The stinging irony here is that no one sees Muslims as a racial group except jihad enablers and apologists, who claim foes of jihad mass murder and Sharia oppression of women are just “racist.” They do their best to obscure the obvious facts that Islam is not a race and that jihadis, like all Muslims, can be found among people of all races.
“The Troubling Consequences of Seeing Muslims as a Racial Group,” by Sanya Mansoor, Time Magazine, December 13, 2021 (thanks to S.):
How can a country supposedly founded on principles of religious freedom be so quick to support policies that violate the civil rights of Muslims? That’s one of the questions at the heart of a new book, The Racial Muslim: When Racism Quashes Religious Freedom, by Rutgers law professor Sahar Aziz.
The Racial Muslim proposes an answer: that some American politicians and institutions have perpetuated a narrative that Islam is not a religion, and thus doesn’t deserve such protections. In this view, Islam is instead a political ideology, and Muslims—in reality worshippers from diverse racial backgrounds—are viewed as a racial group, subject to racist discrimination. This phenomenon is different from religious bigotry, which tends to focus on theological arguments about why a particular set of beliefs is wrong, the book argues; here, Aziz sees a situation in which Muslims as a group are assigned a set of negative traits, such as the false notions that they are inherently untrustworthy, uncivilized and violent….
Jim says
Opposing jihadi terrorism is self-defense. Everyone has a right to protection from jihadis. Racism would be hating people who are not trying to hurt one because of their biology. But they commit terror because they decide to. How can opposing the decision of jihadis to harm one be racist?
Wellington says
Islam is indeed a political ideology. It is also a religion, and a very nefarious one at that (N.B., no other major religion is nefarious). It is, additionally, the only major faith which is a totalitarian ideology. As well, it is the one major religion which is clearly an enemy of liberty. It also is stupid, tedious, destructive and desultory, in short a huge “downer” such as no other major faith remotely is. Islam does not lift up the human spirit, it depresses it and one knows this or should know it—one of many reasons why I despise this religion (there are a heap more).
This is just for starters about Islam, for my money easily the worst religion of all time. It’s my “beginning point” about Islam and I have come across no information for decades now that would dissuade me from thinking otherwise. The fact that I would be killed in an Islamic nation for publicly stating what I just have only confirms all the more all I have written above.
Message to ALL adult Muslims and dhimmi supporters of Islam: You make me sick. You represent much of the detritus of the human race. You are in no way a benefit to mankind.
Infidel says
Like I noted yesterday, islam is a religion only in the very same way that communism is a religion. Both have their texts (quran/hadith/tafseer/sira in one case, Das Kapital/Kommunist Manifesto/Mao’s Red Book in the other), their deities (allah/Mohammed in the first case, ‘the State’ and the communist party head honcho in the latter) and all laws flow from those
Only difference – as Ali Sina once noted, islam also qualifies as a cult
https://www.faithfreedom.org/islam-cult-or-religion
Problem w/ recognizing islam as a religion is that the idea that a religion can be evil is a view held more by secular-progressives in this country, as well as militant atheists, rather than civil followers of other faiths. That’s why it’s hard to ding something like islam as long as it has the protected status of a religion under the First Amendment. That’s why it’s more important to disabuse people of the idea that it’s a religion if one wants to make further headway against it
Wellington says
Speaking as the lawyer I am, Infidel, I don’t see how Islam can be denied First Amendment protection status as a religion. After all, nowhere is it written (certainly not in the First Amendment per se and why a silly religious belief system like Satanism is also a protected religion per the First Amendment) that a religion can’t be evil.
As a “follow-up” point, and again I am averring what I do not first and foremost as the patriotic American that I am or as the former history teacher at the college level which I was, but rather as the lawyer that I still am, to wit, if only Islam had no more of a following than does the idiocy which is Satanism, who the eff would care? But you see and verily, here is the rub, to wit, the actual extent of foolishness and idiocy and blindness and other negatives is not at all addressed by the First Amendment—or by the Constitution and Bill of Rights in general.
Put another way, sometimes size does indeed matter. In this case with the enormity which is the monstrosity which is Islam across the world and which religion will use virtually every means to destroy freedom by way of using freedom, including the First Amendment, to do so. The useful idiots like BoJo, Biden, Trudeau, Pope Francis, et al. simply fail to realize all of this.
As long as Islam is not characterized as evil, it still gets a free pass. The “key” to dealing with Islam is to allow it to exist in America, just as Marxism and Neo-Nazism have a right to exist in America, but all the while making certain it is properly characterized as malevolent. Not there yet.
The First Amendment can withstand Islam as long as Islam is accurately described. To date this has not happened and herein “lies the rub.”
somehistory says
islam fits the long held definition of the word “religion.”
There is *worship* involved. Worship of evil is still worship.
The Apostle Paul wrote that some have “their god is their belly.”
9″Philippians 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is …
https://biblehub.com/philippians/3-19.htm
Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. New Living Translation They are headed for destruction. )”
The thing that could possibly make a difference, is if many of the things that mozlums do were outlawed….and the LE went after them as they should.
Such as the nasty piece in MI who was butchering and mutilating little girls. She was arrested and charged, but the idiot judge threw the case out.
mozlums call for violence against others; they preach hate and they lie to the police.
Lying to the police is a crime. Calling for violence against others is a crime. And certainly raping children….with body parts or with metal instruments…is a crime.
If mozlums were arrested, charged and tried, there might be a lot of cases that would bring this evil to light.
i.elmi, fraudulently call i omar, has committed crimes for which she should be in prison….lying to Congress, fraud in immigration, and other things. But, she remains free to do more and more damage.
the members of c.a. i. rats were on their way to prison, but “bo” put an end to that. They should be arrested, charged and tried….and every time the ypull a hoax with the ugly scarf supposedly being taken….they should be arrested for lying to the police.
gravenimage says
Of course, protection of a religion does *not* include protection of things that violate our civilized laws, like imposing Shari’ah law or waging violent Jihad.
Infidel says
Graven
That concept is yet to be tested in court. I’ll be fascinated to see how left leaning judges throughout the country rule on such things: we’ve already seen in Michigan how a judge treated an FGM case. That’s the direct result of according to islam all the protections of a religion: those are the sort of things they’ll get away w/. Just wait until the first cases involving Afghan child brides hit our courts, and see if the ‘husbands’ in those cases get hit w/ pedophilia
gravenimage says
Infidel, these thugs are violating our laws. Raping and mutilating children is Islam, not civilized Western law.
PRCS says
“As long as Islam is not characterized as evil, it still gets a free pass. The “key” to dealing with Islam is to allow it to exist in America, just as Marxism and Neo-Nazism have a right to exist in America, but all the while making certain it is properly characterized as malevolent. Not there yet.”
A few synonyms:
malicious · spiteful · hostile · evil-minded · baleful · bitter · evil-intentioned · poisonous · venomous · evil · malign · malignant · rancorous · vicious · vindictive · revengeful · vengeful · pernicious · cruel · fierce · nasty · unfriendly · unkind · ill-natured · malefic · maleficent
And my favorite, considering the “veil’s” primary purpose: supremacist.
Qur’an 33:59 (https://quran.com/33)
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments.1 That is more suitable that they will be known</b 2 and not be abused.
— Saheeh International
Footnote 2
As chaste believing women
Goutam says
If religion is all about spiritual awareness and connecting with the supreme creator, then Islam does not qualify as a religion. It has nothing to do with God, it never had.
Islam is a war doctrine and it has been always as such. Period.
Infidel says
Well, one of the meanings of religion is ‘belief-system’, but like I pointed out, that’s also true about ideologies like Communism and Nazism. Islam is more like a cross b/w Communism and Branch Davidian: it’s a geopolitical cult. Only reason it passes as a religion is that it was invented in the 9th century by the caliphs of Baghdad in co-ordination w/ ‘scholars’ in Buqhara (I’m assuming the RS findings here)
Wellington says
The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America has nothing to say about “spiritual awareness” or “connecting with a supreme creator.” Your “If” has no relevance per the First Amendment, to put it mildly. This was my point here, among related points, to Infidel.
Remember, the law seeks to be as specific as it can be. It also is not into too many “ifs.” Almost none, actually. And this is why a heinous belief system like Islam can take advantage of the First Amendment, just as Satanism can, though once again, and as I have already noted, size matters.
gravenimage says
True, Wellington.
Infidel says
Yeah, but they’re not seen as a racial/ethnic group as a result! They are seen that way b’cos of what’s in their texts. Untrustworthy – qur’an 3:28, violent 47:4 and tons of other verses, uncivilized – entire chapter on women
Speaking of racial groups, there is a pecking order in islam among racial groups. Top are Arabs, although the Turks are trying to get there. Then are the Turks, followed by the Iranic and then Indic muslims, and then all the black muslims in Africa and white ones in Europe and the Americas
gravenimage says
After Muslims claim opposing jihad violence is racism, Muslim prof warns against ‘seeing Muslims as a racial group’
…………………
This from Sanya Mansoor may sound good, but she herself has been whinging about how the real victims of 9/11 were Muslims:
“Growing up Muslim after 9/11, living with suspicion and fear”
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/faith/2016/09/09/growing-up-muslim-after-9-11-living-with-suspicion-and-fear/
This article condemns anyone who cites 9/11 as a cause for concern–and refers to “Abu Jahl” (“father of ignorance”) who opposed the “Prophet” Muhammed. He was soon killed by Muslims. Do the readers of the Dallas Moring News find this reference disturbing? Clearly these embioldened Muslims either think that Infidels are too ignorant to understand the reference, or so cowed that they won’t say anything.
somehistory says
mozlums are the main ones that call *racist* when they hear someone telling the Truth about them and their filth of islam.
It’s even in the bill that i. elmi and the others have passed in the House. It’s a tool, a deliberate lie, used to gain victim status with more of the population.
They jump on any occasion…such as the riots in Ferguson, MO.,…to pretend that they too face “racism” and discrimination due to *race.*
This woman is just another fool for satan.
PRCS says
Democracy and theocracy. Two systems of governance. Each is antithetical to and incompatible with the other.
The U.S. is governed as a representative democracy.
Islam–a totalitarian theocracy–(yes, a religion)–governs in accordance with so-called divine law.
No matter the religion, “divine” law has no place in governing the United States of America.
Michael says
Muslims are patently not a racial group. Compare Bosnians, Saudis, Hausa Nigerians, Malays.
The fiercest and longest serving enemies of jihadis are moderate Muslims, the Berbers of Algeria.
gravenimage says
Not all that many “moderate” Muslims–after all, there is no “Islam light”.
David Foot says
Here in England the law against discrimination for races includes and was extended to different religious groups, if you like as a “race”, because of the problems of Northern Ireland.
We can then argue that the religious violence and intolerance of Islam is “fabricating” little Northern Ireland segregated groups breeding violence, unlike any other group in migration, for which, if we identify them with “race” it is just a name as any other for that type of “group”, Islam isn’t only a cult either or a political party, it is both, and the laws of that political “group” are actually illegal in many Western societies (House of Lords 2008, EU Council 2016 and 2018) what is more certain races prevail in that cult as well, and according to their scripture one in particular has pre-eminence (Arab).
The other constituent of Islam: political indoctrination is politics to create a state within a state with a law which is illegal in most of the “invaded/ parasited” states (which like a virus they aim to take over) and this indoctrination goes deep inside, influencing for some even how the Moslem is expected to look and to behave so that brings us even closer to a race to such a point that taking in to consideration the indoctrination of their minds which can be so deep that it “perverts the mind for ever” and in many extreme cases those minds are impossible to “de-radicalize” with dreadful consequences for any other community around.
This puts them even beyond the concept of a race which could afford some freedom to diverge and is not as dangerous either. Effectively Islam in “enemy territory” (one in which Sharia is not observed) is a State within a State, more than a cult and a race, in those conditions in “Enemy Territory” there are fatal and confusing possible interpretations of the “different laws” and what to do and how they should behave, this goes as far as even with whom they can make friends.
OLD GUY says
She needs to be fast forwarded to one of her beloved muslim/islamic countries. Maybe Iran or Pakistan would suite her idea of the perfect islamic places to live. Sadly we are letting people like her spread false propaganda to our youth in our tax dollar supported SCHOOLS. How DUMB it that.
Peter Burrows says
Just who is perpetuating the “narrative that Islam is not a religion”? That’s news to me. It’s something I would welcome, might open up some fundamental First A questions. Until then, Islam enjoys a trifecta: It’s religion, a race, and a victim. Take your pick. And while ‘race’ is such obvious BS to people who read Spencer, not so with libs who have to think it over:
https://silvercityburro.com/2020/05/25/is-islam-a-race/