Judge Thomas Kelm explained his lenient sentence by saying: “The victim insulted him before the crime, that is a violation of his honor.”
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.” In Iran, according to the New York Times, the legal system “treats parents who murder their children with relative leniency, as the maximum sentence for the crime is only ten years.”
Why is Kelm adopting Islamic values in Germany, rather than holding Alim K. accountable for violating German values? If this keeps up, what will Germany look like in ten or twenty years?
“Why is my daughter’s killer not a murderer?,” translated from “Warum ist der Killer meiner Tochter kein Mörder?,” by Sebastian Prengel, Bild, November 26, 2021 (thanks to Medforth):
Dortmund – Alim K. (24) ambushed his pregnant ex-girlfriend with the knife.
Then the student stabbed her 76 times, killing Juvy-Ann (22) and their unborn child.
But for Judge Thomas Kelm, this act was not murder, only manslaughter. Yesterday the killer was sentenced to ten years imprisonment by the Dortmund Regional Court (NRW); he can apply for parole after serving two-thirds of the sentence.
The victim’s parents were stunned by the mild sentence. The mother collapsed crying in the courtroom.
The victim’s father, Hans Joachim F., said in tears to BILD: “A bank robber gets the same punishment. And here someone butchers my daughter and may get out of jail before he’s thirty. How can that be?”
The judge’s reasoning: Alim K. had acted in the heat of the moment and was not in control of himself. Heat of passion? As a reminder: Alim K. stabbed a total of 76 times.
Judge Kelm explained: “The victim insulted him before the crime, that is a violation of his honor. Only then did he go berserk and pull out the knife he had brought with him.”
And: “She opposed him, did not put up with everything in the relationship. Finally: “It was also a crime against himself. Because he wanted the child.”
Damn much understanding for a brutal killer.
revereridesagain says
Oh good grief — WHAT “honor”? Since when does a slave of Allah have “honor” that can be “violated” when the ideology he adheres to exhorts him to murder a defenseless woman over an “insult”? Since when has it been possible to “insult” such a male? (There are no Muslim “men”.) What kind of throwback is 10 years for a “heat of passion” murder? Is Germany moving towards reconciling with its old ally Islam, at least in terms of “culture”?
gravenimage says
+1
bill says
Muslims are never in control of themselves they are controlled by so called ‘allah’, after every thing, they say ‘god willing’ so if it happens or not it is ‘god’s’ will not theirs.
Bob C says
The judge needs to get the other 50 years NOT given this heathen
Fitna says
Soon judges will be using Sharia law and will allow them to walk free, the idiot actually used the word ‘honor.’ I guess he meant to say ‘honor-killing.’
Clearly this muslim was an honorific person of high standing, a pillar of society. What a joke.
tim gallagher says
Only 10 years is absolutely unbelievable and far too lenient for any evil piece of crap who stabbed any other person 76 times. That is a staggeringly vicious crime. As for this judge talking about how this evil scumbag’s “honour” being insulted, I am stunned that any judge anywhere, in any civilised non-Muslim country, could say such a thing. This murderous Muslim maggot should have got life in jail and this judge should be out of a job immediately after he came up with such a disgusting decision. Endless people get insulted by other people but don’t react the way this evil scumbag did. Stabbing someone 76 times is up there with the worst crimes ( maybe the most maniacal crimes) I have heard about. A person capable of such evil will always be a danger and needs to stay in jail forever.
somehistory says
“In the heat of the moment”….planned moment because he “brought a knife with him,”
This slime and the slime judge should both be looking at capital punishment.
There is no excuse….the victims were the woman and her baby…for the **judge** saying that this murderer is a victim because he “wanted the child.” Evidently, he didn’t want the baby.
And, what woman ***has**** to agree to everything the male wants out of a “relationship”? Why doesn’t the woman have a *right* to say no; to “oppose” the choices the male makes with which she disagrees?
Hang the judge along with the murderer of two innocents.
Divine Justice will be visited on both of them.
gravenimage says
*Exactly*–how many people walk around with this kind of knife? Of course it was premeditated.
mortimer says
Judge Thomas Kelm erred in law, because the concept of forgiving an honor killing is not in German law. This is a clear case of premeditated murder.
Muslims do not have a SUPERIOR RIGHT in Germany to kill because of their hurt feelings.
Overturn this faulty decision!
gravenimage says
Germany: Judge gives 10-year sentence to Muslim who stabbed woman 76 times; she had ‘insulted him’
Judge Thomas Kelm explained his lenient sentence by saying: “The victim insulted him before the crime, that is a violation of his honor.”
……………….
Grotesque sympathy for the devil.
Someone who stabs a victim 76 times for insulting him *has no honor*.
And if a native German man had done the same would any judge have used his “honor” as an excuse? Obviously not.
mortimer says
Kafirs ‘have no honor’ according to discriminatory law. Judge Kelm is honoring Sharia law which dishonors Germans. Absurd. No, sir, Germans come first in Germany. If not in Germany, then where?
gravenimage says
+1
DavidR says
Either that judge is a menace to society or felt a murder conviction would put his life in danger. Or both. Bravery in battle shouldn’t be on any country’s bar exam.
mortimer says
The judge was showing the Muslims that Germans ‘understand’ honor killings. Nevertheless, a crime committed ‘in the name of honor’ is absolutely unacceptable in civilized countries.
Johnny B says
When you import Islam, surprise: you get Islam AND Sharia!!! It’s not a great mystery. If there’s a mystery in all of this it must be why we allow it to happen? I can tell you, I’m surrounded by people on a daily basis who’ll immediately label you a racist or a Nazi without hesitation if you even imply there is a problem with Islam!!!! I don’t see this turn around for the better any time soon if ever, sorry to say..
john smith says
He armed himself with a knife, ambushed her, then stabbed her 76 times. If that is not premeditated murder then I don’t no what the hell is. How can anyone in their right mind say that was manslaughter. In the first place you don’t take a knife to confront a defenceless woman, secondly if you stab someone once you intend to inflict serious injury, or even kill them. Thirdly if you stab someone 76 times you are definitely intending to kill them. Not only did he take her life, he also took the life of the unborn baby.
He should of got a life sentence for that, but with parole he will out in six and a half years, and you can guarantee he wont get deported as that would go against his human rights.
Terry Gain says
It seems that the more evil the crime of some the more lenient the sentence. 120 months for 76 stabs is less than 2 months per stab. Disgusting. He should be put to death. What does one get for a mere murder in Germany without all of this brutality and bloodshed? The Judge is a disgrace.
E T says
Yes Terry, this reminds me of the 21 year old Muslim in Canada who beat 75 Sarah Anne Widholm so badly she was in a coma for 14 months and finally died. He got 10 years.
Bella says
The judge should be in prison alongside him. Next thing you know he’ll be out running people over with a red s.u.v. Pislam is a mental illness. You can’t cure it, you can only get rid of it.
Walter Sieruk says
That stabbing committed by a man who is a follower of what some people ,still , call a non-violent religion.
gravenimage says
Walter, there is a completely stupid meme that has been making the rounds–recently I saw it for sale on a tshirt:
“Buddha was not a Buddhist. Jesus was not a Christian. Muhammad was not a Muslim. They were teachers who taught Love…Love was their religion”
Bit more complicated than this, but you can make this claim for Buddha and Jesus–but *Muhammad*? Clearly this fool is not paying attention, and has never read the vicious Qur’an and other texts of Islam.
Politicallyincorrectistruth says
What about;
KILL all unmarried pregnant woman (genesis 38:24)
KILL all children of non-Christians (2 samuel 12:14)
KILL all homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13)
KILL all uncircumcised males (Exodus 4:24-25)
KILL all who commit adultery (Leviticus 20:10)
Protect all slave owners from disobedient slaves (1 Peter 2:18)
Where’s the love?
Rufolino says
Yes some terrible verses in he Old Testamrnt. But Jesus brought a different testament, he New one, based on the primacy of love.
The primacy of Love was in everything Jesus said and did.
As for St. Paul, originally a pharisee, his censorious fanaticism keeps reappearing.
John Densler says
This is the old Testiment, not the new Testiment, where Christians are hekd to a higher standard of life!
somehistory says
Christians don’t have to **answer** for anything that was done before Christ came and gave us a “new commandment.”
Anything in the Law given to the Jews applied to the Jews and to any who took up their faith, or who lived in the Land during those ancient years.
Every command to the Christians was given by Jesus Christ and is not found in the Law to the Jews.
But, you keep on beating your drum and don’t learn anything about what Christianity is all about.
john smith says
Perfectly explained Somehistory
somehistory says
Thank you, John Smith.
Walter Sieruk says
Gravenimage, thank you for your reply to my posting. What you had posted in also a reminder of another fool statement that I was on a tee-shirt during the year of 1974.
That idiot statement read “It doesn’t matter what you believe as your sincere.”
In the last century many Germans were sincere when they voted for Hitler. Sincerely believing that he would lead Germany to greatness and glory. The harsh reality was that he lead Germany to disaster and ruin.
In this twenty-first century those 19 Muslim who are jihadists of al Qaeda were ,no doubt, sincere that they were “doing the right thing” of September 11, 2001 ,According to Islam they were “doing the right thing.” Their sincere belief in Islam with it’s violent and deadly jihad only resulted in mass- murder and destruction.
The same thing may also my said about those to Muslims who are also brothers that they were sincere in the Islamic beliefs and actions when they commited that Boston marathon bombings /’murderers and maining.
The list can go on , nevertheless this should be enough to show that it really does matter what a person believes in.
Keys says
This judge’s ruling insults me as a violation of traditional Western justice !
Since I’ve been insulted by Your Horror, do I get to stab him 76 times for a 10 year sentence ? I’ve been insulted !
No, OK. How about a duel ?
PMK says
This is a precedent that doesn’t just relate to Islam and ‘honor’ killings. Here we are focusing on Islam but political correctness and so much more have really degraded the value of human life. I watched ‘cop’ shows in the early 2000’s where the victim’s family was told: at least he’ll get eight years for murdering your daughter. We want to focus on sharia law and how our leaders are giving in to it, but the same mndset has permeated society.
One question I have always wondered about: how is elective abortion legal but someone who is not the mother can be charged with ‘fetal homicide’? Charge the perpetrator with assault, but not with ‘fetal homicide’. Either the unborn baby is protected by law or it isn’t.
Eleanor says
Young native European women (read: white) need to be educated and warned about getting into a relationship with young muslim men. Very often, these relationships do not end well, as we see in this article. Most young women really do not have any idea of what they are getting into, and most parents also do not know much about Islam, and if they do, some would be too afraid to speak up for fear of being labelled “islamophobic”. I can see this happening more and more frequently sadly, and unfortunately, this pathetic sentencing may have set a precedent.
Frank Anderson says
I am now over 70 and will almost certainly never sit on another jury. The single time I was called, I was still in law school, fortunately during a break in classes. It was a genuinely tragic case. Unlike this one, there was no lifelong brainwashing of the worthlessness of women, or the encouragement to beat and kill “loved ones” who offend. My case involved two widowed people who argued, and one died. We could not convict him of murder. We did convict him of manslaughter and recommended a 10-year sentence. His lawyer did a masterful job of defense, admitting in his opening that his client understood he was guilty of something, but he and the state could not agree on what.
Here muslim teaching and practice for 1400 years is on full display. Uncounted women have been beaten, mutilated and murdered in that time in a common practice widely accepted in the muslim world. Permitting that practice to invade civilized societies is treason.
Major Tom says
Tax payer funded room and board is no substitute for the death penalty!
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Expect more of these honor killings in Germany going forward. This traitorous bastard of a judge must hate women, especially German women. This decision will go down in history as the time and place that Sharia Law became firmly established and openly practiced in Germany. Another reason for women in the West to avoid marrying and breeding with these death cult followers. Danka Frau Merkel.
OLD GUY says
Manslaughter you mean womenslaughter which is approved of under Islamic law of honor killing of women by men. Where oh Where is the Women’s rights movement when these terrible murders of women and girls takes place. Silent?
Frank Anderson says
BVC, if there is any “good news” that is part of this story (and I welcome correction if I am in error) Germany is under Civil/Roman/French based law instead of UK based Common Law. That means there is very little or no reliance of earlier cases (Stare Decisis) when deciding future cases. If this were a decision in a US court, and it was appealed and upheld, it could be binding authority in many other courts, potentially in every court subject to US law. Under Civil Law, each case is much more on its own.
Frank Anderson says
PICT, your quotes are absolutely correct. Having spent over 20 years as a guest and visitor in the Jewish community, I ask you to understand the Judaism of 3700 years ago is NOT the Judaism of today. Unlike islam, Judaism changes. Some parts slower than others. Even more to the point, some of the really gross “instructions” have never been followed.
My favorite example is from the King James translation, which in error reads in Deut, 23:2, A bastard shall not be a member of the congregation; nor shall his children to the tenth generation. Being an honest-to-goodness, no fault of mine, bastard, this hit home. BUT a Rabbi who is a treasured friend in spite of his blindness toward islam, explained:
1. The translation is in error: The word is MAMSER, a child resulting from adultery or incest between 2 Jews, not the ordinary common bastard child born “without the benefit of clergy”. In 1950, about 25 percent of all births where I was born ended in closed adoptions. It was by an incredible miracle that I was able to find my birth mother on a 39 year old trail and help her be released from a life of near slavery.
2. The passage contradicts the rule stated in Deut. 24:16, which says a child shall not be held for the sins of the father, nor shall the father be held for the sins of the child. Remember, exclusion from the congregation or community is “civil death”.
3. At NO TIME in 3700 years of Judaism as ANY child been excluded for the circumstance of birth, in the Bible or elsewhere in history.
There has not been any sacrificial altar anywhere in the world of Judaism since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD/CE. But people visiting Jewish congregations still look for such sacrificial altars today.
The Judaism of the Bible, including the NEW Testament is not correctly representative of Judaism as it is today. Please spend some time to find out. Whatever else Jesus was, he was also an observant Jew.