French authorities offer the most imaginative excuse for jihad violence yet. My latest in FrontPage:
Here’s a new one: the marijuana excuse. For years authorities all over Europe have dismissed clear cases of jihad violence as “mental illness,” but that one is so overused now, it’s understandable that officials would be casting about for new and imaginative ways to hoodwink their people into think that there really isn’t any jihad in the West at all, just a few unfortunate incidents and misunderstood adherents of the world’s most peaceful and tolerant religion. But sometimes even willfully ignorant dhimmi authorities can go too far with this wishful thinking.
So it is that in France, according to the Jerusalem Post Thursday, the appellate Court of Cassation has begun deliberations on whether to overturn the ruling that a Muslim named Kabili Traoré, who murdered an elderly Jewish woman while screaming “Allahu akbar,” will not be tried because he was high on marijuana at the time of the killing. That’s right: French authorities are on record now that if you get high, killing Jews is A-OK.
The cannabis, you see, allegedly compromised Traoré’s “discernment.” The lower court judge “cited psychiatric evaluations saying Traoré’s consumption of marijuana before the incident led to a ‘delirious episode’ that made him not legally responsible for his actions.” The millions of Americans who have smoked marijuana might wonder how it is that they never got so stoned as to think that throwing a 65-year-old woman out of the window of her third-floor apartment was just the thing to do, but that is now a matter for the Court of Cassation to decide. Muriel Ouaknine Melki, who is a lawyer for the family of Traoré’s victim, Sarah Halimi, observed that the appeal will establish whether or not “the consumption of narcotics can be a cause for exonerating from penal responsibility in criminal matters.”
The case is unlikely, however, to herald a sea change in French jurisprudence. If Traoré’s legal team wins the case, and he continues to be considered not criminally responsible for his act, other accused criminals who can convincingly establish that they were stoned at the time of the act will not suddenly begin to be let off in large numbers. As everyone knows but no one wishes to say, the lower court issued its preposterous ruling not based on a rational evaluation of some correlation between marijuana use and violent anti-Semitism, but wholly and solely because Kobili Traoré is a Muslim who was acting upon his Islamic beliefs regarding Jews, and French authorities don’t wish either to antagonize their restive and prickly Muslim community, or face the ugly reality of Islamic anti-Semitism.
Traoré made it abundantly clear that he was acting on Islamic beliefs. On April 4, 2017, he entered Halimi’s apartment, which was next to his own, and while screaming “Allahu akbar” and calling Halimi “Satan” and “Dirty Jew,” he began to torture her, and ultimately threw her out of her apartment window to her death. The cry of “Allahu akbar,” so beloved of jihadis, and his calling this elderly woman “Satan” indicate the Traoré is aware of teachings such as the Qur’an’s statement that the Jews are the Muslims’ worst enemies (5:82), cursed by Allah (9:30), and to be warred against (9:29).
But Islamic anti-Semitism is the last thing French authorities want to deal with. So they didn’t. Then in June 2017, eighteen prominent French citizens, including historian Georges Bensoussan and philosopher Alain Finkielkraut, joined Frédérique Ries, a member of the European Parliament from Belgium, to lodge a public protest of the fact that the Paris Prosecutor’s Office did not charge Traore with a hate crime, and did not mention anti-Semitism in his indictment.
“French authorities,” said Ries, “have treated her murder with icy silence. No national mobilization for Sarah, she died as the media remained quasi-indifferent.” Some speculated that French authorities glossed over the uncomfortable facts of this case in order not to give ammunition to the Presidential campaign of Marine Le Pen, who was and is calling for an end to France’s open-door immigration policies.
Reining in Marine Le Pen and the “far-right” was more important to French authorities than reining in the likes of Kobili Traoré. And with the marijuana ruling, it got even worse, no doubt far worse than many of those prominent French citizens who protested in June 2017 could have imagined.
Imagine (although this would never happen) if this had been a Jew or Christian who smoked pot, screamed about his religion, and killed a Muslim. Would he be found “not criminally responsible”? Of course not. But in France today, as all over Western Europe, the primary job of the courts and law enforcement authorities is to make sure that Muslims aren’t enraged. They must be appeased at all costs. Will this lead in the long run to a peaceful and harmonious multicultural society? What do you think? And will the Court of Cassation have the courage, in this era of pandemic cowardice, to do the right thing.
Mike says
Muslims doing drugs are punishably by death
make it so
Quran: 5:91 & 2
GOLDMANN says
“An elderly woman”! She was only 65 that’s young !! ? I thought you ment someone in their mid 80’s or 90’s!!. Oh !l am 61 so l am “elderly” , CERTAINLY NOT!. how old are you Mr Spencer ?, I’d say late 40’s ?. This 1 time l disagree with you ,giving FALSE information. ??
gregbeetham says
She was elderly by comparison to her murderer, he was 27 while she was 66, are you seriously suggesting she would be able to defend herself against such a murderous thug who had a string of prior convictions, and who was less than half her age?
GOLDMANN says
Hiya Greg ? no l am not .
Deb Macleod says
The bible says mans’ years run to 3 score & 10, equals 70.
Yes, over 60 is OLD and therefore he is correct in saying the lady was ELDERLY.
I am 65 and happy to say I am a Senior Cit. Aged pensions start here in Australia age 66, facts are facts, Goldmann.
GOLDMANN says
Well miss MacLeod.? I say 65 is young .sad you think your old.? age is just a number. G’day as you Australians say?
GOLDMANN says
Ms MacLeod are you a Christian? Quoting the Bible ✝️
gravenimage says
Sarah Halimi was 65. And yes, this is considered elderly by many people–there is nothing false about this. Certainly, she was vulnerable, and no match for her 27-year-old murderer.
I am more concerned about her terrible murder than whether she should be considered old or not.
By the way, I am the same age as GOLDMANN here.
toomanyhobbies says
Oh I see that somehow makes murder OK if you are stoned???? HOW!!
nicholas tesdorf says
Being drunk used to be an extenuating circumstance in French Traffic Accidents. Being a Muslim and stoned is now an extenuating circumstance in Murder. There is a pattern to this.
mortimer says
NOW IN FRANCE!
The Hashisheen were an esoteric terrorist sect founded in 11th-century Persia that used hashish-drugged warriors to assassinate the kufaar.
Rod says
Meanwhile, neither the Swedish Prime Minister, nor Swedish police, nor the world’s media have suggested that the Vetlanda axe assailant was Muslim.
Only eminent and imaginative historian Robert Spencer has made this important “discovery”.
No doubt his best sellers are full of equally imaginative “discoveries”.
How reliable are any of his “discoveries”? Read on, at your own risk.
Wellington says
Dealing with the matter at hand, Rod, which you conveniently deflected from, the pertinent statement in this article is “…whether to overturn the ruling that a Muslim named Kabili Traore, who murdered an elderly Jewish woman while screaming ‘Allahu Akbar,’ will not be tried because he was high on marijuana….”
It’s France here, Rod, that is the country du jour of this latest Muslim atrocity. And you want to “go” to Sweden. You could at least, so dishonest as you have proven to be many times over, stay “on topic.” But alas, even this is beyond you and partially why (but only partially) you are looked upon as a buffoon by so many here at JW—you know, those who really do care what Islam intends for all the world, including death for apostasy (e.g., Sura 4:89) and the actual sanctioning of rape (e.g., Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70) and for the truth in general.
All that you state, all that you assert, only casts a greater dismal light on Islam and Western dhimmis making excuses for Islam. Keep up the good work, Rod Do so. You unwittingly aid the forces aligned against the worst religion of all time far better than you realize—or almost certainly will ever realize.
Rod says
I’ve read all those words, Wellington, avidly, hoping to learn that Spencer’s apparent deception was an unfortunate misunderstanding. But, no, disappointed again. Instead, as usual, you’ve refused to stay “on topic”. But there are just too many topics which are too uncomfortable to stay on, aren’t there?
So, Spencer’s reputation remains where I left it.
PS. I make no “excuses” for Islam, as you would have noticed, had you wanted to. Another uncomfortable topic?
Wellington says
How is bringing up Sweden when the article is about what happened in France demonstrative of your staying on topic, Rod?
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
GOLDMANN says
Wellington. Wish l was articulate with words and spelling like you. ??❤️?
James Lincoln says
GOLDMANN,
Yes, not only is Wellington articulate, but he is a true scholar in American / world history and current events.
I have learned much from him…
gravenimage says
Media has affirmed that the axe assailant is from Afghanistan. Non-Muslims make up less than 1% of the population there–just a few thousand in the entire country,
Yet “Rod” desperately hope we don’t know that.
Then, he screamed “Allahu Akbar!” as he attacked his victims. Is “Rod” pretending that this has nothing to do with Islam? I guess so…
Meanwhile, does he have a problem with Kabili Traoréith having murdered this poor elderly Jewish woman? Not so he says…
Rod says
Pinocchio rides again!
Were there the usual 40 murders in the USA today?
Were any committed by Christians? Against Jewish women? Against Muslim women? Against Christian women?
And were there any such murders in France? Or Canada? Or Argentina? Or New Zealand? Shut up Rod! It’s Muslim murders that are important, you idiot!
We need more of your statistics, Pinocchio. Then we’ll know whether to be outraged or not.
gregbeetham says
The vast majority of murders in the USA are committed by black Africans on black Africans over drugs and almost none are committed in the name of an alternative religion to Islam, whereas the Muslim murderers do commit murders in the name of Islam.
mortimer says
Dear smug ‘Rod’, ride this. A similar axe attack occurred in 2018 … another Afghan MUSLIM …
“German axe attack on train: Isil claims Afghan refugee … fighter ”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/18/german-train-axe-attack-many-injured/
18-Jul-2016·Attacker is 17-year-old Afghan refugee I slamic State has claimed an Afghan teenager who attacked passengers on a train in Germany with an axe on Monday night as one of its ‘fighters’.
………………………………….
A FIGHTER FOR ISIS.
Rod says
So greg, to kill for one particular religion is unforgivable, (and we know which religion we mean, don’t we), but to kill for money, or jealousy, or lust, or drunken rage is not so bad. If you’re black, it’s worse, of course.
I don’t think the legal system has caught up with your thinking yet. That’s because you are telling us what bigotry is about, and bigotry is not recognised by judges..
gregbeetham says
Rod, I’m describing the reality that exists, I’m not inventing stuff, yes there have been some mass murders in the USA, and apart from one similar event in Australia (and one in NZ and one in Norway with a religious basis) it is something peculiar to the USA mostly, and mostly without any religious component with the exception of Islam, there have been murderous attacks by Muslims large and small in the USA based on the Islamic jihad doctrine.
So with that in mind it would have to be admitted by any reasonable person that Islam is a dangerous cult if its religious structure promotes aggression and murder, there is no bigotry involved because you can’t be bigoted against a religion.
But even if there was some oblique method of being bigoted against a murderous religious cult I’m in.
Rod says
So mortimer, can we assume then, that any axe attack, in any country, is committed by a Muslim, because Islamic State “claimed” the one in Germany five years ago?
Is that how journalists and police forces and justice systems should work? It seems to be the way one “eminent historian” works, but it’s not the way rational people think.
Perhaps the Swedish attack was committed by a Muslim, though the Swedes seem reluctant to describe it as terrorism, and have not used the term ‘Muslim’ (as far as I know). So for Spencer to claim that it was a Muslim without evidence, is dishonest. For him to cite Sputnik News as evidence, when Sputnik News does not provide evidence is doubly dishonest. Looks to me like bigotry at work.
Giacomo Latta says
And such is the concern and sadness displayed by Rod over the cruel and inhumane murder of a defenceless elderly and thus physically feeble lady. His own mental and emotional problems need as much attention as those of Traoré. It seems he has read the koran as well.
gravenimage says
Of course, murdering for any reason is wrong. It is also illegal in civilized nations.
But to invite people in who adhere to a creed that sacralizes the murder of unbelievers is madness-as this case proves.
“Hamas: ‘Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/hamas-killing-jews-is-worship-that-draws-us-close-to-allah
And rates of violent crime in general have skyrocketed in places overrun with Muslims. But “Rod” wants us to ignore that–or, worse, embrace it. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
“Rod” keeps claiming that noting that Afghanistan is almost 100% Muslim is “dishonest”–he never says how this is so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Afghanistan
Moreover, he screamed “Allahu Akbar!” during the attack. How many Infidels are Muslim supremacists?
Rod says
No greg, I’m not talking about mass murders. I’m talking about the dozens of murders that are committed EVERY DAY in the USA, against men, women and children. Murders committed for all sorts of reasons, but which end up with dozens of people dead, EVERY DAY.
And I’m curious to know how some people, knowing this happens, EVERY DAY, can be convinced that one single murder on the other side of the world is of very special significance, and must be discussed and condemned, and the perpetrator vilified as if this single crime outweighs the dozens committed EVERY DAY, under your own noses.
The reason, of course is that this one murder is thought to be committed “in the name of Islam”. As if to kill in the name of Islam is a vastly more serious crime than to kill, say, for money or sex or drugs. The law and the courts don’t think so. Why do you?
gregbeetham says
Rod, how demented with hate does one have to be to climb up the outside of the building you live in just to murder an elderly female who poses no threat to oneself? The lowlife in question did this based on his religious beliefs and this is not an isolated incident it’s a theme repeated over and over by those possessed by the demonic cult of Islam. Take a look at ‘The Religion of Peace’ where they have recorded 38,717 murderous obscenities conducted by Muslims since 9/11 and all done in the name of their religion.
No other religion deliberately promotes this demonic behaviour.
Yes nobody can deny there are lots of murders in the USA each year, take the 2019 murders broken down into racial groups for instance, (some jurisdictions don’t provide racial data).
Whites murdered = 5,787 while Blacks murdered= 7,484 (with 656 race not stated)
And this is with blacks being a minority.
What we are saying is that almost none of those were done in the name of a religion unless Islam was involved. I couldn’t find any information (national statistics) on the percentage of murders that would have had a religious connection, well, none provided in 2019 at least, but you can bet that if they begin listing religion as a category in murder statistics it would be Islam that would take the religious murder prize by a country mile.
gravenimage says
In other words, how *dare* you ‘filthy Infidels’ notice the savagery of Islam–and that Jihad terror is becoming expoentially worse as more Muslim flood into the West? Bad dhimmis!
Rod says
Thank you greg, for confirming that you cannot or dare not answer my question.
Which is: Why do you think that a single murder in the name of Islam, committed on the other side of the world, is more dreadful than the dozens of murders every day, committed under your noses, for money or sex or drugs?
Any other volunteers?
Follow up question – why does the law not think as you do?
And for greg’s information, the “38,717 murderous obscenities conducted by Muslims since 9/11 and all done in the name of their religion” amount to about 2000 per year.
Americans, many of them Christians, kill each other more than seven times as often as this. That looks to me like the real ongoing disastrous obscenity. So, doesn’t my question deserve an answer?
gregbeetham says
Rod said: “Thank you greg, for confirming that you cannot or dare not answer my question.
Which is: Why do you think that a single murder in the name of Islam, committed on the other side of the world, is more dreadful than the dozens of murders every day, committed under your noses, for money or sex or drugs?
Any other volunteers?”
It is dreadful because of the manner in which it was done; horrific would be an appropriate description, and besides that it was done in the name of a supposed religion; you do understand what that means I take it? Islam so corrupts the soul that it causes obscenities like that to be perpetrated, therefore Islam is an abomination.
And as stated before this is just another example of many similar atrocities.
I consider the question answered as to why it is more heinous than drug turf wars that claim thousands of lives each year.
Rod said: “Follow up question – why does the law not think as you do?”
I have no idea what the law thinks.
Rod said: “And for greg’s information, the “38,717 murderous obscenities conducted by Muslims since 9/11 and all done in the name of their religion” amount to about 2000 per year.
Americans, many of them Christians, kill each other more than seven times as often as this. That looks to me like the real ongoing disastrous obscenity. So, doesn’t my question deserve an answer?”
For Rod’s information, the 38,717 murderous obscenities conducted in the name of Islam aren’t always single murder attacks, most of them involve many deaths at the same time (tens or hundreds) thus the actual total in lives lost could be in the hundreds of thousands.
Maybe you didn’t catch it the first time, Christians don’t kill in the name of Christianity, it does not happen, kapish? Yes people who could belong to the Christian faith have committed murder in the past but they don’t do it in the NAME of Christianity, well, they don’t in this day and age at least.
The Spanish inquisition ran off the rails and some bishops in France did some regrettable stuff but Christianity had Muslim teachers for hundreds of years, they learnt that you don’t win against evil unless you get your hands dirty.
gravenimage says
“Rod’s” pretending that allowing murdeous Muslims to flood into any part of the West is beneficial is of course grotesque.
Rod says
First non-answer. Well done Pinocchio – a blatant lie as usual.
gravenimage says
What did I say that is untrue? “Rod” does not say, of course.
Rod says
Yes, greg, we know it’s “dreadful” for all sorts of reasons. I don’t dispute that. Nor does anybody else.
I won’t bore you by repeating the question, but you have not answered it. Clue: “more dreadful” is the issue.
Again you want me to accept that because Christians don’t kill in the name of Christianity, their murders are less dreadful than the murders committed by Muslims.
Why?
Perhaps you don’t understand the question, and perhaps that’s why you hold bigoted beliefs. But you have not answered it.
PS. A little simple arithmetic will tell you that the numbers of murders of Americans by Americans since 9/11 does indeed run into the hundreds of thousands. It is an ongoing obscenity. But you prefer to focus instead on Paris or Sweden, or wherever Mr Spencer wants you to.
gregbeetham says
Rod said: “Yes, greg, we know it’s “dreadful” for all sorts of reasons. I don’t dispute that. Nor does anybody else.
I won’t bore you by repeating the question, but you have not answered it. Clue: “more dreadful” is the issue”.
Rod, the point you don’t seem to grasp is that none of the murders caused by the disciples of Islam can be justified on the basis that the victims don’t believe in Islam or just belong to a different religion.
Jihad is institutionalised death to unbelievers because the religion of Islam proclaims it should be so and it is the ONLY religion to have that in its scripture. Islam hands out the death penalty for a plethora of other categories as well, adultery, homosexuality, honour killing, apostasy and occasionally for a refusal to become a Muslim or for simply being a Jew or a Christian. Islam also informs the followers that killing disbelievers in the name of Islam and getting killed in the process ensures a place by Allah’s side in Jannah.
That is why any unnecessary murder caused by Islam is an abomination, it causes victims in both directions, there are the actual victims who didn’t deserve to die and the murderers who killed people because of a false religion, and they are condemned to purgatory.
Make no mistake the murderers will answer for their crimes.
Rod said: “Again you want me to accept that because Christians don’t kill in the name of Christianity, their murders are less dreadful than the murders committed by Muslims.
Why?”
I never said the murders conducted by criminals were less dreadful at any time, those are your words. The point you keep missing is that murders committed by Muslims are extra murders in the world that are totally unnecessary and therefore an abomination even worse than a gangbanger driveby murder, because at some point somebody will uncover some kind of reason for the gangbanger murder and therefore understandable at least, whereas the Muslim murders are not understandable or forgivable in this day and age under any circumstances.
Rod said: “Perhaps you don’t understand the question, and perhaps that’s why you hold bigoted beliefs. But you have not answered it”.
I have answered it to my satisfaction, and you are beginning to be boring. You keep on missing details already covered such as you can’t be bigoted against a religion.
Rod said: “PS. A little simple arithmetic will tell you that the numbers of murders of Americans by Americans since 9/11 does indeed run into the hundreds of thousands. It is an ongoing obscenity. But you prefer to focus instead on Paris or Sweden, or wherever Mr Spencer wants you to”.
Again, any murder conducted in the name of Islam is inexcusable and won’t be excused in the afterlife either; all Muslim murderers will end up burning for eternity.
gravenimage says
“Rod’s” shtick is that if any Infidels commit crimes that this means that their societies should welcome Muslims murdering elderly Jewish people and committing axe attacks against people on the street.
The fact is that Muslims commit crimes out of all proportion to their numbers, because they adhere to a violent creed that sacralizes violence against Infidels. There is no society, whatever its existing problems, that is improved by importing murderous Muslims.
Then, his implication that France is some sort of obscure corner of the globe is also very strange.
Rod says
Well, it seems greg, that you believe murders committed in the name of Islam are somehow particularly odious; though not “more dreadful” than any other murders.
So why single one of them out, say in France, for particular condemnation, while not having equal concern about a man who might kill his own wife for suspected adultery in Chicago, or a man who night kill his own child in Miami because its crying drove him crazy, or a man who kills a stranger for his wallet in New York, even though about forty such killings occur under your nose EVERY DAY?
Strangely, very strangely, you cannot tell me why.
Yes, I note your mention of “extra murders”. I’m trying to see why the forty a day might be viewed as regular, routine, unremarkable murders. Am I getting close?
gregbeetham says
Rod said: “Well, it seems greg, that you believe murders committed in the name of Islam are somehow particularly odious; though not “more dreadful” than any other murders.
Rod you are losing it, try and focus, murders done in the name of Islam are particularly odious because murdering in the name of a religion can’t be justified, none of the other murders you want to deviate too repeatedly can be condoned of course but you can’t deflect from Muslim murders by bringing those into the discussion, sorry that defence is stricken.
Rod said: “So why single one of them out, say in France, for particular condemnation, while not having equal concern about a man who might kill his own wife for suspected adultery in Chicago, or a man who night kill his own child in Miami because its crying drove him crazy, or a man who kills a stranger for his wallet in New York, even though about forty such killings occur under your nose EVERY DAY?
Strangely, very strangely, you cannot tell me why.”
Yes, I note your mention of “extra murders”. I’m trying to see why the forty a day might be viewed as regular, routine, unremarkable murders. Am I getting close?”
Stay on topic, we are discussing murders committed by Muslims in compliance with their demonic religion and not western social degradation, ghettos, illegal aliens, lawlessness, poverty and drug abuse; those are separate issues not related to religion.
Bottom line; the satanic cult of Islam that orders its followers to go forth and commit murder of non believers just because they don’t believe in that religion is an abomination and should be banned from all western civilization, and the sooner it happens the better.
Rod says
Of course your description of Muslim murders as “totally unnecessary” calls for some explanation too. Am I to conclude that the murder by a Christian man of his wife is….”necessary”? Really?
Looking at the murder rates in most other western countries, including mine, I’m inclined to suggest that most of the horrifying numbers of murders committed by Americans against each other are “totally unnecessary”. Perhaps you and Mr Spencer have your wires very badly crossed, and should be directing your outrage elsewhere..
gregbeetham says
Rod said: “Of course your description of Muslim murders as “totally unnecessary” calls for some explanation too. Am I to conclude that the murder by a Christian man of his wife is….”necessary”? Really?”
Rod stay on topic, we’ve covered your ‘Christian murders’ and found they don’t exist because Christians aren’t commanded to kill, in fact they are commanded NOT to kill, but Muslim murders do exist because Muslims are commanded to kill, it is in their satanic holy book for them to kill disbelievers.
Rod said “Looking at the murder rates in most other western countries, including mine, I’m inclined to suggest that most of the horrifying numbers of murders committed by Americans against each other are “totally unnecessary”. Perhaps you and Mr Spencer have your wires very badly crossed, and should be directing your outrage elsewhere”
Rod most murders in the west are drug related especially by gangbangers in the USA, and also here in Australia the drug problem is the leading cause of disputes and killings, people welshing on drug debts etc.
Again ad nausea this problem has nothing to do with Muslims killing people because they aren’t Muslim so try to stay focussed on the issue.
Giacomo Latta says
Apparently, Sanatorium Rod does not know that the West has justice systems to deal with the kinds of murders he describes. They are not welcomed nor tolerated by the populace, unless perhaps in his own real or virtual part of the world. Should he ever be able to find a link between such murders and any real religion, as opposed to the death cult we deal with here, then he should open his own PresbyterianWatch or whatever web site.
gravenimage says
Obviously, gregbeetham notes that Muslim murders are totally unnecessary in the West *not* because he is advocating Christians murdering their wives (what is this even a referrence to?) but because there is no reason for the civilized West to import Muslim murderers like the one who murdered this poor Jewish woman.
And “Rod’s” implication that figures in the United States or anywhere else would be improved by importing more Muslim murderers is just bizarre.
Rod says
greg, homicide rates per 100,000 population per annum –
USA 5.3
France 1.3
Sweden 1.1
Australia 0.8
There is a huge problem in US society which results in horrific rates of violence by world standards (for example, four times the French murder rate). Caused by drugs you say? That’s an excuse? What does it matter what the cause is – drugs, guns, culture – blame what you like, it’s appalling, and it’s American.
So what’s with your obsession with Muslim murders in France, or Latvia, or Basutoland??? Americans like Spencer are concerned that a man in Sweden injures seven people? Americans? Seriously? Where 40 people are murdered EVERY DAY?
So they have “justice systems” in the West. Gee! So horrific violence is OK then? But a murder in France is “totally unnecessary”?
You tell me in all seriousness that Muslims are “commanded to kill”. But you know perfectly well that if they were, there would be millions of murders every day world wide. You know that you yourself would never be safe.
I travelled last year through a Muslim country. I, easily recognisable by dress and language as an “infidel”, was met with the usual quiet courtesy and kindness by Muslim hotel staff, taxi drivers, shop keepers, casual acquaintances. Nobody thought about killing me. How odd.
Years ago I lived and worked for years in Muslim countries. Muslims cared for my children. Nobody attempted to kill me, or any of the other thousands of westerners living in the community. How odd.
You people are deluded. Delusion is a conviction resolutely adhered to while convincing evidence to the contrary is all around you. It takes a special kind of idiocy. Sometimes called bigotry.
gregbeetham says
Rod there is such a command in the Koran and Muslims don’t necessary know all of what is in their book, I heard they observe the prayers…usually, and go to Friday prayer and listen to the Imam but very few Muslims actually study the Koran, or so I’m informed.
From what I’ve been led to believe the problems can start with Muslim children in Islamic schools being taught Islamic studies and it depends on the teachers what they get taught. The parents might be fine with their level of commitment or they maybe orthodox but not with a scholarly level of knowledge, or they could be fundamentalist like ISIS-Wahabbi in which case non Muslims can end up getting killed because the fundamentalists actually follow the scripture.
Where is this going? Well the thing is, nobody can tell when a normal Muslim decides to become a fundamentalist Muslim and any one of the billion odd Muslims in the world today can switch from one to the other at any time if there is any doubt about how he or she will fare in the afterlife. Committing Jihad and killing disbelievers (as per the Koran) and getting killed in the process is a sure fire method of getting a ticket to Jannah and not to the other place.
So what it comes down to with importing lots of Muslims into your/our country it’s a lottery with what you actually get in the way of religious commitment but I think whatever they happen to be is an unacceptable risk to impose on our own citizens.
Rod says
“From what I’ve been led to believe the problems can start with Muslim children in Islamic schools being taught Islamic studies”
What problem is that, greg? Is it the problem that many Muslims believe he or she must kill non-believers, though strangely, they never do so? Or is it that half the Muslims believe this? Or that a tiny proportion believe it, and very few of them will ever act on the belief anyway? While westerners kill each other in appalling numbers and will continue to do so every day?
You do know, of course, that I, like thousands of others, live and/or travel in Muslim countries in perfect safety, because Muslim countries DO have laws, framed by Muslim lawmakers, against murdering ANYBODY. And because murder is as repugnant to most Muslims as it is to us. You do know, I imagine, that there are Muslims in your own community, living peaceful, productive lives, with no intention of harming anybody. Yet, you pretend that they believe in murder as a duty. That is wilful ignorance, an essential component of bigotry.
I have never met a Muslim who wants to murder anybody. I doubt that you ever have, or ever will.
Why don’t you try to convince the world that the earth is flat? You seem to have the right sort of mentality.
PS. We still haven’t solved the problem of why a murder in the name of Islam in France is more outrageous than a rapist westerner in Chicago who kills his victim to conceal the crime, or a man who kills his own wife because he hates her. Or why when Spencer directs your outrage to France or Sweden instead of Chicago, you all hasten to agree, like obedient mindless little puppy dogs.
gregbeetham says
Rod I realize you mean well but you aren’t taking stock of the facts adequately. There have been attacks by Muslims here in Oz that are typical of insane Jihadists; how does that fit with your vision of Islamic utopia?
Tell me why we needed those attacks, keeping in mind that without Muslims none of them would have happened.
The left desperately want to decouple Jihad from Islam in order to create a fake whitewashed version of Islam which is mission impossible because it is a fundamental principal of Islam so all they accomplish is a loss of credibility and become irrelevant to the discussion, and Rod that’s where you are at the moment.
When it comes to your version of bigotry the only charge you can make is our legitimate re-coupling of Jihad with Islam back where it belongs and if that’s the only game you’ve got then you lose more credibility, if that’s possible.
Just a reminder, the topic is Islam and Jihad not gangbangers in Chicago.
gravenimage says
“Rod” wrote:
What problem is that, greg? Is it the problem that many Muslims believe he or she must kill non-believers, though strangely, they never do so?
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That “Rod” says this on a story about a pious Muslim killing a non-believer is just bizarre. If Muslims “never do so”, then how did this happen? In fact, Jihadists regularly murder unbelievers.
And Greg, I’m afraid that constant apologist for Jihad savagery “Rod” does *not* mean well.
gregbeetham says
Yes, on reflection maybe I was too generous in giving him the benefit of the doubt; I was thinking of his defence of non violent Muslims, but even those will passively agree with murderous Jihadists privately if one takes into account the testimony of ex-Muslims.
Rod says
greg, a few more snippets of reality for you to “take stock of adequately”, or to completely disregard, just as you’ve done with all the others –
Your words-
“attacks by Muslims here in Oz that are typical of insane Jihadists; how does that fit with your vision of Islamic utopia?”
(I’ve never mentioned Islamic utopia, you’re straying into Pinocchio’s territory.) However,
On the anniversary of the Christchurch massacres, it’s my melancholy duty to tell you that the number of Muslims killed by Australians in Australia, New Zealand and Afghanistan far exceeds the number of Australians and New Zealanders killed by Muslims. (You’ve no doubt heard of the murders of Afghan civilians by Australian soldiers. Every Muslim has.) But it is Muslim “attacks” you obsess about? That’s odd! Peaceful law abiding Muslims are afraid of people like you, with good reason.
While you “take stock” of this simple truth, let’s wonder how many Muslims have been killed by Americans. They have a huge advantage, with bombs, missiles dropped into closely settled cities, mortars and machine guns aimed by battalions of highly trained troops. The fake pretext was the search for imaginary WMDs, but you tell me about Islam’s “loss of credibility”? And Americans, like you, obsess about Muslim violence.
I’ve never denied the coupling of jihad with Islam, greg. Again, an untrue allegation, which damages your credibility, just as lies damage Pinocchio’s.
The topic is indeed Islam, as you say, and your obsessions about it. More significantly, your inability to defend or justify such obsessions or prove your allegations to be true.
gregbeetham says
Rod said: “(You’ve no doubt heard of the murders of Afghan civilians by Australian soldiers. Every Muslim has.)”
Why not mention the image of the Australian soldier about to cut the throat of a child too? I bet you know about that one.
It is much more likely that the so called murders of Afghan civilians is propaganda because suddenly Muslims seem happy to believe the word of other Muslims when they are proven liars; for example how can someone setting roadside bombs be an innocent civilian?
What is more likely is, they are looking for a payday using extortion and inventing stuff.
War is deceit…remember?
Rod said: “I’ve never denied the coupling of jihad with Islam, greg. Again, an untrue allegation, which damages your credibility, just as lies damage Pinocchio’s.”
Maybe you didn’t deny directly but you just spent days defending Muslims you know personally all across the ME who wouldn’t hurt a fly, playing the victim card and whitewashing Islam in general, and all the while bringing a host of unrelated topics into the discussion (just like a Muslim would do actually) in an attempt to deflect and divert attention onto something else when their own argument has crashed and burnt due to a mountain of hypocrisy.
gravenimage says
Speaking of obsessions, isn’t it odd that “Rod” has posted probably a dozen times on this one thread–I’m not going to do an exact count, but there have been *a lot*–telling the ‘filthy Infidels’ here how terribly misguided they are to consider the Jihad murder of an elderly Jewish woman to be a bad thing, or to act to prevent similar murders. Bad dhimmis!
Rod says
propaganda, greg?
– Allegations (detailed, some with live film) made by serving military personnel against serving military personnel;
– investigated by the military high command and found to be credible; – then referred to the criminal courts for prosecution.
Propaganda indeed. You really do have an attack of the Pinocchio disease.
(Are these what you call “unrelated topics”? Topics you don’t want discussed?)
As I was saying (asking) –
How many Aussies have been killed in the last ten years by Muslims?
How many Muslims have been killed in the last ten years by Aussies?
How many Muslims have been killed since 2003 by Americans? (With Australian assistance in some cases, if I remember rightly)
PS. I do not ever defend Muslims who commit crimes.
But I do detest bigots, racists and liars, and love exposing their duplicity, hypocrisy and stupidity. It’s so easy, and so amusing. (see above).
gregbeetham says
Rod said; “propaganda, greg?
– Allegations (detailed, some with live film) made by serving military personnel against serving military personnel;
– investigated by the military high command and found to be credible; – then referred to the criminal courts for prosecution.
Propaganda indeed. You really do have an attack of the Pinocchio disease.
(Are these what you call “unrelated topics”? Topics you don’t want discussed?)”
So far it has been a trial by media but until a court passes judgement they haven’t been convicted of anything, sure some might have committed a crime and will pay the price but I wouldn’t believe the testimony from a Muslim because they habitually lie. The testimony of SAS members can be trusted I would think so until a court makes a judgement we should give them the benefit of the doubt, but I have no doubt where your loyalties lie and it isn’t with Australia.
Rod said: “As I was saying (asking) –
How many Aussies have been killed in the last ten years by Muslims?
How many Muslims have been killed in the last ten years by Aussies?
How many Muslims have been killed since 2003 by Americans? (With Australian assistance in some cases, if I remember rightly)”
I don’t know what the score is in either direction but if you are talking about the Afghan situation you probably should include the unprovoked attack on the WTC which is what started the whole thing, and then the scale would tip in the other direction most likely. The treachery of the Taliban and Al Qaeda knows no bounds, they have no honour, they hold family members of Afghan government soldiers prisoner and would be killed if they don’t launch a surprise internal ambush, something that has happened quite a few times with our soldiers killed by the traitors which means you can’t trust anyone, even those who are supposed to be on your team. And of course you Rod defend such people because if your sympathies are with them they certainly aren’t with us.
Rod said: “PS. I do not ever defend Muslims who commit crimes.”
Maybe not but you don’t condemn the actions of murdering Muslims when they commit yet another atrocity.
Rod said: “But I do detest bigots, racists and liars, and love exposing their duplicity, hypocrisy and stupidity. It’s so easy, and so amusing. (see above).”
Well then, there are plenty of those available in the Muslim ranks for you to condemn but you never seem to do that… no surprise there.
Rod conflating crime statistics in the USA with vermin like the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS etc. doesn’t get Islam off the hook because those terrorists are all evil, they do the work of Satan and belong to the same Satanic cult that all Muslims belong too.
Criminal activity in the west is just that, criminal activity, the perpetrators aren’t following an evil cult like the Taliban do that murders women with a shot in the head in a deserted football stadium; the reason why they would do such a thing is incomprehensible to anyone who is sane.
Some were executed because they didn’t have a male family member escort while going to get food for their children, and the reason why they didn’t have a male escort is because they had already been killed by the evil cult.
Criminals in the West don’t commit barbaric atrocities like burning people alive, of committing mass public beheadings just because they have a different religion, they are all performed by those who follow the cult of Satan and they are deluded into thinking they are doing the work of God.
Anyone with a few working brain cells should be able to work out for themselves that only Satan would make such a request.
gravenimage says
Jihadists have murdered 41 Australian troops in Afghanistan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_Defence_Force_casualties_in_Afghanistan
Rod says
Some were killed in accidents like aircraft crashes. Most were killed in combat by Afghans, involved in the armed occupation of Afghanistan, a foreign country.
Murdered? by Jihadists?
What would you do Pinocchio, if I wandered around in your country for years, killing your fellow countrymen, some of then unarmed civilians?
gravenimage says
“Rod” shows that he believes that those who removed the bloody Taliban from power deserve to be murdered. This scarcely surprises…
Rod says
Nobody deserves to be murdered, Pinocchio, not 41 Australians in 20 years, nor the 40 Americans murdered by Americans every day.
But those who invade other countries, heavily armed, involve themselves in combat with the locals, and allegedly kill unarmed civilians, are clearly putting their own lives at risk. Sadly, many Americans who involve themselves in America’s unceasing wars have learned this also.
Just what the Australians and Americans are doing in Afghanistan is a mystery. They’ve achieved nothing. What their objectives are, nobody seems to know.
gregbeetham says
Rod doesn’t know what we are doing in Afghanistan. Well Rod I’d guess that since we’ve been in the place there has been a chance for people to actually vote for someone to represent them in the government instead of being oppressed by Islamic bandits like they have been for about a thousand years. There has been infrastructure building going on as well.
Some of the opium production income has been denied to the Muslim bandits for some time now and they want control over all of it not just some of it so that is another reason why they want us gone, and for sure as soon as the West pulls out the government that is there now won’t last long then it will be back to Islamic oppression once more, restrictions on females getting an education and freedom of movement etc. all the good stuff you like so much.
Rod says
Well greg, after 40 years of armed occupation and conflict in the Afghans’ lands, something has been achieved, and the armed invaders can go home. But not yet, apparently. How much longer?
How many Afghans have been killed? We won’t be told – top secret. Because of course, Muslims kill westerners, don’t they, not the other way about.
gravenimage says
Of course “Rod” sneers at statistics–as he does at all reasoned argument.
Now that it has been established that the murderer was almost certainly Muslim. “Rod” moves the goalposts, screaming that there might be crimes committed in Infidel-majority nations by non-Muslims.
And I have never told “Rod” to shut up–instead, I have just countered his claptrap. But he has to lie about it, because he’s got nothing else.
And note that he still* does not say that he has any problem with the murder of this poor Jewish woman. But then, why would he?
gravenimage says
Again, “Rod” seems to think that anyone ousting the bloody Taliban is rightly put in danger.
Then, his pretending that I support our remaining in Afghanistan is quite false–I have said many times that we cannot civilize Dar-al-Islam.
Then, “Rod” continues to refer to me as “Pinocchio”, despite not being able to point to anything I have said that is untrue. Like so many Muslim apologists, he believes that name calling is a substitute for reasoned argument.
GOLDMANN says
Shut up !!! ? Ignoramus . because their hiding it halfwit.
mortimer says
Lazy, research-free ‘Rod’ is trying to be facetious and clever, but he is only smug. The AXE-ATTACK in VETLANDA came from an AFGHAN MIGRANT … over 99% of Afghans are Muslims.
THE SWEDES DID THEIR BEST TO COVER UP THAT THE ATTACKER WAS MUSLIM !!!
– “Press Identify Suspected Terrorist Axe Attacker as Afghan Migrant, Three in ‘Life-Threatening’ Condition” – Breitbart
– MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The man accused of stabbing people in the Swedish municipality of Vetlanda is of Afghan origin, media reported on Thursday
– According to the Swedish Aftonbladet newspaper, the Afghan-born 22-year-old man arrived in Sweden in 2018 and has since lived in Vetlanda.
Swedish police are currently studying whether the stabbing attack had terrorist motives. The attacker is now being monitored by law enforcement authorities, as the crimes he committed were minor.
GOLDMANN says
Mortimer ?? your another one great with grammar . Makes me illiterate almost .?
mortimer says
I’m sure you have your talents, Goldmann. One is your charming modesty. Your message and your courage to uphold freedom are the important things. We all fight in our own way against the madness of Mohammedanism.
James Lincoln says
Rod,
FACTS:
1. The axe assailant is from Afghanistan.
2. Muslims make up 99.6% of the population of Afghanistan.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/muslim-population-by-country
3. The assailant screamed “Allahu Akbar!” during the attack.
Using a factual evidence-based logic, what are the chances that the assailant was a muslim?
john smith says
Rod,
I’m completely baffled as to why you come here, I really am. Are you antifa, are you a muslim, or do you just enjoy arguing, what the hell is your motive.?
You are either stupid, or just a courageous fool, because on this page alone you have taken on several intellectual giants that you don’t have a chance of defeating.
mortimer says
You see? Not all Muslims are INSANE when they conduct jihad against the kufaar! Some of them are STONED. That’s alright then, because, after all …
“ISLAM IS NOT TO BLAME, YOUR HONOR … the DRUGS made me do it!”
gravenimage says
France: Yes, He Murdered a Jewish Woman While Screaming ‘Allahu Akbar,’ But You See, He Was Stoned
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Just grotesque, of course.
And if if *were* true that Muslims murdered Jewish people when they smoked a bit of marijuana, surely this would be another reason to keep them out of the civilized world?
mortimer says
The “Hashisheen” of the 11th century have returned. Allah fubar … whatever.
Orville P Phisnarus says
I believe marijuana does not get you high, it actually makes one ‘mellow’ and not agressive. So, i find this murderer and his defence weak on facts.
gravenimage says
I admit I used to smoke marijuana at parties when I was in college. It made me kind of sleepy and gave me the munchies. Did it make me want to murder Jewish people? Not so much…
mortimer says
Reply to GI: and yet our motto is proved by your confession : ‘It’s the IDEOLOGY, stupid.’
It isn’t the drug that made him do it.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Mortimer.
gregbeetham says
I want to know if this murdering lowlife was actually tested for drugs at the time and what is in the toxicology report, if there is one.
Is the court just accepting the word of the murdering lowlife that he was affected by drugs and how is that a defence anyway? whose decision was it to take drugs? taking an intoxicating substance prior to committing murder is no defence in most jurisdictions.
GOLDMANN says
So ! all these weeks l was led to believe this lady was about 80-90years old , and she was only in her 60″s!!? I need answers.
gregbeetham says
Robert didn’t say elderly and frail, he just said elderly, but like I said previously she would have no chance at 66 against a 27 year old male, none. (unless she had a gun)
GOLDMANN says
Hiya Greg l will read it again .? ??
gregbeetham says
Hi GOLDMANN ?, where are you from?
GOLDMANN says
Mr Beetham, l am from UK???????? ?
gregbeetham says
Ah, I’m pleased, Mum was born in Durham and the family came to Oz when she was 5.
Kagman says
Suicidal fools….They’re overrun and refuse to deal with reality. I don’t know who’s more pathetic, the Swedes or the French…
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GOLDMANN says
Both l think