Will this gesture of good will be reciprocated?
Probably not. Non-Muslims paying for the upkeep of Muslims is a Qur’anic dictate:
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).
The caliph Umar said the jizya payments from the dhimmis were the source of the Muslims’ livelihood:
“Narrated Juwairiya bin Qudama at-Tamimi: We said to `Umar bin Al-Khattab, ‘O Chief of the believers! Advise us.’ He said, ‘I advise you to fulfill Allah’s Convention (made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the Dhimmis.)’” (Bukhari 4.53.388)
“Hindus to pay fines for 11 temple attackers,” Express Tribune, November 22, 2021:
The Hindu community has decided to pay the fines imposed on 11 religious leaders involved in the Karak temple attack in December 2020 from All Pakistan Hindu Council’s fund as a ‘goodwill gesture’ to increase interfaith harmony between the Hindu and Muslim community in Karak district of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P).
The Supreme Court of Pakistan had ordered the recovery of Rs30.30 million reconstruction charges of the temple from the accused nominated in the FIR despite the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) government objections after it was discovered that the local clerics, who were involved in the attack, were creating hurdles in the rebuilding of the temple too.
The temple is being rebuilt by the government but a local cleric and a local resident objected to the expansion of the temple and ‘directed’ the contractor to construct a boundary wall in front of the verandah just to enrage the Hindu community.
“The Hindu Council decided to pay the fine of Jamait Ulemai-e-Islam Fazal (JUI-F) district Amir Maulana Mir Zaqeem, former district nazim Karak Rehmat Salam Khattak, Maulana Sharifullah and eight other leaders and Rs268,000 per person have already been paid,” said a local resident.
“There are a total of 123 accused nominated in the FIR by police many of whom were nominated with the help of video footage of the attack,” he said.
The district administration has already sent notices to these 123 people to pay their share of the fine on October 26. A list of the properties of these people has also been prepared as it has been decided to confiscate their moveable and immovable properties if they fail to pay the amount.
Talking to The Express Tribune a local Hindu leader said that their community was completely helpless as despite the government involvement, the Deputy Commissioner (DC) refused to help them in the expansion of the temple during the reconstruction phase due to the fear of the local clerics so they didn’t want to further enrage these clerics and decided to pay their share of fine from the Hindu Council’s fund.
“The DC refused even to take action against a local cleric who said that the word ‘Hindu Temple’ will not be inscribed on the front of the building,” he said.
“The amount has already been paid but now all the 123 accused are demanding that their fine should also be paid by the Hindu community which is not possible,” he said.
Police and district administration on Friday once again asked the accused to pay the amount within 14 days otherwise strict action will be taken against them.
They have been asked to submit affidavits with local police stations that they would pay the amount.
After the payment of the amount by the Hindu community a diwali function was held on November 8 in the newly constructed temple in Karak in which Chief Justice Supreme Court of Pakistan also participated….
Roshan says
100 years back 99% of Hindus of Afghan-Pak KPK/NWFP were kicked out and sent to Lahore. Rest 1% is begging for survival now..All the efforts from interfaith harmony should come from Infidels.
raja says
Roshan,
Good post. It is also the hard reality. India has a stupid policy: all religions are equal. Instead the world should be focusing on respecting fellow humans. If a person practices voodoo or any tribal ritual it should still be tolerated because you respect that person.
Unfortunately, the world is yet to set the priorities right.
Infidel says
An update on this story notes that the Hindu community is now being pressurized to pay up for all the 123 accused
https://www.opindia.com/2021/11/hindu-council-pakistan-pressurized-by-accused-karak-temple-attack-pay-fines/
Since this is Pakistan, I’m assuming that this is not a voluntary goodwill gesture, as interpreted above, but something done out of fear. Nothing like, say, servile acts of appeasement next door in India, where muslims were allowed to pray on the streets for a while, blocking traffic until Hindus retaliated and forced the authorities to force them out, and then ensured that they don’t get to hijack public parks either
And 2 countries down, in Bangladesh, Hindus skipped celebrating a post Diwali festival unique to Bengal due to the riots a month ago. Essentially, the only option left now for Hindus is to follow the muslim example in these countries, particularly Bangladesh, and form mobs
gravenimage says
Infidel, this is exactly what I suspected.
raja says
Infidel,
Your misgivings is totally justified. This is what islam does across the globe for ages.
The best option for the oppressed would be to leave that impure land (Pakistan means land of pure). Forming mobs won’t be of much use as seen in Malaysia’s case earlier.
I just cannot resist the temptation of appreciating what Myanmar and China have done this rogue and intoxicated populace. Anyhow, I am convinced that the state is very much within its rights to impose capital punishment on any of its criminals (generally proportionate). Mass extradition doesn’t sound bad considering the total lawlessness and mayhem including genocide imposed by the cult . It is the perpetual war that is being imposed on the unsuspecting.
Infidel says
Raja
Burma/Myanmar has done the right thing: kick out all their muslims, and not bother where they go! That’s the right approach to take. If India were smart enough to make life miserable enough for muslims, they’d leave on their own.
China has done things only partly right – by humiliating muslims, converting mosques into toilets and so on. However, one thing they have done that’s ruined it: instead of letting Uyghurs leave peacefully to other muslim countries, as Burma has done, they want to enslave them, and have extradition treaties w/ every muslim country, so that Uyghurs who want to leave China for a place where they can peacefully practice islam don’t have the option of going to countries like Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan, which are culturally almost identical to Xinjiang. Instead, they have to look at migrating to western countries, which don’t have such agreements w/ China. Now one generation of Uyghurs might, just might have gratitude and not wage jihad against their new hosts. But go down a generation or 2, and they’ll be muslims and at some point discover their jihad ‘obligations’, and then anything can happen to ‘their home country’
Of course, China is down & out pure evil, but on their muslim policy, if Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan – both of which have territory that Beijing claims for itself – refused to extradite anyone to China and just gave Uyghurs shelter, that would be a solution to this issue. On a different note, the Turkic sunni countries east of the Caspian should merge and become Turkistan, and then claim south Xinjiang – Qashqar, Hotan and Yarqent – as a part of their territory
somehistory says
This sounds like extortion….the mozlum scum showed the Hindus what they were capable and willing to do…got the money…and now it will be a regular thing.
Just like criminal gangs beat up store-owners, break windows, set fires, etc. and then the gang leader comes around and promises “protection” from the gang…his…if the owners pay money every week.
mozlums are a criminal gang. In this country, U.S.,, there is the RICO statute which could and should be used; pakis are nowhere near treating these crimes as they should be.
mozlums just don’t want to behave as normal people and just get along as neighbors should.
Evil, demonic, satanic.
Politicallyincorrectistruth says
You regularly brush all Muslims as being evil, satanic and “not behaving as normal people” and part of a criminal gang…and it’s just delusional nonsense. Not all Muslims want to become Islamist terrorists or even act-out the violent parts of Islam…. in the same way that (i assume), you don’t go and kill people who work on the sabbath, or kill all unmarried pregnant women(genesis38:24), or assist in gang rapes of young women(genesis 19), or kill all who curse their parents(Leviticus 20:10), or kill all infants of non-Christians(2 Samuel 12:14).
Islam is like a pox on humanity, but in spite of that the majority of Muslims just want to get on with life, work, family…just like the majority of Christians.
somehistory says
Then they aren’t “truly” mozlum. If they don’t want to spread islam and force all of mankind to bow to their ‘god’ and ‘prophet,’ then they aren’t really mozlum….and are not the people that I’m writing about.
If they don’t lie to support the terrorists, if they don’t have the hatred for the rest of us that is demonstrated in those ones that burn temples, burn churches, burn synagogues, rape little kids, perform sadistic cutting on little girl babies, lie and whine and accuse, then they are not the ones I’m writing about and they know who they are.
No one else knows who they are.
I have met many mozlums….worked with some, for some, and witnessed a bunch of them in different situations. So far, I haven’t met any that “just want to get on with life, work, family.”
And Christians have never been under the Law, including the Sabbath Law of not working. And, I have never killed, or even attempted to kill, anyone.
raja says
Somehistory,
Truth hurts. He/she needs some balm.
Your reply is excellent and to the point, if he listens other wise he is free to enjoy 72 blah blah in the after life, which is Satan’s big lie.
God bless.
somehistory says
Thank you very much, raja. I appreciate the feedback. I’m always wondering when I’m writing a response to one such as he if I’m saying what I need to say, what is best…
So, thank you.
gravenimage says
Grotesque false moral equivalence from Politicallyincorrectistruth. Jews and Christians are not using violence in the name of their faith; Muslims regularly do this.
And while not all Muslims are violent, *very* few of them condemn violence in the name of Islam. And how could they? There is nothing so Islamic as harming Infidels–the “Prophet” Muhammed himself did this.
I notice that Politicallyincorrectistruth has not a word of criticism over this Muslim attack on a Hindu temple, nor over Hindus being pressured to pay the perps fines. But then, why would he?
raja says
Excellent rebuttal Gravenimage,
Thank you.
john smith says
Agreed Raja, an excellent rebuttal.
abu taleb says
Not all muslims want to become terrorists because it is a lot easier to send somebody else to become terrorist and suicide bombers.
And the majority of muslims want to have easy life and they will use Islam if possible to extort and oppress non muslims so that the muslims don;t have to work hard.
Muslims feel entitled to have higher status in the world because of their religion and force the non muslims to do the hard work simply because they are not muslims. Muslims are supposed to be the ruler of the world, that is what Islam teaches.
rp says
Nope, All Muslims are follower of Islam. You only became Muslim after you accept Islam. Since Mohamed was a terrorist , rapper and slaver. it’s follower are the same. They have to follow ,it is in the book and word of Allah.
James Lincoln says
Politicallyincorrectistruth says,
“Not all Muslims want to become Islamist terrorists or even act-out the violent parts of Islam”
Yes, that is a true statement.
Muslims come in all flavors ranging from “muslim in name only” all the way to very devout. And the more devout, the more dangerous to society.
However…
Even if a given muslim does not personally engage in violent jihad, that muslim still belongs to a group that supports islam – a totalitarian religious/political ideology whose ultimate goal is to impose sharia law throughout the world.
(Perhaps an analogy could be an accountant who knowingly works for an organized crime organization.)
And that given muslim may still engage in “non-kinetic” types of jihad.
raja says
James Lincoln,
Not all Muslims are terrorists, which is very true. As Somehistory had pointed out some time back, they have different roles on the global-objective of Sharia. There are the financers, cheerleaders, lying jihadists, jihad apologists and so on.
Some may not care about islam as it is very “tedious” to investigate the horror-filled cult. I heard of a Muslim from a Christian headmaster, who was very liberal in helping with Christian charities. But they are very rare. A small section of Muslims still send their wards to Christian schools because of quality education. If you were to take a survey of these Muslims they won’t even add up to 10 percent.
Vast majority of Muslims want Sharia across the globe , never mind the blood shed (it is either rocket science or blood sport for them) , injustices like robbery, rape, land grab et al. They would want islam to remain lazy, break laws with impunity, use and abuse infidels, claim jizya or protection money in all forms and claim a glorified status in their mosques and of course a sex-heaven, as promised by Satan.
We cannot afford to let our guard down when dealing with islam.
somehistory says
‘Thank you, raja. Very fine comment (not to mention the reference to little ol’ me.)
somehistory says
James Lincoln,
When RICO is used to shut down a racketeering crime org, all are rounded up…even a bartender who allows his business to be used as a meeting place where crimes are discussed and planned can be arrested.
If islam was declared a racketeering org…which it is, because they extort, engage in human trafficking, drug smuggling, arms smuggling, prostitution of children, etc….how many mozlums would be able to say that they are “innocent” of the crimes committed for islam?
James Lincoln says
raja and somehistory,
Thank you for your very accurate replies.
Best wishes.
john smith says
Agreed with all the above comments
sidney penny says
Mad Hindus?
gravenimage says
Probably more like scared Hindus.
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Hindu community decides to pay fines imposed on 11 Muslim leaders involved in attack on Hindu temple
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This is either Stockholm Syndrome or else the Hindu community is afraid of even more violence from Muslims. The other possibility is pressure from Pakistani authorities, who rarely impose such fines for damaging Infidel property. This may be a way for them to just look as if they are doing something about violence against non-Muslim minorities.
Bikinis not Burkas says
Anyone know what dhimmitude is?
Seems the Hindu’s don’t!