How can the West continue its policies of appeasement and surrender when the Israelis keep trying to defend themselves?
“German Foreign Minister Rebuked After Saying Sabotage of Iranian Nuclear Facility ‘Not a Positive Contribution,’” Algemeiner, April 12, 2021:
The foreign minister of Germany was criticized on Monday after he expressed disapproval of the sabotaging over the weekend of Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility, which has been widely attributed to Israel.
The details of the Natanz incident remain unclear, but reports indicate that it involved a systemic power failure caused by a massive cyber-attack, resulting in serious damage to the facility. There were no casualties in the incident.
The Iranian regime blamed Israel for the attack, which it called “nuclear terrorism,” and said it would take revenge.
On Monday, the Associated Press reported that German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said the Natanz incident was “not a positive contribution” to the diplomatic process underway in Vienna, where the US and Iran are holding indirect talks on a possible return to the 2015 nuclear deal from which former president Donald Trump withdrew in 2018….
According to Axios, a senior White House official said, “We have seen reports of an incident at the Natanz enrichment facility in Iran. The United States had no involvement, and we have nothing to add to speculation about the causes.”
somehistory says
He should say that he was remarking on what he had to contribute. Should have said, “nothing positive from me,” and then he would have been correct.
His expression says everything that’s going on in what is in the place of a brain inside his skull.
mortimer says
One act of sabotage will not stop the bomb program. Germany and all its allies should demand a regime change in Iran.
gravenimage says
Israel’s raid on Iraq’s nuke program in 1981 did the trick, Mortimer. Iran is further along–but this still can only help.
And I *wish* that Germany would ask for regime change in Iran–but they have actually appeased Iran more than pretty much any other Wetern nation, so sadly I would not hold my breath here.
Chrissie01 says
we are asking for a regime change in Germany, in addition…
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
The Begin doctrine is the common term for the Israeli government’s preventive strike, regarding their potential enemies’ capability to possess weapons of mass destruction (WMD), particularly nuclear weapons.
The Begin doctrine was enunciated by Israeli Prime Minister Begin following Israel’s attack on Iraq’s nuclear reactor during Operation Opera.
The doctrine states “On no account shall we permit an enemy to develop weapons of mass destruction against the people of Israel. We shall defend the citizens of Israel in good time and with all the means at our disposal.”
But you knew that already…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begin_Doctrine
john smith says
Thanks for this information James.
gravenimage says
Thank you, James.
And Chrissie, I *hope* Germans vote out Merkel in the next election.I do know that a majority of Germans did vote against Merkel–but sadly the opposition vote was splintered.
jule says
because Germany helped them build it with much equipment and expertise. Germany has a few corporations inside iran.They definitely have not faced the insanity of the religion which would actually use it to attack other countries but not to worry, After the judgment day, all the muslims will come back to earth to rule for Allah. They Believe it as much as Evangelical Christians but Muslims are 100 times more fanatic and living in the past with superstitions, mths.old warlord culture and Control by fear and punishment. If Germany or Russia had any stories of the (Iran) old name Aryan and thought there was a kinship, they should remember that it it was conquered by Islam. Aryans are gone. These were the same Aryan written about in Vedic papers as they passed through India down. All the Beauty, strength, scientific progress all was lost from the oppressive conquest of the sword and brutal Sharia.. Such talent wasted. So much knowledge & wisdom strangled out of existence. And now it happens in France,Canada, all MidEast, once beautiful Indonesia and Malaysia. These are fanatic Supremacists.. They cannot be logically, rationally talked with. Imagine trying to talk rationality with Hitler & his closest henchmen! Fanatical Supremacists
Alfredo says
Correct assessment and historical knowledge. Wherever “the religion of peace” invades, a great darkness descends upon that land. Culture and the arts disappear. Intolerance increases exponentially and the inhumane Sharia reigns supreme.
Because the ideology itself is retrograde. Iran would use nuclear technology to blackmail the West once again to extract more concessions and cold hard cash.
That, they view as “the spoils of war” rightfully their due from dhimmies paying “jiziah willfully while feeling subdued.”
Qur’an 9:29
The ignorance, stupidity and shameful surrender of the West in dealing with a fascist and supremacist regime is the real reason the Sabras took self defensive action against Teheran.
“The Zionist Entity” as the fanatical ayatollahs call Israel, will not sit iddly by in the face of an existential threat possed by Iran.
Especially now that a delegation the useful fools sent by President Doofus is in Vienna negotiating the terms of the apeacement payments this misguided new administration is willing to make.
Often a Nuisance says
I believe you are correct in what you say here. The West need to learn, preferably prior to being the losers in a war that they don’t even know in which they participate.
Tina says
Nazis will be Nazis!
Infidel says
Germany has its own Neville Chamberlains now. Hard to determine what is worse – a Germany led by Hitler or a Germany led by a Chamberlain
Chrissie01 says
yeah right, slave owners will be slave owners…
Criminals will be criminals…as far as I know, the United States started as a prison colony…
would that be you line of argumentation?
jule says
No USA did not start as a prison colony like Australia did. Rather than go to prison some did make it to us and countries were happy to cut the criminal populations. But mostly Church communities came and people so fed up with kings and heirarchies of royalty and land owners. One set of My ancestors escaped the potato famine. Another group the Basque mountain life.to come to Bakersfield to raise sheep. Another being a part of the fringes of royalty….a great grandfather who had his own pony as a kid with a pet monkey who went everywhere with him until in his 20s he came to Ohio with a brother to grow corn and then on to Bakersfield for oil Another was born to a Mormon pioneer group into Utah and then to a farm on the border of idaho and Montana. None of them were criminals.
Wellington says
Chrissie01: None of the first twelve colonies (all founded in the 17th century) in what became the USA began as prison colonies. Georgia, the last of the 13 colonies to be founded, was established by James Oglethorpe as a place of rehabilitation for British prisoners, as a kind of humanitarian effort, though the main reason Georgia was founded in 1732 was to serve as a buffer between Spanish Florida and the Carolinas. Of course, black slavery and the institution of indentured servitude existed in the colonies but these were both far different from the colonies being founded as prison colonies.
Chrissie01 says
well, you all see how you react to generalizations. Why then not be a little more careful when doing so to others?
Wellington says
Chrissie01: I did not mean to criticize you, only explain matters.
As for the “little more careful” element you mentioned, do you mind giving any examples? Generalizations, you know, without examples, are worthless. Start with me. Where have I not been a “little more careful” when “doing so to others?”
Your turn if you care. Give it a shot.
Chrissie01 says
allow me to remark: You explanation is a bit of a justification. Slavery wasn’t that bad…you say…so different from prison colonies.
This is a bit like: Well, the concentration camp in Hessental was far different from the one in Auschwitz. In one, they only had forced labor, in the other they killed people.
Slavery is when you own and sell humans, right? It is always a severe crime.
Your comment – like mine – is posted under a remark saying Nazis will be Nazis. That refers directly to me, being German. It is an impertinence.
And it insinuates heritage. Generational accusations, however, are not included in my understanding of the world. That is exactly the point. How could I accuse you of slavery? You never owned one. Law and judgement should be individual, not tribal.
My advice thus is to be a little more careful about claiming the moral highgrounds so easily.
Did you forget the Japanese concentration camps in the US? I assume they were more humane, too…,than the German ones.
Wellington says
Chrissie01: Nowhere did I say slavery wasn’t that bad. In no way did I justify it as you allege. I only pointed out that the American colonies were not founded as prisoner colonies. You set up a straw dog and then knocked it down.
I think slavery was awful, though I would point out that it was Western Civilization that first came to the conclusion that it was and took many measures to end it, including the fighting of a brutal civil war here in America.
As for Japanese-Americans during WWII, they were put in detention camps, not concentration camps. Huge difference. Yes, such detention camps absolutely were wrong but it is the height of ignorance to equate these detention camps with concentration camps. Also, Canada set up detention camps for Japanese-Canadians and treated them far more harshly than they were treated in America, for instance making men work on road gangs. You can find evidence for this in The Oxford Companion to World War II.
You infer wrongly and and equate egregiously. I suggest you “clean up your act.” And read my April 17th 10:52 P.M. post response to your April 17th, 4:35 A.M. post below. Again you jumped to conclusions all the while engaging in superficial accusations.
gravenimage says
Chrissie, you *are* mistaken over the United States having begun as a prison colony.
And Wellington has *never* defended slavery, nor has he made light of it–in fact, he regularly condemns slavery here.
And as misguided and unjust as the Japanese internment camps were, they *were* different from Nazi death camps.
And Wellington is *himself* of German heritage–he is not castigating Germans here.
And your idea that saying anything critical about the Nazis is anti-German is also mistaken–few of us here conflate the two.
Fred Alan Medforth says
German Foreign Ministry backs renaming of streets commemorating those victims of Nazi persecution in favour of criminal Georg Floyd
InternAA” is a magazine by “staff members for staff members” of the German Foreign Office. Every month it has a different thematic focus. In the October 2020 issue, the theme was “Showing your colours”. Starting on page 7, there is a three-page text about the initiative “Diplomats of Colour”, written by its founder Tiaji Sio, a young female diplomat who, as a “black person”, is committed to fighting racism. Tiaji Sio is currently serving in Hanoi. Her text was illustrated by the German Foreign Office. On the bottom left of page 8, Foreign Minister Maas can be seen between the author and another DoC activist. And above the text is a photo of a road sign in Berlin that has been pasted over.Bernhard Weiss Street became George Floyd Street. The campaign was part of the worldwide protests against “white” state violence. The terms “police” and “white” were apparently enough to awaken in ignorant “anti-racists” the desire to erase the name of the militant Jewish democrat persecuted by the Nazis.Department 102 in the Foreign Office in Berlin adopts the picture without comment, thus showing all diplomatic representatives of Germany how the memory of a Jew persecuted under the Nazis is desecrated today in the name of anti-racism at Werderscher Markt (seat of the Foreign Minister, editor’s note).
Like many other German Jews, all the sons of the Weiß family served in the First World War. Bernhard was promoted from platoon leader of a medical company to first lieutenant to cavalry captain and earned the Iron Cross, 1st class. A breathtaking military career for a Jew in the imperial era. This was also noticed in Berlin. In the summer of 1918, the Prussian Minister of the Interior Bill Drews asked the Bavarians to release Weiß and appointed him deputy head of the criminal police in crisis-ridden Berlin. Weiß became head of the criminal investigation department as early as 1925 and police vice-president in 1927. This made him the highest-ranking Jew in the field of German law enforcement. He was a member of the German Democratic Party (DDP) and a tireless defender of the endangered democratic republic against right-wing and left-wing extremists. In doing so, he always stood faithful to his Jewish identity, while many other Jews had themselves baptised in order to be able to work their way up in the civil service.His unswerving loyalty to the democratically legitimised constitutional state brought Weiß into direct conflict with the leader of the emerging National Socialists in Berlin. For Joseph Goebbels, Weiß was the perfect object of hatred – a liberal Jew who, after a career in the army as a highly decorated front-line fighter, had also attained a position of civilian power. Goebbels’ inflammatory newspaper “Der Angriff” launched an unprecedented campaign to delegitimise the popular deputy police chief in Berlin. He portrayed Weiß as a big-nosed ape, donkey and snake and always referred to him as “Isidor” Weiß in order to hammer into his readers heads that as a Jew, Weiß had no rights in Germany.In 1932, after Papen’s “Prussian strike”, Weiß, like the entire government of Prussia, loses his office and is forced to resign in writing that he renounces any further activity in the civil service. Two months after Hitler’s seizure of power in 1933, Hermann Göhring puts a manhunt out for the Jew Weiß. A high bounty is placed on his head. Nazi henchmen storm his flat. Germany’s former most famous policeman has to go into hiding and flee. Together with Alfred Kerr, Kurt Tucholsky, Ernst Toller, Heinrich Mann and many others, Bernhard Weiß is on Hitler’s first expatriation list on 25 August 1933. Via Czechoslovakia he comes to London, where he sets up a small business. It was not until 1949 that Weiß visited his old homeland again. His most fervent wish in life, he says, is to return to Berlin. The Social Democratic mayor Ernst Reuter then offers him a position with an advisory function in the police service. But Weiß is already too ill to take up this post. On July 29, 1951, Dr. Bernhard Weiß, a Prussian Jew, died of cancer in a hospital in London. After his death, his widow Lotte returned to Berlin. Today, the courageous democrat is considered one of the founding fathers of modern German law enforcement.
https://medforthblog.wordpress.com/2021/02/06/german-foreign-ministry-backs-renaming-of-streets-commemorating-those-victims-of-nazi-persecution-in-favour-of-criminal-georg-floyd/
gravenimage says
Grim stuff, Fred.
Wellington says
Germans talking about positive contributions to mankind should be extra circumspect when doing so.
Chrissie01 says
that is slander, Sir.
The list of German contributions from which YOU personally profit, is quite long.
Wellington says
Well, Chrissiw01, as William Shirer, in his monumental The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich, noted, Germans like Bach, Schiller, Beethoven and Goethe have indeed contributed a great deal to mankind, but Shirer also noted that there is a very dark strain that runs through German history as well—very dark and full of anti-Semitism, rank authoritarianism, bogus racial theories, etc., and as evidenced by Fichte, Hegel, Wagner, Treitschke and Nietzsche, never mind the legacy of the Third Reich itself.
Goethe himself said that the Germans make trouble for themselves and for everyone else as well. Goethe also stated, and I quote, “I have often felt a bitter sorrow at the thought of the German people, which is so estimable in the individual and so wretched in the generality.” So, Chrissie01, take it up with the legacy of Goethe if you will, not just with me. And you might also want to consider what Winston Churchill said of the Germans, to wit, the damn trouble with them is that they’re either at your throat or at your feet. Or are you more knowledgeable about the Germans than Goethe and Churchill were?
I personally have never denied German contributions to society, though you wrongly assumed I am ignorant of such contributions, including ones that I myself have profited by (e.g., listening to Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony, which is my single favorite musical composition I have ever heard), but there is also something very disturbing about the Germans as many have opined (btw, I am half-German myself ancestrally speaking). Thus, I wrote no libel (for your information, slander is spoken, not written, defamation—best to distinguish between the two). I merely indicated that Germans speaking about positive contributions, especially when, as evidenced by the subject of this article, actually denigrating sabotaging Iran’s nuclear capacities, are once again demonstrating that their collective idea of what constitutes positive contributions to humanity is askew yet once more and on display for all to see—or did you miss this? Seems you did.
Eva says
Very, very true.
Dapto says
Then he goes on to say that the Germans will lobby the Americans to give Iran a nuclear bomb, just to correct this situation.
Jim says
It seems that Germany is trying to compensate for the persecution of the Jews, gypsies and many other groups by being extra compassionate toward the migrants. But that is not a good idea, because some of them are as bad as the Nazis, and it is hard to know which ones are the future terrorists, criminals, sexual predators and preachers of fascist social and political practices. Only if they were really like the Jews will it make sense to indulge in sympathy for these migrants, many of whom are fifth columns. In Germany the officials cleave to their laws, but the political leaders bias the system to favor the worst sorts of people coming into the country. As long as that continues, Germany will be increasingly threatened and be a threat to their neighbors in doing so.
gravenimage says
Germany’s foreign ministry top dog: Sabotage of Iranian nuclear facility ‘not a positive contribution’
……………
Seems pretty positive to me!
Heiko Maas has condemned Israel for trying to survive before:
“Germany’s Maas heads to Israel to lobby against West Bank annexation”
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-maas-heads-to-israel-to-lobby-against-west-bank-annexation/a-53755541
He also said–utterly insanely–this:
“Charlie Hebdo attack ‘an attack on Islam’: German justice minister”
https://www.dw.com/en/charlie-hebdo-attack-an-attack-on-islam-german-justice-minister/a-18177082
As though Muslims did not murder the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists in the name of Islam.
He is a moron or worse.
gregbeetham says
They touched on that same inverted logic on SkyNews here last night when they were discussing the so called Palestinian humbug and hypocrisy, the experts concluded that people defend their preconceived notions even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are off on some other planet because they can’t process the likelihood that their entire world view to date has been wrong, in effect the propaganda they had swallowed over a long period had cemented a particular view and that must be upheld because to do otherwise they would have to admit they had been deceived by their trusted sources which would make them vulnerable and alone against the perceived tide of opinion, which is inconceivable to a spineless weasel whose main focus is self preservation.
And so the only course of action for such people is to use inverted logic, black is white, up is down, evil is good, lies are truth etc. and that works until the day the chickens come home to roost.
jule says
It becomes a severe identity crisis, a collapse of old beliefs someone was so sure were solid.
Its kind of impossible. If you grow up with Jesus, I guarantee you will not continue with any betrayal but always come back to it when old and dying.this is why it is so hard for so many Muslims, especially if they live to surrounded in it and never see there are other religions. Also apostates are killed or jailed, controlled completely by fear and terror from the warlords and Imam. & brutal public punishment..if not for that, there would be no islam.
James Lincoln says
gregbeetham,
Discovering the truth, after you have been lied to for many years, can cause severe cognitive dissonance.
A genuine truth seeker will admit that they had been wrong and will change their thought processes and behavior so that they are in cognitive balance.
The problem is, truth seekers are in short supply…
Chrissie01 says
Heiko Maas is a corrupt little man whose nose is brown from sticking it into M.s XXX
He is a traitor of the people and responsible for a censorship law that criminalized and deletes all criticism against forced mass migration. He is one of lackeys that sneak into office with falseness and lies and then drop the mask. He is also like a tick. Once sucked onto its victim, its doesn’t let go.
Everything he ever did was against the German people..in favor of Islam.
I think you have one like these in the presidential office.
gravenimage says
Agreed.
jewdog says
If our NATO ally, Germany, thinks that using force to prevent an Iranian nuke is bad, then Germany should not be in NATO. NATO is supposed to provide a defensive umbrella for the West, including the US, but that means that its members should meet certain fundamental requirements related to their willingness to defend against dangerous adversaries. Germany’s longstanding ties to Iran, perhaps the most dangerous adversary of them all, should raise eyebrows.
Infidel says
Have we withdrawn all our troops from Germany, or has our demented leader delayed that as well? While trying to prepare for a war w/ Russia
somehistory says
he is increasing the number of troops sent to Germany.
James Lincoln says
Yes, somehistory,
Phony Harris/Biden are actually adding 500 troops to Germany.
Pres. Trump wanted to cut the number by 12,000 and redeploy them to other countries in Europe – and also send some back to the United States.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-europe-lloyd-austin-berlin-germany-201df3ddf8a2b17336c4df2cbf88ef1d
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/22/europe/europe-us-troop-movement-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html
Infidel says
So which of Germany’s neighbors threatens it? Poland? Czech Republic? Austria? Switzerland? France? Belgium? Luxembourg? Netherlands? Denmark?
If the threat was Russia, then US troops in Poland would make more sense. Besides, as Tucker Carlson noted, we seem to be willing to go to war w/ Russia over Ukraine, but putting aside the sense behind such moves, wouldn’t it be more logical to put troops in Ukraine?
In truth, our troops in Germany is nothing more than a jobs program for Ramstein, Germany. We could use such bases back here all over the country
James Lincoln says
Infidel says,
“In truth, our troops in Germany is nothing more than a jobs program for Ramstein, Germany.”
That is a true statement.
In theory, the troops are supposed to counteract a military threat from Russia. This is while work continues on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline – designed to convey natural gas directly from Russia to Germany in the Baltic Sea…
nicholas tesdorf says
Fortunately the Israelis and Mossad will take absolutely no notice of the insane comments pouring out of Europe, US and UK and will continue to defend civilisation from the effects of Islam.
medaber_emet says
The Nazi son of a bitch does look much like aichman
dont worry the blody germens has ordered their own extinction
once they let all those muslims in they are doomed
Chrissie01 says
a little racist hatred and generalization here?
What have the German people of today ever have done to you?
These are the same generalizations that are poured over Israel. Wouldn’t you agree?
We have corrupt politicians like you do. Maas is one of the worst.
Think of that.
jule says
The leadership of every country is not the people but mostly people are sheep and just follow whatever without thinking. This is a huge problem in every country. However it is fact that Germany sold equipment and expertise to iran to build its underground Nucs and hac Corporations inside working alongside. France and Norway/Finland also ignored sanctions set up long ago. Leaders of all countries want money and power. The way Germany has been running under Merkel with EU has had my mistrust for many years. Many years. It seems to be doing what what Hitler wanted without just persecuting jews but controlling countries and using Muslims (again)
jule says
Hitler had training schools for Muslim soldiers in Germany. Muslims allied with Germany for the common hate/persecution of Jews for the Supremacy of islam and Supremacy of german Iraq even had built up an airforce thanks to Germany to use in 1948 against israel. Beside the Qur’an, most Muslim households have a copy of Mein Kampf.
Chrissie01 says
I know that. But what does that have to do with the present German population. Maybe yo sweep in front of your own door, like the genocide of that first nations and slavery for 400 years?
We have a famous writer, Goethe, who said: if everyone sweeps in front of their own doors, all doorways will be clean.
Chrissie01 says
or in other words: He who is without guilt throw the first stone….
Tomás Walsh says
Israel is correct. It would be the height of madness for Israel to wait for a pre-emptive strike by Iran. By then the game would be all over not only for Israel but for many neighbouring countries. Even Sunni Islam is on record as saying that they cannot live with a nuclear Iran. If Iran succeeds in getting a Nuclear bomb they are going to use it.
This appeasement and cowardice by the Germans and other European governments can only be explained by this overwhelming existential tiredness now driving Europe to extinction – so well related by Douglas Murray in his book, ‘The Strange Death of Europe’.
Truly, each strike by Israel at nuclear facilities in Iran does a great service for the people of Europe.
Tomas Walsh says
Israel is correct. It would be the height of madness for Israel to wait for a pre-emptive strike by Iran. By then the game would be all over not only for Israel but for many neighbouring countries. Even Sunni Islam is on record as saying that they cannot live with a nuclear Iran. If Iran succeeds in getting a Nuclear bomb they are going to use it.
This appeasement and cowardice by the Germans and other European governments can only be explained by this overwhelming existential tiredness now driving Europe to extinction – so well related by Douglas Murray in his book, ‘The Strange Death of Europe’.
Truly, each strike by Israel at nuclear facilities in Iran does a great service for the people of Europe.