only strictly forbidden but savagely punished, even between two consenting adults. However, men who sodomise young boys are not considered homosexuals or paedophiles. The love of young boys is not a phenomenon restricted to Afghanistan; homosexual pederasty is common in neighbouring Pakistan, too.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, John.
STJOHNOFGRAFTON says
The caption for this photo: Masks are mandatory. No exceptions.
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Gay couple whipped for Sharia-banned sex
……………..
These *poor men*. God, I hate Islam.
PRCS says
“Four others were whipped between 17 and 40 times on the same day over allegations they drank alcohol or met with members of the opposite sex.”
Caned for homosexuality, and caned for meeting with members of the opposite sex.
Good grief.
gravenimage says
Sharp observation, PRCS.
Trevor Loughlin says
It takes generations of inbreeding to achieve these wonders.
Giacomo Latta says
”Indonesian gay couple whipped for Sharia-banned sex”
So these two are arrested for gay activity and just as soon the police keep the party going. Bizarre.
Proud Islamophobe says
There is a fascinating irony here. They think they do this in the name of G-d, but it is a fact that islam both plagiarizes and distorts the Bible because ‘allah’ is actually Satan. We know this because sharia law is the antithesis of the Torah. In Satan’s retaliation for G-d throwing him out of Heaven, Satan hates and wants to torment every living thing. Because people choose to reject G-d’s grace (The Christ), whatever moslems do to others will be done to them (be it throwing acid in people’s faces, setting them on fire, torturing living things [all of which have souls according to the Bible], etc.), because we will be judged either by the law or by grace (Romans 2:12; 1 Peter 4:17):
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Obadiah 15 – “As you have done, it shall be done to you; Your reprisal shall return upon your own head.”
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Habakkuk 2:8 – “Because you have plundered many nations, All the remnant of the people shall plunder you,”
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James 2:13 – “For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.”
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Matthew 7:2 – “For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”
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2 Chronicles 6:23 – “… bringing retribution on the wicked by bringing his way on his own head…”
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Joel 3:4 – “Indeed, what have you to do with Me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? Will you retaliate against Me? But if you retaliate against Me, Swiftly and speedily I will return your retaliation upon your own head;”
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Ezekiel 35:6 – “therefore, as I live,” says the Lord God, “I will prepare you for blood, and blood shall pursue you; since you have not hated blood, therefore blood shall pursue you.”
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Romans 12:19 – Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
TheNicheActress says
Lloyd de Jongh has proven that sharia law is actually derived from ancient Jewish law: https://youtu.be/WX8mBC4HVOI