But they couldn’t deport him, and then he was freed from prison and able to embark upon his jihad. The laws involved need to be changed, but any attempt to do so is likely to be stymied by charges of “Islamophobia.”
“New Zealand knife attacker ‘brainwashed’ by radical neighbours, mother says,” Agence France-Presse, September 5, 2021:
…Sri Lankan Muslim legislator Mujibur Rahman said his community was saddened by the attack, while lauding New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern for easing public sentiment.
“Her statement soon after the incident defused the situation and ensured there was no harm to the Sri Lankan community [in New Zealand],” Rahman said.
Ardern insisted no one community should be singled out for the violence.
“It was carried out by an individual, not a faith, not a culture, not an ethnicity,” Ardern said.
She also confirmed the New Zealand government had been seeking for years to deport Samsudeen. He came to New Zealand in 2011 on a student visa and made a claim for refugee status, Ardern said.
It was declined, but overturned on appeal and he was granted refugee status in December 2013.
He came to the attention of the police and security services in 2016 after he expressed sympathy on Facebook for militant attacks, violent war-related videos and comments advocating violent extremism.
It was subsequently discovered that his refugee status was fraudulently obtained and the government moved to cancel his visa and issued deportation notices. He appealed his deportation and authorities explored whether he could be detained pending his appeal.
“It was incredibly disappointing and frustrating when legal advice came back to say this wasn’t an option,” Ardern said.
Peace says
The politicians have all got onto the media stating “they going to change those laws” , so it will be interesting to see what they come up with .. and is going to be closely followed
Especially with the way the Taliban are behaving, I believe this will change the way the world sees Islam which is a good thing and about time. The media can’t polish over it forever,
Fitna says
Indeed Peace, let’s not forget that the knee-jerk reaction of the Lefty media is to label Muslims mentally-ill whenever they pull off a terrorist attack, whether it involves stabbings, car-ramming, bombings, etc. and to quickly sweep it under the rug.
Here’s a clear example that couldn’t easily be ignored but I have no doubt they tried to hide it as best as they could.
Will the laws change? I guess I really can’t blame Arden entirely as nations are constrained by their laws-so it is reasonable to assuming legally they were not able to deport him though all the signs were there that eventually he’d harm a lot of people.
Which goes back to your point, will the laws finally reflect Islamic realities or will they just pull our leg but go back to treating Muslims with kid gloves until the next attack, where they make excuses and on and on the vicious merry-go-round will continue.
They have a similar problem in most European nations where thousands of fake refugees, migrants, Islamic fascists were slated to be deported but they fell off the grid and now they can’t find them. Ofc they turn up later after they kill scores of people.
Given Arden’s continual pandering to the Muslim community I doubt much will change. Morons like her have shown they choose ‘diversity’ over the safety of their own citizens. I always look at an ‘ideal world’ scenario just to see how far our present state is from there.
For instance if western nations were nearly perfect democracies, the media would expose every Muslim incident without any bias. They’d go in-depth into the ideology that motivates their behavior because that’s their job-to educate the population.
Then our politicians would rapidly single out Muslims for observation and deportation. Once it became clear it’s not just one or two lone wolf attacks but a consistent pattern then they’d expel the invaders or declare war on Islam and act accordingly.
Instead we live in a world we the media/politicians hide the truth from the public and aggressively demonize those who expose it, while making excuses for Islam when they have no reason to. So that’s the ugly state we’re in now.
Ideally our best hope is to get Conservative/right wing govt’s in power-particularly Christian based as they understand Islam the best and generally have the right solutions. It’s also well known during times of war, Right wing govt’s tend to be stronger. The Left can’t be trusted to save us when it comes to Islam-in fact many of them have taken the Muslims’ side.
gregbeetham says
The legislation problem they have is how to define Muslim attacks without implicating Islam which is sending the lefties into a mental fud.
As far as I know they are trying to divide Islam into two groups, one being Islamists and the other being Islamic, but how they allocate who belongs to which one could be a problem, maybe they’ll slot them into a group after they’ve already done something heinous the numbskulls didn’t see coming.
The whole idea is stupid beyond belief when Jihad is the same in every sect; there is only Islamic Jihad and all Muslims subscribe to it and it alone and the differences between how they behave is based on situational expediency as the individual Muslim sees fit for the time being.
Fitna says
Indeed Greg, I think they’re going through the same learning curve the rest of us already went through.
After 9/11 when I began to educate myself in Islam, I also thought there could be ‘moderates’ and ‘radicals’ but the more I learned, the more I realized Islam is very much like Nazism, in that it is largely a political fascist mvmt and their goal is to overthrow western govts and replace them with Islamic ones.
This is the problem most in the West are grappling with…they see the individual attacks but don’t see the connection to the religion and Islam as an ideology-so we keep waiting for them to figure it out.
gravenimage says
Same here, Fitna.
Egor says
You make a number of great points but I am not altogether sure the Christian base is the way to go as many in the Christian faith welcome these people with open arms – including the Pope. The other problem was zero population growth and fertility rates in the West. When fertility rates drop below 1.8 things are not too good in the countries where it is happening economically. When it gets below 1.2 the culture is lost. Private enterprise depends on population growth to increase demand – especially in the housing industry.(otherwise the price of property goes down with a lesser demand) bring in the Muslims. Yes they know they are not going to fit in. Yes there will be jihad attacks but all that is just collateral damage. All these politicians will be dead before the shit really hits the fan. They are only concerned with instant gratification and the surety that capitalism, in its present form, continues. As with pyramid selling, one can see that capitalism will run its course as needs exponential population growth to ensure it continues. It cannot go on forever. So get used to the Muslims. .
gravenimage says
Egor, you are right that there are Christians–and Jews, and Hindus–who are clueless about the threat of Islam, as well as some savvy Atheists and Agnostics, as well as the opposite.
Fitna says
Thanks Igor certainly there are Christians like the Pope and many others who want to “save” Muslims, they see them as a new flock to convert. But I believe most Christians, esp. in America understand that Islam is an enemy ideology and know that we are at war with them.
Likewise as a group Liberals are general in support of Islam largely because they’re ignorant and haven’t’ studied it. Certainly there are a minority of Leftists who realize Islam is a danger to the West.
What we really need is for all of us to unite together under the banner of opposing Islam, whatever our religion, culture or race and demand that politicians ban this ideology and deport Muslims. It’ll get ugly but it’s still far better than doing nothing while Muslims are growing their strength and numbers and will push to take power.
As for the economy we can sustain a smaller population but it needs to be a steady rate. If we’ve forced to import immigrants then we should make sure they come from non-Islamic nations.
gregbeetham says
There are undoubtedly Christians who think that Muslims can be converted but they probably don’t know the degree of mental conditioning that has been inflicted on Muslims continually since birth, many are far more indoctrinated into Islam than the average Christian is in Christianity, but admittedly there are exceptions and dropouts just the same, even Iran is supposed to be an Islamic minority country now.
Unfortunately deporting Muslims who have citizenship presents many problems for a democracy that has a proclaimed ‘freedom of religion’ built into the constitution.
The only way I can see to accomplish such a thing would be to get Islam declared a dangerous subversive cult based on the evidence, and not a religion, but even getting that done will most likely be an impossible quagmire.
In the end then, having the West saved by the Conservatives means we have to also save the stupid Left despite their opposition to us doing it which makes me think twice and to let natural selection run its course…which it will, in its own sweet time.
It is beginning to look like as usual we have to learn the same lessons again that we already learnt before, proving that the human race taken as a whole is irredeemably stupid.
Ray Fowler says
could all be solved with one piece of lead, fully encased in a full metal jacket. which he so thoroughly deserves.
gregbeetham says
Yes, cost dependant on calibre of choice. Funnily enough I just loaded some 300gr FMJ round nose for my 375H&H just for fun and couldn’t help thinking how many Muslims one of those could pass completely through one after the other in a line, I think at least 20, great minds think alike eh?
Seriously though, there is a solution to the Muslim problem, see China for details.
gravenimage says
Ray, police *did* shoot this Jihadist. I was glad to see it.
gravenimage says
I hope so, Peace.
tim gallagher says
In Australia, probably fairly similar to the process in New Zealand, our government has often wanted to deport criminals and fake refugees, etc, and this body called the Administrative Appeals Tribunal often seems to overturn or reject the government’s wish to deport people. It sounds as if this happened with this maggot in New Zealand. It is annoying how the members of the Appeals Tribunal seem to prevent the government from kicking out scum who should not be allowed to continue poisoning the country. The Appeals Tribunal in Australia seems to be made up of the wrong kind of people, piss weak lefties or some such thing. I looked up how the members get appointed in Australia and it seems the Governor General appoints the Tribunal members. I know that ministers in the government, who are seeking to get rid of some of these criminals and similar people, get annoyed at the way the Tribunal prevents them doing so, as do many average Australians..
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Tim.
tim gallagher says
I imagine that you probably have some kind of appeals tribunal in the USA, gravenimage, which also stops the government from getting rid of people that should be kicked out. Everywhere seems to be cursed with these types of bodies.
gravenimage says
Sometimes these tribunals are a good thing, Tim (and yes, as you imagined, we have them here too), focusing on a case where someone really does need asylum.
But a plotter of Jihad terror? *No way*. This is suicidal insanity, and almost resulted in the deaths of numerous people, if the police hadn’t been right there.
Mikecom says
you all know sometimes laws are beyond belief
Eleanor says
“Auckland terror attack: Ahamed Samsudeen, the man behind Isis-inspired stabbings.” — one NZ headline.
Now I could be wrong, but I always thought the word “inspire” and it’s derivatives, had more positive connotations rather than negative, so using this word in relation to Isis has me hot under the collar. There are plenty of other far more appropriate words that could be used in this instance. How about “motivated”? or would that be too truthful?
gravenimage says
Eleanor, “Inspire” is the term the Jihadists themselves are using here–it is the title of their repulsive magazine.
Eleanor says
Thank you GI – I had absolutely no knowledge of this magazine. I have just done some research on it. I just thought it was an odd word to use. The question is, did the media use this word deliberately, or are they as ignorant as I am? It would be interesting to know. Thanks again, I always learn something new from our posters and this site.
gravenimage says
Eleanor, the sad thing is that there is another Inspire Magazine that is much older and is perfectly innocent, and has stories about things like breast cancer survivors getting makeovers, recipes for turkey chili, people starting craft businesses on Etsy, and fun ideas for girls’ night out. I’m sure these poor people are getting some *very* disturbing email these days.
gravenimage says
New Zealand tried for years to deport Muslim migrant who stabbed six, his refugee status was fraudulently obtained
…………….
Utter madness. And then the New Zealand courts decided that plotting violent Jihad is not a crime, so he was released.
Only good thing is that the police took this threat seriously, and kept him under strict surveillance. As soon as he turned violent, they took him out–literally less than a minute after he began stabbing victims.
sidney penny says
New Zealand Parliament (its laws) state that plotting violent Jihad is not a crime, so the courts( the judge) had no option.
Now the NZ Parliament is going to make a law to say hat plotting violent Jihad is a crime, a terror crime
gravenimage says
Not sure I’d count on that, Sidney.
gravenimage says
Sidney, you are right:
“New Zealand moves to criminalize terrorist attack planning after mall stabbing”
https://news.yahoo.com/zealand-moves-criminalize-terrorist-attack-032627101.html
*Very* happy to be wrong here. Thank you.
mortimer says
Radical=from the root, going to the origin, essential, thoroughgoing, original, inherent, primal, underlying, foundational, uncompromising, entire
“The radical Islamism that has been loosed in Syria and Iraq (ISIS) is not a deviation or a perversion of an alleged true Islam, whose orientation is purely spiritual and religious. In fact, it is the most traditional form of Islam.” – Fr. Henri Boulad SJ.
Jacinda Ardern is an uninformed, naïve Pollyanna if she cannot learn that Islamism and Islam are two parts of the same ideology.
51% of Islam is political ‘Islamism’; 18% of Islam is about Allah; the rest of it is the personality cult of Mohammed.
The political goal of Islam is to subjugate all non-Muslims (including New Zealand) under discriminatory Sharia law through the means of deceit and terrorism. Muslims will rarely admit openly that they want to subjugate free countries under discriminatory Sharia and they will rarely admit openly that they approve of terrorism.
Hank says
“It was carried out by an individual, not a faith, not a culture, not an ethnicity,” Ardern said.
It was carried out by an individual, based on a culture that is based on a faith that is based on Islam that is based on an Arab from the 6th century.
Ardern, you need to take evening classes with Robert Spencer on Islamic Doctrine 101 and Quran 101. If you are terribly busy you could probably do it online (Similar to taking an MBA. There will be exams so study hard)
gregbeetham says
She’s a lefty and you mentioned ‘study’ and ‘exams’ I take it you realize the level of stress that could be involved with that? 🙂
Alfredo says
With people like Jacinda Ardern looking after the security of Kiwis, not only will she neglect to take any action to introduce real teeth into the immigration legislation bestowing authorities the power to deport undesirables BEFORE they commit crimes. NOT after! What good is it for the victims of this crook after
they were stabbed that the police shot the criminal “within 60 seconds” after he went on the rampage?
She will along with the rest of the willfully blind woke idiots accuse anyone of “islamophobia” who dares to point out the obvious. Contrary to the lies that the Muslim Brotherhood injects into the minds of these misguided fools, that “Islam is the religion of peace” but the ideology itself as clearly stated in their Bible, the Qur’an, that commands them to wage jihad against all “unbelievers” until there is no more FITNA.
Giacomo Latta says
“It was incredibly disappointing and frustrating when legal advice came back to say this wasn’t an option,”
It wasn’t an option because since 2013 no one, including Ardern, was so moved by the laws that permit foreigners deemed unfit for the country cannot be returned to sender. Lack of will? Just slipped her mind? Ardern can take a bow for all the taxpayers’ money wasted in maintaining, I suppose, a 24/7 surveillance by at least six police agents.
rooare says
The same bleating crap about he being an ‘individual’ aka ‘lone wolf’. Well all these ‘lone wolves’ are from the same rabid Islamic pack. And as far as religious freedom goes, Islam is an entire political system with a religious aspect and it’s adherents believe their divinely commanded to subjugate the entire world under the brutal sharia be all means available. They will not assimilate to a host nation, indeed they cannot for that’s considered apostacy punishable by death and then to be cast into hell in the afterlife. As such Islamists should be quarantined to their own nations.