“Ardern said her government has an obligation to its citizens regardless of the circumstances or offenses committed.”
Great. But do those citizens who have joined the Islamic State (ISIS), an entity that is avowedly at war with non-Muslim countries, have any obligation to New Zealand? And if they don’t think they have any such obligation, isn’t it possible that Ardern’s humanitarian decision here might have negative consequences for New Zealanders in the future?
“NZ PM urges Australia to ‘do the right thing’ over terror suspect’s citizenship,” Reuters, February 16, 2021:
New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Tuesday accused Australia of abdicating its responsibilities by “unilaterally” canceling the citizenship of a woman detained in Turkey and accused of having links to ISIS.
Turkish authorities on Monday said they had caught three New Zealanders, two children and a 26-year-old woman alleged to be a member of ISIS, trying to enter Turkey illegally from Syria.
The woman had held New Zealand and Australian citizenships, but the Australian government canceled her citizenship, Ardern told reporters in Wellington.
The 40-year-old leader said Australia had “abdicated its responsibilities” by unilaterally canceling the citizenship, forcing New Zealand to shoulder the responsibility for the woman, who has not lived in New Zealand since she was six.
“New Zealand, frankly, is tired of having Australia exporting its problems,” Ardern said. “If the shoe were on the other foot we would take responsibility, that would be the right thing to do and I ask Australia to do the same.”
Australian Prime Minister Morrison in a news conference in Canberra said: “My job is Australia’s interests. That’s my job. And it’s my job as the Australian Prime Minister to put Australia’s national security interests first. I think all Australians would agree with that.”…
Ardern said her government has an obligation to its citizens regardless of the circumstances or offenses committed, and that decisions would be driven by the fact that two small children “who did not make the choice of being born in a war zone” were involved.
Anders says
Ardern may well also be angry as her Labour government have peddled a white supremacist terrorist narrative (the Australian Tarrant mosque shooter ) to justify potential hate speech laws.
Andrew Little ex Justice Minister is currently meeting with Muslim and minority groups around the country about this issue.
Now we have a Muslim female jahadi (possibly a terrorist) who will likely arrive on our door step. How inconvenient when Ardern (our Hugger in Chief ) is wanting to soften up the public to hate speech laws based on a white supremacist narrative.
Keith O says
Anders, Ardern also used the barracks shooting as an excuse to disarm law abiding Kiwi’s with no public consultation, no debate, no due process.
Infidel says
It could have been worse. She could have declared New Zealand an islamic republic, and ordered all citizens to convert to islam
Dick says
Could still happen
Rob Porter says
Evidently the utterly ridiculous Ardern has been driven insane by her mindlessly stupid association and defence of Islam and Muslims. Nothing that is logical and fact about Islamic violence and terrorism penetrates her thick little skull.
How the devil did New Zealanders manage to elect and then re-elect this fool as their prime minister? It’s about as stupid as Canadians electing and then re-electing Justinass Trudeau as their ‘leaders’.
Dick says
She was elected because of our undemocratic electoral system call MM FUCKEN P where the minority hold the balance of power on make all the rules.Plus most of the kiwis don’t understand how we have our freedom and what we need to protect those freedoms .we call them sheeple
Dick says
Pos
Bikinis not Burkas says
Seems like her love affair with the MURDEROUS IDEOLOGY OF ISLAM is waning!
Dick says
Absolutely 100% correct
gravenimage says
New Zealand PM accuses Australia of abdicating its responsibility by canceling citizenship of Muslima tied to ISIS
……………
How does Australia have a “responsibility” to endanger her people by giving citizenship to Jihad terrorists?
Infidel says
More specifically, how does Australia have any responsibility to New Zealand? If Ardern is stupid enough to think that her country is morally obligated to take in any jihadis that Australia rejects, how is that Australia’s problem?
CogitoErgoSum says
It sounds as if New Zealand’s biggest problem is Jacinda Ardern.
Eleanor says
Yes, ghastly woman. Ardern said her government has an obligation to its citizens regardless of the circumstances or offenses committed.”
But only if you are brown, black or muslim. If you’re white, you are on your own!
Dick says
?
gravenimage says
Good points.
Dick says
Yea it is POS
Del says
We have a so called “leader” just as stunned and pandering to Islam terrorists here in Canada. We would not be at all surprised to see Trudeau wearing his rainbow burka in public.
RonaldB says
Going by the article, the jihadis already had joint Australian-New Zealand citizenship. Australia had the self-interest to revoke the Australian citizenships. New Zealand doesn’t so the “nice guy” is left holding the bag.
Countries would be better off by forbidding dual citizenship altogether. No dual Australian-New Zealand, US-Mexico, US-Israel citizenships. Choose one or the other. Such a policy would have let fainting jacinda off the hook, as the lady jihadi would undoubtedly have chosen Australian citizenship.
Once potential jihadis find out their future might involve dodging slavers in wild-west Libya for the rest of their lives, their fervor to wage jihad in foreign states like Syria might get seriously dampened.
gravenimage says
It made sense at one time, especially for Britons who often worked abroad for long stretches. But the US has never formally recognized dual citizenship, and with questions of loyalty so key now,. this seems like the best general policy.
Aussie Infidel says
Ardern worked as an advisor for Tony Blair, when as Britain’s PM he allowed millions of Muslims to flood into the UK. Now as PM of New Zealand, this leftist, bleeding heart, Muslim-lover wants to dictate immigration policy to Australia. Frankly, New Zealand would be better off if Ardern packed her bags and headed off to the Dar-al-Islam to join her misguided Muslim friend.
Wellington says
Didn’t know that, Aussie Infidel, about Ardern. Explains a lot.
Most certainly Tony Blair did enormous damage to Britain. I was last in Britain in 1998, spent almost all my time in Devon and Cornwall, and this was just the beginning of Blair’s destruction so I didn’t see it at the time. I sure do now. I hold him in complete contempt. He was even stupid enough to say a few years ago that “There is a problem within Islam but not with Islam.” The man will never learn. I doubt Ardern will either. Both are useful idiots, and very destructive useful idiots at that.
Now we have our own useful idiot in charge in Joe Biden. Well, he’s not really in charge but residing at the finest new nursing home in America, the White House, and “tended to” by other useful idiots like Kamala Harris, John Kerry and Susan Rice.
Lookin’ bleak at the moment. Surely.
Aussie Infidel says
Wellington, Agreed. People like Blair and Ardern will never learn; both are indeed useful idiots. They have been too deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology – which as many have remarked before, is the politics of envy. I know people from the Left who hated Trump for no other reason than he was wealthy. When I ask them which of his policies they disagree with, they haven’t got a clue – because its the last thing they consider.
I’m also very concerned at the outcome of your presidential election, which many Aussies are following closely, because whatever affects the US will eventually affect us too. We are concerned that our naive Labor government here in Queensland where I live, has also contracted to a Chinese company (read the CCP) to supply the software for our state government elections. There was already a stuf-up during our election last year, when we were left in limbo for weeks as the Wuhan wog kept the Chinese IT workers at home. The Left continually displays its incompetence when it comes to making business decisions. They are the world’s worst money managers – but good at spending ours.
James Lincoln says
Aussie Infidel says,
“…I know people from the Left who hated Trump…When I ask them which of his policies they disagree with, they haven’t got a clue…
I have done the same thing friends and family members who voted for Biden/Harris.
I got the same exact “nonresponse” – no logic just emotion…
Rod says
“When I ask them which of his policies they disagree with, they haven’t got a clue – because its the last thing they consider.”
Would you like to ask me, Aussie? Or any of millions of others I could refer you to?
PS I’m not so sure the very stable genius is wealthy either. We’ll be seeing him in the bankruptcy courts soon, I believe. Again. For the seventh time?
gravenimage says
“Rod” here is an active apologist for the horrors of Islam..
His hating President Trump’s efforts to protect American citizens from Jihad terror scarcely surproses.
RonaldB says
I don’t know if I would term Biden as a useful idiot. He has an entire career of graft, corruption and perversion. In other words, he’s a somewhat charming sociopath and doesn’t care in the least about anything but lining his own pockets and his family’s pockets. He’s perfectly OK with dire consequences to his countrymen, as long as he gets his cut.
Rod says
“Most certainly Tony Blair did enormous damage to Britain.”
He certainly did enormous damage to Iraq, destabilised the entire Middle East, and caused the entire world enormous problems, through blatant dishonesty, sheer stupidity, and by being taken in by the Bush lunatics in 2003. In other words, a war criminal.
gravenimage says
Helping to give Muslims a shot at creating a democracy is certainly a terrible thing. Bad dhimmis!
Yogi says
Who knows what are the children become later having mother like this , it’s all bullshit , always is about CHILDREN!!, that’s a big excuse.,
Keith O says
I personally detest our PM Scott Morrison with a passion. He’s a born again nut job who thinks only of himself,,most of the time.
This is one occasion when he has actually taken his head out of his own arse and done the right thing for Australia.
Why the hell should we welcome back some isis brood mare and her two crotch goblin’s?
Why should the Aussie tax payers foot the bill for this terrorist supporter and her budding jihadi’s?
She chose to go over to the war zone, she chose to renounce her citizenship and take up isis citizenship, so let her now take responsibility for HER decisions.
This individual can rot in the hell she helped to create.
Infidel says
I haven’t followed Morrison’s activities within Australia itself; however, I think he’s done a yeoman’s job in standing up to China, and supporting Indo-Pacific countries in their defiance of Beijing. It’s not for nothing that President Trump awarded him, along w/ Modi and Abe, the medal of Freedom before he left office
Does Australia have any potential leader more to the right of him, still good on China and the Indo-Pacific, but who can roll back the wokeness and give Ardern the finger?
job says
We have a great conservative in Cory Bernardi but the woke and the left/green alliance have undermined him.
gregbeetham says
Cory Bernadi is ok but Mark Latham is better, the lefty idiots know better than to tangle with him and poor Jacinda Ardern would be well out of her depth. Cory has had a few peculiar humanitarian ideas in the past.
Infidel says
Are we talking about Australia or NZ here, when you refer to Cory Bernardi or Mark Latham?
Rob Porter says
Keith. – here in Canada Justinass Trudeau welcomed ISIS savages into the country. He said that they could ‘add something to the country’ – like rape and murder I suppose. Consider this, these men brutally murdered Christians and other non-Muslims, mass murdered older Yazidi women who ISIS trash considered to old for their sexual pleasure, took sex slaves and raped girls and women, yet the morals-destitute moron leader welcomed such scum into Canada. One Yazidi woman who was bought and held a sex slave in Syria eventually escaped from her sex-slave master and brought to Canada as a refugee. One day while walking through the streets of London, Ontario, she came face to face with her former ISIS sex-slave owner. Upon her reporting this to a cowardly Canadian government official, he advised her to just keep quiet about her encountering this Muslim ISIS bastard in Canada. Such is the way this country has sunk.
gravenimage says
Yes–the story about this poor Yazidi woman is especially horrifying. And what is this vicious slaver apt to do in Canada? These Jihadists are far more dangerous than Nazi war criminals, where it was mostly a matter of bringing them to justice. (*Not* to make light of this–it is just that they were not likely to wreck further evil in their new countries).
Peter35 says
Just no end of white masochistic ‘leaders’ in the western world, and Ardern can’t wait to islamize little NZ to put her in line for a big job with U.N., just like Norway’s Solberg and other shameless moslem-hugging traitors.
James Lincoln says
If Heat (1995) were made today, I wonder if Neil would still want to take Eady and flee to New Zealand after the final big score.
Maybe Poland or Hungary…
mortimer says
Anyone connected to ISIS should not enter, except to stand trial for crimes against humanity.
tim gallagher says
I would say, as an Australian, that almost all Australians (some very left wing Australians and plenty of Muslims in Australia being exceptions) don’t want any of the people who went off to join ISIS to be allowed back into Australia. Most Australians would love to see all people who joined ISIS prevented from coming back to Australia. This issue was discussed a lot some time back and it seems that we are stuck with these scum if they are Australian citizens. Apparently, we can’t leave people stateless was what was often said, so we’re stuck with them. The Government aimed to get rid of any of the people who served with ISIS and had dual citizenship. Ardern is an idiot who is as far left and as virtue signalling a creature as you could find anywhere.
Infidel says
If somebody commits an act of treason, there is no reason why they shouldn’t lose their citizenship. Australia did the right thing by yanking these 3 characters’ (yeah, including the toddlers) citizenship, and the right to get back to Australia: there’s no reason they should have to take them back. Those 3 can settle down in Syria or Turkey (why wouldn’t Turkey, which has been secretly supporting ISIS, wanna take them? B’cos they can’t be made useful in their foreign adventures in Libya or Azerbaijan?) as stateless people (i.e. no right to vote or buy land)
New Zealand shouldn’t have to take them either, but if they want to, they don’t have the right to point fingers at Australia for Canberra refusing
tim gallagher says
I agree with everything you say there,Infidel. I don’t understand the legal situation, however, when the idea of letting these creatures who went to join ISIS was a hot topic for discussion out here in Australia, which seems like it might have been a year or so back, the point was often made that we can’t leave people stateless (most Australians would not give a damn about doing that to the scum who joined ISIS) and that we would, unfortunately, have to take most of them back. Of course, there was sympathy for the children who were taken over to join ISIS by their verminous parents, but most people I heard said, nope, we don’t want them back. In Australia, there were these appalling still photos of a child of around 5 years old holding up a severed head, which his scumbag of a father (an Australian Muslim who later got killed over there) wanted to share proudly with the world. Maybe someone here at Jihad Watch can comment on this aspect of whether people can be left stateless, but Australian governments are pretty humane, so we’ll probably end up with most of these scum (and I don’t include the children or infants in that description, although they have probably been turned into monsters) back here in Australia. Most Australians will say to Ardern and New Zealand, you take them if you want but we don’t give a damn about what you think of us not taking them.
RonaldB says
There’s an interesting novel about stateless sailors written by B Traven, the same writer who wrote the book on which the Bogart film “Treasure of the Sierra Madre” was based. The novel is called the “Death Ship” and it recounts the story of sailors in the early 20th century who lost their papers and thus had no country they could claim. It definitely lets you know what it’s like to be stateless.
I doubt that stateless jihadis could stay in Turkey or Syria. Most likely, they’d have to head for some failed state like Libya or Somalia and take their chances, which would not be too good. But, get the story of a few of those guys in the news and it would probably cool down the jihadi fervor of fanatic Muslims considerably. It would be very much worth the price.
gravenimage says
Losing your papers–which *should* be fixable–is very different from betraying your nation by joining its murderous enemies.
Andrew says
Why is Arden so upset about people losing their Australian Citizenship, they still have NZ Passports so they can return to NZ, and horse face can meet them at the Airport with a nice cuppa and some biscuits, maybe a lollipop for the wee kiddies, given a brand new house and a Chef coming by every day to cook that special food for them. OZ did the right think 100% and I only wish the UK would follow suit.
Quazgaa says
Horse face?
Lol
OTTER says
Clueless white woman-typical.
Give power to women and this is what they do.
Manage your women, white men or you are toast.
The feminization of politics in the West is one is the most insidious and unrecognised threats to clearly defining a public problem and finding resolutions for them.
Women are governed by emotion and designed by evolution to be empathic especially when children are involved.
So they lose sight of the larger issue.
This woman will lead New Zealand to disaster.
Dick says
Absolutely correct their . It’s pure communist evil ?♀️
job says
Agree 100%
Jayell says
Sadly, my observations increasingly convince me that the self-styled ‘fair sex’ seem to be governed primarily by the scent of testosterone no matter from whom it emanates. This could probably be explained as some kind of herd survival mechanism, but it means that your country and culture could end up disappearing down the drain if too many purveyors of the wrong sort of testosterone appear on your territory.
Infidel says
It has gone way beyond mere ‘equal opportunity’ for women to install women in positions of power to virtue-signal, regardless of their stances on issues. Which is what’s dragging down not just New Zealand, but a lot of European countries as well
Dick says
Right on ??????
gravenimage says
I see that OTTER is again ranting that white men have to control–or here, manage–“their” women–including stripping them of the vote, of any education, of working outside the home. He even espouses forced breeding of women.
Adern *is* a disaster, but there are plenty of male leaders who are as bad. I’d rather have Margaret Thatcher or Gold Meir than Jimmy Carter or Swedish PM Stefan Löfven–not OTTER, though.
And he has never said why he doesn’t just convert to Islam, since his view of women doesn’t appear to be any different from that of pious Muslim thugs.
OTTER says
Gravenimage: Read the replies of the other men to see how much trust they have in women’s leadership.
When I tell the truth, it hurts: White women’s foolishness towards Islam will wreck the West. While men can be expected to be partial to Islam because it offers such a honeypot to them, what about white women? Why do they get fooled by Islam? Because they’re gullible that’s why. Lack logic, that’s why.
Can you imagine that women exist who can actually write books like ‘White Fragility.’ –the absolute and mind boggling fraud she is? Or Karen Armstrong? Give me a break.
White women are the biggest backstabbers in the world, after having got so much from brilliant white men, who have invented practically everything for them. Neurotic and confused.
And the sad part is that poor white men can’t even take the credit for all they’ve done to make their women comfortable, so maligned a breed white men have become these days–unjustifiably so, in my opinion.
White women are now on a mission to inject their poison of their failed relationships with their white men to all women and men of the world–this is the ‘white woman’s burden.’
God save this planet from white women. No wonder many white men don’t want to marry them.
Islam will take over because of the white ladies and the leftists of course.
gravenimage says
Do other men agree with OTTER that women need to be denied the vote, education, and the ability to work outside the home? Do they agree that women need to be forced to breed–that is, raped?
Let’s hope not.
And no–this vicious claptrap is not the truth.
I note that OTTER has ignored my question about whether he prefers Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir to Stefan Löfven and Jimmy Carter–because this does not fit his narrative that men make fine leaders, while women need to be stripped of not just leadership roles, but of the franchise itself.
That he makes light of men–including white men–converting to Islam and even waging violent Jihad against us is inderstandible because it offers them sex slaves is just sickening. He may be obsessed with forcing women to breed with him. but most Western men are *not* like this–what calumny.
Robin DiAngelo and Karen Armstrong are indeed disgusting–but so are tools like Craig Considine, whom OTTER would prefer to ignore.
The war against Western culture is one I have always deplored, and said so many times here–OTTER’s pretending I have not is bizarre.
And OTTER has many times lamented that Westerners have taken the stance that women around the world–including Muslm women–don’t deserve to be mutilated, forced into marriage, beaten, and “Honor Killed”. Bad dhimmis! This is “poison”, according to OTTER.
No surprise, since he has never once condemned any of these horrors, and openly advocates for other similar ones.
The idea that it is necessary to adopt the backward savagery of Islam in order to oppose it is irrational–as it would have been that we must embrace Fascism in order to defeat the Nazis.
But given his posting history here, OTTER seems far more focused on being able to rape women than he does actually standing against Jihad. He just thinks that he can use Jihad Watch to push his twisted agenda without anyone pointing out his barbarism.
terry sullivan says
another barmy bliar babe?
she should be removed
terry sullivan says
we dont want them in uk either–anyone know where begum is?
Giacomo Latta says
“If the shoe were on the other foot we would take responsibility, that would be the right thing to do and I ask Australia to do the same.”
So what point is she trying to make here? If she thinks Australia should take in these terrorists, current and future, then she should be trying to beat Canberra to it by taking advantage of the fact they have New Zealand citizenship as well. Perhaps she wants Australia to offer to take them back in the hope that muslima will flip a coin to decide where to go next. In either case she is not being the selfless humanist that she portrays to the world.
unbeliever1 says
“If the shoe were on the other foot we would take responsibility, that would be the right thing to do and I ask Australia to do the same.”
This line reminds me of an Andy Capp joke,where he takes the bigger piece of a cake and Flow says,”If it were me, I would have taken the smaller piece.” Andy response was,”What are you complaining about? You have the smaller piece.”
Kilauea says
This unethical politician thinks she can guilt Australia into granting something that this terrorist does not deserve. Truly despicable. These do as I say, not as i do jerks make me ill.
OLD GUY says
All countries should cancel citizenship to terrorist and closely look at any muslim or islamic person wanting entrance to their country. Open borders allow your enemy to just walk in and infiltrate your country.
simpleton1 says
Sounds like this woman is bit careless, having lost 2 husbands.
Suhayra Aden travelled to Syria several years ago to live under Islamic State and, while there, married and had three children to two Swedish men, who both died.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/dylan-welch-and-paul-buchanan-on-suhayra-adens-standard-setting-case/
No mention of Swedish fathers, about Sweden where the fathers of the children came from.
Would there still be family related to the kids there?
Native Swede, Ethnic Swede, Immigrant Swede, but all are Passport holders.
This giving out Passports out seems to be rather a hand out, like a lotto tickets.//
gravenimage says
Actually, having husbands who die in Jihad is prized by pious Muslimahs.
Dick says
Yip
Pray Hard says
I love watching the left eat its own.
James Lincoln says
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has that spaced out, Leftist countenance…
Andrew Blackadder says
This silly silly woman should just do as Mutter Merkel did, welcome all muslims into New Zealand and have all the infidel females wear a Hijab as she does and then the country will be well and truly fucked…
This feminist PM is like the feminist Government of Sweden where they claimed to be the first all female Government in the World and then they went to Iran and all wore a head rag and long coats in order to identify with all the other feminists in Iran.
Notice that this NZ PM would never think of wearing a Christian Cross OPENLY when in a mosque or speaking about the slaughtering of Christians around the islamic World… oops with a second… she never spoke about Christians being slaughtered anywhere, or wee girls being raped… that would be islaomo… you know… the thing…
Oh how the muslim men laugh at such females in the Western World.
L. R. B. Mann says
Some Australasian media are reporting that the woman in question had already lost her Australian citizenship compulsorily, entailed in a prior conviction. No new action has been taken by the Australian govt.
Vito E says
“New Zealand, frankly, is tired of having Australia exporting its problems,” Ardern said.
Well Ms Ardern, there is an answer to your dilemma. Do what Australia did and revoke the Citizenship of the ISIS terrorist! Especially since she hasn’t lived in NZ since 6yrs old. The ISIS female shows she has no allegiance to your country, nor will she assimilate to NZ. Why make such absurd statements Ms. Ardern, as Australia “Exporting”? No, Australia actually protecting their people and being clear, there are consequences for joining terrorist groups! You can be bold, be a Leader to your people & do the same as Australia,
Ms Ardern!
Liberalism is truly a mental disorder, anywhere in the World!
Dick says
Hit the nail on the head there . Ardern being PM is the reSULT OF A CORRUPT UNDEMOCRATIC ELECTORAL SYSTEM called MMP where the minority rules . Wake up kiwis otherwise we are FUCKED !!
gregbeetham says
If you listen to Ardern you’d think that Australia somehow created this ISIS creature and therefore it’s our responsibility. What happened to the Muslim hugging Ardern? We didn’t want to deprive her of her favourite immigrant class so enjoy…enjoy, your welcome.
tgusa says
“New Zealand, frankly, is tired of having Australia exporting its problems,” Ardern said.”
Australia, and much of the world, frankly, are tired of being lectured by clueless western female politicians.
In the times we find ourselves in clueless western female politicians are the rule not the exception. We would be hard pressed to find a Margaret Thatcher among them.
somehistory says
Perhaps the gov of Australia could try this moslim female in absentia and, finding her guilty of terrorism, decree that if she returns, she will be given the severest penalty authorized by the nation’s laws.
And they could tell this islam-loving idiot in the NZ to mind her own business.
somehistory says
It really takes a huge ego to believe one can run a country…no matter the size…and still tell another country’s leaders what they should do. It’s doubtful that any one person has that much wisdom tucked inside his/her head. But, it’s especially evident when one puts on a scarf in order to acquiesce to the demands of moslims…and this idiot didn’t even seem to be at all reluctant to accept the demands.
tgusa says
In the West females have the most to lose under islam. I don’t know about Australia or New Zealand but in America men will have a greater stake in a major war against islamic conquest. The Supreme Court has ruled that only men must register for the selective service and that means that when the time comes to battle islamic supremacists men will be the majority of those having to put up a fight. Clueless western females and their soft on islam policy is a clear and present danger to men. Most men are not going to go down with that ship.
It appears that the Supreme Court has ruled that women are inferior to men which begs the question, should men even listen to clueless western women regarding islam?
somehistory says
No one, male or female should listen to anyone who is “clueless regarding islam.”
When one is ill, one goes to a doctor…supposedly they have more information on what could be wrong and what to do about it…and the choice of which one depends on where and by whom they got their knowledge and learned their skills.
People used to go…some people, anyway, ..to witch doctors and they would say a lot of mumbo jumbo and shake some things and burn some stinky weeds and ‘banish’ the evil spirits and the sick one would have to wear some other stinky stuff and/or do some other things and then be well.
Some people of are the mindset that ‘all people are the same’ and no one could be “that bad.” They refuse to listen to those who have ‘studied’ and ‘learned’ from ones who know the difference between moslims and their beliefs, and the average person…who may have another belief or are going along without.
So, they go to the witch doctor and ask him what is wrong with islam? The witch doctor is clueless about this real evil, so he tells the inquiring one, go home and invite the nearest moslim to dinner. And all will be well.
If this sounds insane, I’m sorry, but I’m just about to the limit of what I can absorb from this wicked world and the idiots who have taken over, telling the rest of us how wrong we are, how racist we are, how they have to make us over to be like them, etc.
Dick says
Right on
tgusa says
I am past my limit. Give it a little time and you will be too. Anyone who isn’t close to reaching their limit is probably insane and a witch doctor with double stinky stuff will be of no help with that.
somehistory says
Years ago, when I first found this site, I was looking for information…accurate info…on islam, terrorism, jihad meaning, as I had to write a paper for an anti-terrorism class I was taking. There wasn’t a lot available on the net then, and when I found this site, there weren’t nearly as many articles, stories, accounts, etc., so I could read them all, and most of the comments…until any one article rec’d so many comments that my old computer couldn’t load the pages. The day following would not have many added articles, so I could read all, but I was not commenting. Just gathering info for my paper.
Today is so different. Every morning , there are new articles, and then some will be added later on. I don’t even try reading all of them any longer as I don’t have time…nor can I stretch my nerves that far and still be able to function in the rest of my life and responsibilities.
Due to my eyesight troubles, I have had to take time off from reading all of the evil, the madness, and the mad evil, at different times. But my level of nerves for reading, replying, etc., has greatly diminished, while my anger at the fools running the show has greatly increased. And I try to be a nice person, overall. May have to take a break and work on relearning to play guitar. It’s just making my chording fingers sore, but somehow, the pain is easier to handle than what is happening out there…and closing in on us.
Praying a whole lot.
tgusa says
“Years ago, when I first found this site, I was looking for information…”
Me too.
I first found this site through a question I posted at Daniel Pipes site. In those days there was a companion Dhimmi Watch site as well. I guess the overlap between Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch became so pervasive the sites combined under one heading.
gravenimage says
Yes–I found this site due to a reference by Theodore Dalrymple in 2006. I was looking for answers about Islam as well. There are other useful good Anti-Jihad sites, but I have never found anything as good as Jihad Watch.
gravenimage says
Women have as much or more to lose in the case of Islamic conquest.
I stand against this insanity, as do all Anti-Jihad women.
tgusa says
That’s good. Be proud and be loud. In this day and age when men speak out those women will call them sexist woman haters in an effort to deflect from their ill conceived notions but they cannot use that tactic against you.
gravenimage says
tgusa, I am glad to stand with men and women Anti-Jihadists.
tgusa says
As is sometimes said, you are preaching to the choir. I know that but the opposition needs to be forced to learn that lesson good and hard.