Biden and his handlers have been trying to make the issue about whether or not we should withdraw from Afghanistan, but that is not the real point of contention. The reason why people are upset with the puppet today is because of the disastrous way the withdrawal was mishandled. When Jesse Ferguson, a Democratic consultant, says “No one likes where this ended up, but it’s hard to see Republicans winning elections on a campaign promise to go back to war in Afghanistan in 2022 or 2024,” he is hoping you’ll forget that Trump was going to withdraw the troops also. But Trump would likely have gathered our personnel and material, secured the area, and gotten it all out first, with the troops securing the area going last — that is, an orderly, careful, safe and non-chaotic withdrawal, such that Biden claims now would have been impossible.
“Biden bets war-weary America will reward him for leaving Afghanistan,” by Sahil Kapur, NBC, August 19, 2021:
WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden is standing firmly by his decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Afghanistan, despite chaotic scenes of the Taliban rapidly seizing control and the U.S. rushing to airlift diplomats out of the country.
Behind his confidence is a political bet that a war-weary U.S. public will stick with him and enable him to weather a firestorm of criticism, not just from his Republican opposition but also from Democratic allies who promise to investigate failures surrounding the withdrawal.
Public support for the withdrawal has fallen from earlier this year, but pluralities still want U.S. forces out, according to two new surveys….
The criticism has been heaviest over the execution of the withdrawal, including the failure to evacuate U.S. personnel and partners in time for the rapid Taliban takeover. Republican lawmakers, and some Democrats, have compared it to the fall of Saigon, South Vietnam, in 1975….
“No one likes where this ended up, but it’s hard to see Republicans winning elections on a campaign promise to go back to war in Afghanistan in 2022 or 2024,” said Jesse Ferguson, a Democratic consultant who has worked for the party’s House campaign arm and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential bid….
Chris Hartline, a spokesman for the Senate GOP campaign arm, said of the politics of the withdrawal: “It’s hard to tell how it’ll play in the long run.”
But he said the situation paints Biden as a “weak leader” who operates with a “nonchalance” on issues like the border, inflation and now Afghanistan. Taken together, he said, Biden appears “weak, disengaged or just plain lost.”…
But to Biden’s allies, the decision to pull out and absorb the short-term pain was a mark of leadership that his three predecessors who oversaw the war lacked the courage to practice. In a speech Monday, Biden said that Americans shouldn’t be asked to step up when Afghanistan’s own armed forces wouldn’t and that he won’t “pass this responsibility on to a fifth president.”
He defended his decision in an ABC News interview published Wednesday.
“The idea that somehow there’s a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, I don’t know how that happens,” Biden said. “I had a simple choice. If I said, ‘We’re going to stay,’ then we’d better be prepared to put a whole lot, hell of a lot more troops in.”…
Shirley Ann says
The DEMS want MORE VOTERS, anyway they can get them. The Sly Evil Afghanis seem To be able to get to the US, to join their Former bunk mates & that sounds a bit Traitorous to me.
Americans should have been the only concern of the Biden Administration, FIRST,then the Vetting of these So-Called Interpreters could follow.
Again, I have to wonder about Muslims, who say their lives are in danger, but will NOT GO TO THE THE NEAREST MUSLIM COUNTRY, WHERE THE TALIBAN ARE NOT IN CHARGE. They are holding out for the BENEFIT BIDEN LAND.
ConstantineXI says
This comment by Biden is so stupid that it is almost beyond belief.
Wellington says
Biden is a disaster. He always was a mediocrity, a professional politician who accomplished nothing of merit during his almost half century of being in the government, but now he and his handlers are ruining so much, including America I fear.
Damn those who actually voted for this man (not counting all the fraudulent votes here). I mean it.
Infidel says
That’s all well and good, but the fact remains that once that was complete, the Taliban would sooner or later have seized power in the country, and the stories we’re seeing now of girls being banned from school and being sought out as sex slaves for the Taliban would still have occured
I want all foreign non-muslims out of Afghanistan ASAP. That said, a part of me does blame them for agreeing to go there in the first place (not counting our troops). If I were a contractor of any kind who wanted to work on projects outside the US, I’d instantly strike muslim countries and China off my list
Wellington says
Well, Infidel, if you had been President instead of Trump how would you have handled Afghanistan inheriting it as Trump did?
Infidel says
I’d have done things in this order:
1. End all government funding for projects in Afghanistan
2. Recall all US civilians home
3. Have talks w/ the Taliban on transfer of power to them (saves the embarrassment of our installed regime getting overthrown), and try to get something from them for the favor (be it a safety guarantee for everyone who worked w/ us, if they didn’t want us to destroy everything we had built while leaving)
4. Tell the world that this is what we are doing, and other countries can either recognize the Taliban, or recall their embassies
5. Formally hand over power to Afghanistan
6. Bring all troops home, with all military hardware. Since I’m directly handing things over to the Taliban, won’t bother about leaving training materials or equipment w/ any Afghan police or military
Only difference from Trump in my model: I wouldn’t have bombed the Bagram air base if the Taliban behaved during the handover. Otoh, had they not, it would have been buh bye Bagram!
gravenimage says
Most Afghans–99% of them–want Shari’ah law. The Taliban was always poised to take over any time we left. The Afghans certainly weren’t going to do much to stop them.
Infidel says
Very much so. Which is why criticism of Biden on this particular issue is overblown
gravenimage says
I’m glad we have left, Infidel. But am I glad that we exposed Americans to bombings and actually *left Amereicans behind*, as Biden has done? Not so much…
CogitoErgoSum says
I see Biden being awakened from his sleep in the captain’s quarters on the Titanic and being told that the ship has just struck an iceberg. He says, “Oh well, no one could have foreseen that happening. Tell the crew to abandon ship.”
When he finds out there are not enough lifeboats for the passengers he says, “Oh well. We can pluck those who can swim from the water later … if they survive the cold and the sharks and there’s room for them. Now get in the boats, men.”
Such courage and quick thinking inspires future ship captains.
CogitoErgoSum says
Oh, I forgot the part where Captain Biden tells his crew to make sure that if there are not enough life jackets to at least be sure to put on their masks to keep them from passing germs to one another while cramped together in the life boats.
James Lincoln says
C.E.S.,
Sleepy Joe would also fire up the string quartet.
Nothing like a little bit of chamber music to die by…
Rarely says
Have to give Biden his due. He has set a new bar for ineptitude and, at the same time, setting a new bar for
creating laughter out of ineptitude. Ripley can enter these records in indelible ink.
Since anyone with Alzheimer’s would have done a better job JB sought to prove he doesn’t have it. His recent comments belie that.
The test for whether Trump (or my hair stylist for that matter) would have done a better job is: Is he breathing?
’nuff said.
Walter Sieruk says
That despicable , destructive fiend Joe Biden just threw away and totally destroyed nearly twenty years of progress accomplished by the blood sweat and tears and even the deaths of many Americans as well as those blood, sweat and tears of America’s allies.
Also Biden threw away more than trillion of the American taxpayers money that was invested in for the betterment and development of Afghanistan.
This tragic scenario didn’t actually have to had happen in Afghanistan because the generals of the Pentagon who are strategic military advisers to the President strongly counseled Biden not to have a sharp, sudden withdraw from Afghanistan but instead have and start a gradual drawback of the US armed forces after September 11, 2021.
The problem was that the arrogant conceited and stupid Joe Biden refused to heed or listen to the wise council of the intellects of the Pentagon. Therefore is this complete catastrophe with the Taliban total takeover of Afghanistan.
In the ancient but wisdom filled book by Sun Tzu entitled THE ART OF WAR, it is written “He will win who has the military capability and is not interfered with the sovereign.”
That awful incompetent and probably even treasonous villain, Joe Biden, ruined everything.
Walter Sieruk says
Joe Biden so totally quickly destroyed all the progress that was achieved in almost twenty years in Afghanistan is so terrible severe that it’s now completely irreversible .
As Abraham Lincoln had said “You can’t unscramble eggs.”
gravenimage says
Sadly, all of those Americans died for nothing. Afghanistan never could have been civilized.
Infidel says
But that blame falls on Bush and Obama. Not Trump and Biden. In fact, one thing I praise Biden for is not reversing Trump on this and deciding to have another surge in Afghanistan: given how he has reversed Trump on so many other things, I was partly expecting him to do that as well!
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
True enough, but the *method* that Biden used will prove to be catastrophic…
gravenimage says
Agree, James.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Tragic beyond tragic.
And the morbidity from. particularly, IEDs – causing loss of limbs, TBI, PTSD is lifelong.
I’ve treated many of them…
gravenimage says
Thank you, James. Yes–horrible.
Walter Sieruk says
In the history of the United States of America , this nation had forty-five are listed. The last of that list genuine Presidents of the USA is Donald Trump.
By contrast that terrible fiendish villain, who is now sitting in the Oval Office of the White House is a president pretender. In other words Joe Biden is a pseudo president.
Likewise, this is the first time in the history of the America has no real, genuine, American President.
Instead this country has only a criminally installed figurehead
James Lincoln says
True, Walter.
But there are lots and lots of things going on behind the scenes in order to pull down the 2020 US Presidential Election.
Massive:
1. Organic fraud.
And
2. Cyber fraud.
gravenimage says
Biden: Afghanistan chaos was inevitable with withdrawal, only alternative was to stay
……………..
Ridiculous. I am no general, but even things like evacuating civilians first and using Bagram Airforce Base instead of the Kabul Airport–less defensible and supposedly protected by the Afghan Army–would have made more sense.
James Lincoln says
+1
gravenimage says
Thanks, James.
Aussie Infidel says
Why would Afghanistan’s own armed forces continue to fight for a western backed regime that is intent on imposing liberal ideologies on them? They are Muslims, and have had no history or experience of democracy. Their country has been an Islamic theocracy for over a thousand years, where they have lived under the tight control of Islam and its iniquitous Sharia. And the people who control the country – the ones who really matter – the imams and mullahs – are all religious fanatics and sociopaths determined to retain that control.
As for Biden, he seems unable to understand that with adequate planning and preparation, a much more orderly withdrawal would have been possible. Instead the chaos of the departure will be his enduring legacy. The US authorities will now be left with a problem – they wouldn’t have a clue how many undesirables and wannabe jihadis there were among the flood of ‘young fighting age Afghan men’ who were evacuated, to become a fifth column in their new homeland.
Most people who understand Islam and the Muslim mindset, and the control that Islam has over its adherents, opposed our involvement in Afghanistan – and indeed in any Islamic country – right from the start. The end result was always inevitable – another failure to force democracy on a country whose leaders are averse to ‘man made laws’ instead of the so-called ‘god-given laws’ in its Sharia. Its failure was as predictable as tomorrow’s sunrise.
The West needs to abandon any connection with such regimes other than surveillance and whatever else is deemed essential to our benefit. Their cultures are irredeemable. As General Douglas MacArthur said of enemy held islands during WWII in the Pacific, “They should be left to wither on the vine”.
James Lincoln says
Aussie Infidel,
Now, if only “resident” Biden had read and understood your post a couple of months ago…
OLD GUY says
Goes to show that intelligence doesn’t have anything todo with common sense. It doesn’t take many smarts to understand that islam and western society are totally opposed to each other. One will have to destroy the other, they won’t coexist.
tgusa says
Throughout his 50 plus year career in DC Biden has always been not very bright. Not very bright is a kind way of describing him. However, he wouldn’t have had such a long career except for so called Americans that continued voting for him. Think about that.