“And those who accuse honorable women but do not bring four wit- nesses, lash them eighty times and never accept their testimony, they indeed are evildoers…” (Qur’an 24:4)
“Why didn’t they produce four witnesses? Since they do not produce witnesses, they indeed are liars in the sight of Allah.” (Qur’an 24:13)
“Muslim sect behind Britain’s biggest mosque is rocked by rape allegations after its spiritual leader ‘told alleged victim to keep quiet,'” by Abul Taher, Mail on Sunday, January 8, 2022:
A muslim sect which built Britain’s biggest mosque has been rocked by rape allegations involving its members and claims that its spiritual leader warned the alleged victim against involving police.
The 36-year-old complainant belongs to the Ahmadi sect, which has 30,000 followers in Britain under the leadership of Mirza Masroor Ahmad, who has been feted by senior politicians, including Boris Johnson and Theresa May.
But Imam Ahmad – dubbed ‘the caliph of suburbia’ for basing the sect at the 13,000-capacity Baitul Futuh mosque in Morden, South-West London – has been accused of trying to suppress the allegations after a recording of a 44-minute telephone call with the alleged victim was posted on the internet.
In it, the cleric appears to suggest that the woman drop allegations that she was raped and sexually assaulted by her father and three other sect members at addresses in London, Surrey, Dorset and the Pakistani city of Rabwah, the group’s spiritual headquarters.
During the call, made in July, Imam Ahmad, 71, urged the woman not to report her claims to police and wrongly says she will need four witnesses to prove a rape claim.
The alleged victim responds: ‘You are not the supreme head of the British Government, no British court will accept your stance.’
But she is told: ‘My advice to you is that you drop this case, even if something happened… Even if it has, I am sure those involved would have asked for forgiveness already.’
The woman later wrote on Twitter: ‘Instead of silencing victims, allegations of abuse should be properly investigated, and perpetrators punished, not protected.’ A spokesman for the imam said: ‘The allegation has been and continues to be taken extremely seriously.
‘After his conversation with the complainant, His Holiness [Ahmad] referred the matter to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association UK for immediate action. In turn, AMA UK promptly informed the Metropolitan Police, whose investigation is ongoing. In light of the police involvement, we are unable to comment further.’
The Metropolitan Police confirmed it was investigating allegations of sexual assault between 1987 and 2012 and that a man had been interviewed under caution.
Jim says
They need to decertify this sect, take measures to stop their teachings and discredit sharia laws concerning rape, wife beating, honor killings and compulsory head coverings, etc. A friend of mine once told me that Muslims did not live under such rules, because in some Muslim countries they are not imposed. But they are often or always grounded in holy texts and the teachings of religious leaders. So they can be imposed, and they often are in non-Muslim countries. But Christian societies need to defend them selves, not simply turn the other cheek. There need to be limits set and enforced.
abu taleb says
Some muslims may impose such rules because the rules are stupid and sometimes impossible to be applied. But they can not abandon the rules because it is it is what Islam is. They will implement the rules whenever the circumstances are giving benefit to them. As muslims always say about Islam “Islam is sooo flexible (so we can bend the rules at any time”.
So we have to ban the whole Islam, not just a sect that implement those rules.
mortimer says
HERE IS A TEXT-BOOK CASE OF PATRIARCHY … if FEMINISTS are paying attention.
In Sharia law, the patriarch has full power over his offspring. He can do what he wishes to them. No one may interfere. The patriarch will be assumed by others to have valid reasons for ‘punishing’ his own offspring.
No doubt the young woman was accused of becoming ‘too Western’ or something like that. So the family ‘punished’ her.
Because she had become a KAFIR by her behavior, it was perfectly acceptable for the Muslim patriarch to ‘punish’ her in this sadistic manner. Now he is ‘sorry’ for the police.
Infidel says
Maybe the UK can take its lead from the OIC, recognize that Ahmadiyas are not muslim, and then start treating and regulating them like any other cult. That alone will cut down on probably 90% of their abuses. They’ll also be in sync w/ the rest of the ummah, like Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh and so on ?
gravenimage says
Actually, the UK does not treat cults differently from religions. Besides, kowtowing to orthodox Islam in singling out the Ahmadis is noty going to help–this is mainstream Islam of all sects.
tim gallagher says
Islam seems to be full of complete insanity. This 4 witnesses to a rape rule is a clear example. Rape would usually be committed by one man on one woman, although, of course, there are those muslim rape gangs, so this 4 witnesses rule is absolutely insane in most cases. The minds of the barbaric scum who made up the rules of Islam were bent and twisted to an extraordinary degree and no modern civilised society should put up with any of islam’s utter nonsense on so many issues. Islam and all its garbage belongs way back in mankind’s more primitive past.
Eleanor says
It’s an historical rape case anyway, tim, so the Met Police are just going through the motions, and will most probably sweep it under the carpet, where all the other historical Muslim rape cases are swept, for fear of the Police being called “racist”. We can’t have that now, can we?
mortimer says
Ahmadi Sharia law turns out to be almost identical to Sunnite Sharia law.
Mirza Masroor Ahmad claims to be the CALIPH OF ALL ISLAM, not just of his own relatively small sect.
tim gallagher says
No we can’t have that at all, Eleanor. That worst of all crimes “racism” or its evil twin “Islamophobia”. Far worse than rape , honour murders, Muslim terrorist attacks, etc. I have trouble understanding the bent and twisted nature of the Muslim creatures who came up with a lot of their garbage. I mean this 4 witnesses or there is no rape is about as insane as anything the human mind has ever come up with. Primitive nonsense for knuckle draggers.
PRCS says
Yes, Islam IS complete insanity.
The Muslim cleric is wrong about the four witness rule, as it is about adultery, not rape. Another just-in-the-nick-of-time revelation (cough) concocted by whomever wrote Qur’an;
Here’s an explanation I rounded up:
Quran 24:2-13
24:2 The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. This was one of the three verses used in the film Submission.
24:3 The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers. Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them.
24:4 And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony – They indeed are evil-doers – If you accuse an honorable women of adultery, be sure to bring four witness. Otherwise you will receive 80 lashes.
24:5 Save those who afterward repent and make amends. (For such) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
24:6 As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing) by Allah that he is of those who speak the truth;
24:7 And yet a fifth, invoking the curse of Allah on him if he is of those who lie.
24:8 And it shall avert the punishment from her if she bear witness before Allah four times that the thing he saith is indeed false,
24:9 And a fifth (time) that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he speaketh truth.
24:10 And had it not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy unto you, and that Allah is Clement, Wise, (ye had been undone).
24:11 Lo! they who spread the slander are a gang among you. Deem it not a bad thing for you; nay, it is good for you. Unto every man of them (will be paid) that which he hath earned of the sin; and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be an awful doom. “His will be an awful doom”
24:12 Why did not the believers, men and women, when ye heard it, think good of their own own folk, and say: It is a manifest untruth ?
24:13 Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.
I think there are a few hadiths that apply the same line of thought to rape and homosexuality but I can’t find them. But the point is you can only prove something with four witnesses or if you are a muslim male you can prove it by swearing 5 times and she can avert that by swearing 5 times too. I don’t really understand that part either, maybe he thought people would be more afraid of lying to god than the punishment of lashes.
PRCS says
That last paragraph is not mine, btw, but a part of that explanation. Should’a put the whole thing in quotes.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the information, PRCS. I tried to read those rules but I have to say that my eyes start to glaze over the moment I start to read the garbage these Muslim sages came out with. I know when I tried to read some of the Koran I found it unreadable. Maybe its only useful attribute is as a cure for insomnia. As I said up above, the sort of crap these Muslim lawmakers came up with, such as the 4 witnesses to validate a rape, is sheer insanity to me. I think they had very diseased minds and their poisonous, primitive minds have nothing of worth for the modern, enlightened human being.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
The Muslim cleric is wrong about the four witness rule, as it is about adultery, not rape
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PRCS, if the victim reports being raped and cannot prove that it was rape by Islamic standards–including four adult male witnesses that will testify that she had sex against her will–then she has essentially admitted to “Zina” (unlawul sex or adultery) and can be prosecuted on that basis. That’s what happened to the poor little 13-year-old gang raped and then stoned to death in Somalia. I linked to that story elsewhere on this page.
tim gallagher says
That is appalling what happened to the 13 year old girl, gravenimage. I hadn’t heard about that. In Australia, and no doubt elsewhere, we have plenty of trouble with migrants from Somalia. The Sudanese as well create plenty of violent trouble in youth gangs. When you think about a society that is so bent and sick that it would treat the 13 year old girl in that way, it makes you wonder why we would be taking people from Somalia at all. It is disgusting that, in the 21st century, people can behave in such a way. Off this topic, I recall you saying that you had four cats your have rescued. I had three cats that wandered in a couple of years ago, then, for a few months a fourth one, but it was pretty sick, so I took it to the vet and she told me it was a very sick cat and should be put out of its misery. I decided she was right, so I am back to the three cats again now, all of which are going well and enjoying life.
PRCS says
“if the victim reports being raped and cannot prove that it was rape”
Rape in Islamic Law
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_Law#cite_note-3
Compounding the issue, rape does not apply to one’s wives or slaves in Islamic law.
As it is my understanding that the four male witnesses rule applies to adultery–not rape–the Imam is wrong.
WikiIslam is owned by the Ex-Muslims of North America organization.
PRCS says
Here’s a Wikipedia article concerning the stoning death of that girl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Aisha_Ibrahim_Duhulow
Yes, Islam is a horrific “complete way of life”.
tim gallagher says
Thanks, PRCS. Yes, Islam is an extraordinarily evil, inhumane and horrific way of life. I didn’t know about wikiislam being owned by the ex-Muslims group. I remember coming across a collection of opinions on islam by various people, such as Churchill, Alexis de Tocqueville and many others which I thought was excellent on wikiislam. The one that impressed me most was the comment of John Quincy Adams, which I thought summed up Islam’s vile nature perfectly.
PRCS says
Re: Churhill de Tocqueville, Aadam, et al.,
They’d be vilified for telling the truth today.
tim gallagher says
Yes, they’d be in big trouble in this crazy age, PRCS. The wise people making comments back then saw the truth about islam’s vile nature and didn’t pull their punches with the comments they made. These days they’d be in trouble for being islamophobes and the cancel culture loonies would go after them. I remember thinking that the comments from many of the people included on that wikiislam collection of comments were spot on in their understanding of Islam. They were not fooled by islam at all, unlike quite a lot of people these days.
gravenimage says
PRCS, if the victim cannot prove that it was rape by Islamic standards, then it is considered adultury on the part of the victim.
gravenimage says
Tim and PRCS, that terrible story was covered here at Jihad Watch.
“Amnesty International: “Woman” stoned to death in Somalia was 13-year-old rape victim”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/amnesty-international-woman-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-was-13-year-old-rape-victim
By the way, I found the story right away using Bing. Google would not bring it up.
Infidel says
So much for all those apologists who tell us that Ahmadiyas are so much better than sunnis or shi’a
gravenimage says
Yep.
somehistory says
“, His Holiness”?????
He has holes in his head, but he is so far from “holy” as a pig in its own mudhole is considered “clean” and sanitary. Vomit from a dog is cleaner than this slime. He has made himself a son of satan by his own choice.
And “asked for forgiveness”….mozlums don’t admit wrongdoing, and therefore, will not ask to be forgiven. The mozlum who rapes his own daughter and gives permission for other slime to rape her, is a psychopath, and psychopaths do not accept any blame for wrongs committed.
Besides, wouldn’t the victim be the one to whom they should ask to be forgiven? She would know this if it actually was true.
In at least some U.S. jurisdictions, members of a group such as a church, are obligated to report allegations of rape, or child abuse, to the proper authorities. It that is the case in the U.K,, then that is the only reason the slime at the barracks reported it. If they were not required to, how long would they have covered it up, and accused the victim of lying? (I know the answer to this question0 And if not required by the law, then they only reported it due to her posting it on the web for all to see. Which is a big pretense of virtue.
James Lincoln says
So, according to the feature article:
“UK: Muslim cleric tells woman not to report rape claim to police, says she will need four witnesses as per Qur’an”
So the four witnesses just stand around and do nothing to PREVENT the rape?
Do they just film it on their smart phone for “proper documentation”?
This is sick stuff!
Fitna says
Since they’re Muslims, the 4 male witnesses are just waiting for their turn as they’re all a part of the world’s biggest rape-gang which goes by Ummah or Islam.
So basically as a female, you’re just a walking sex-toy existing for the pleasure of an endless line of Muslim rapists. I guess they couldn’t wait to get their rape victims in heaven, so they created them on Earth.
Ofc every Muslim man has the perfect morals/values to be a great father and family. He can rape any woman he wishes, sell his wives and daughters to other Muslim rapists/pedos if he falls on hard times or needs more cash.
And Sharia law fully supports his sexual deviancy and degeneracy. If females don’t like it, they can be lawfully beaten as often as he likes or even killed.
This is why Muslims hate western laws because when they come here and try to do the same to western women, they have their pesky rights that get in the way. Is it any wonder they turn to terrorism to force us to become like the hellholes that they come from?
The religion is just a front-they pretend to be pious “men of god” but Islam is nothing more than a massive global crime syndicate that has destroyed civilizations for 1400 yrs.
Fitna says
*family man
somehistory says
RICO could be applied here in the U.S. mozlums sell children for daily rape and call it marriage…it really amounts to prostitution.
mozlums threaten others with lawsuits in order to get things to which they are not entitled….this would fall under *extortion* Their scarf hoaxes could be under this too as they talk lawsuit against those who supposedly have made attacks on the scarf.
mozlums in afghanistan traffic in drugs, selling them inside this country
Conspiracy to commit these actions also qualify.
islam is a criminal organization engaged in a worldwide scheme to force their filth on everyone else.
And c.a.i.rats have squashed a lawsuit against a whistleblower who made the accusation that the org gets funding from terror groups…because to defend themselves, the Truth would have to be told in Court.
Fitna says
Good idea SH, we’ll probably need to get very clever with existing laws to dismantle this evil organization of prostitution, misogyny, terrorism and fascism.
Right now the masses are still too terrified to speak openly an honestly about Islam since they don’t want to be labelled as racists and Islamophobes.
Once they get over that fear, then Muslims will have nothing left but threats and violence, which is another criminal offense they can be charged with. RICO would definitely be useful as it has taken down other mafia/criminal groups.
somehistory says
Many actual mafia have gone to prison when RICO was used correctly.
There have also been successful criminal prosecutions of the Aryan Brotherhood….who have their own “church” and a book they call their “Bible” and a rule of “blood in-blood out” …using RICO, as they engage in drug trafficking, prostitution, extortion, etc.
If prosecutors decided to , they could make charges stick against mozlums and their organizations. c.a.i.rat was on the way to that when “bo” took over the Oval Office and put a stop to the trial.
Fitna says
Indeed Somehistory, it could prove very effective against Muslims.
I’d love to see CAIR and all the other Muslim thug groups behind bars or deported.
Obama was the Muslim world’s secret infiltrator. Once he got in, he shut down the whole anti-Islam, counter-jihad movement and set us back many, many years.
The US was very close to figuring it all out, esp. the military. But Obama cleverly removed everyone who “knew too much.”
This is why the authorities are largely clueless about how to deal with Islam. Instead of treating it as an enemy ideology like Nazism, they are foolish treating it as a law enforcement problem which works in the Muslims’ favor.
We need strong leaders willing to bring the fight to this totalitarian death cult and reverse everything Obama did.
James Lincoln says
Fitna,
To your point regarding Obama:
The late (murdered) Phil Haney, formally a retired DHS frontline officer and intelligence expert, had been tracking people affiliated with the Islamic Deobandi movement, such as the San Bernardino jihadists Sayed Farook and Tashfeen Malik.
His work at DHS was shut down by the Obama administration, prior to the San Bernardino terrorist attack – which likely would have been stopped.
Tragic beyond tragic – and also criminal…
somehistory says
‘bo’ caused a lot of deaths due to his invading of the WH and pretending to be president. As a mozlum mole, he ordered that the investigations into terror orgs and individuals halted and the information collected, destroyed.
Mr. Haney was likely not the only agent who was working to uncover those whose intent was to cause mass murder. And the texts that were being used to teach about islam, were changed and information removed, instructors such as Mr. Spencer, were told they were no longer needed/wanted and the programs that had been designed to stop ilsam’s terror campaign, were changed to suit the demands of c.a.i.rats and other orgs that belong to the mb.
biden and company….which includes “bo” and soros, do not want the Truth to become known by a wider population, and will keep doing as ‘bo’ started and cover up, discard, destroy, and eliminate the information.
James Lincoln says
somehistory says,
“Mr. Haney was likely not the only agent who was working to uncover those whose intent was to cause mass murder.”
100% true, Mr. Haney was only one prominent example.
Fitna says
Thanks James L, I recall Haney’s interviews, sad to hear that he got killed…but not surprising, because the enemy is truly ferocious but they keep spewing propaganda to prevent people from figuring it out.
Obama should’ve been blocked from running at all, given his sketchy background. The trouble is that the situation has only worsened since then as the Republicans have gotten weaker, while the Democrats have become even more pro-Islam than before.
Given that Leftists are largely in control of western nations, Islam will only continue to get stronger at our expense and the day that ‘shtf’ then people will be completely unprepared for what’s coming with more Islamic terrorism, bullying and infiltration. The next 20 years will be very telling.
mortimer says
The rapists apparently did so at the behest of the patriarch who can do whatever he likes to his offspring. That is Sharia. He simply has to make up a plausible charge against the daughter such as ‘she blasphemed’ or she said she was ‘leaving Islam’. That would exonerate him.
Fitna says
Indeed Mortimer, Islam is entirely rigged against females, they have to shut up and take it or face stonings, lashing, jail, honor killings and so on.
As I said before if I was a Muslim woman, I’d be escaping my family and Islamic nations. If I was too poor, then I’d consider suicide but I’d probably try to take as many of them down with me as I could.
DavidR says
Another recitation from Allah that just coincidentally made Muhammad and his rapey soldiers ecstatic.
It magically transforms a rape victim into a fornicating whore who can be whipped and jailed.
mortimer says
No doubt, the young woman was becoming Westernized and hard to control by the patriarch.
gravenimage says
Quite likely, Mortimer.
Nasir says
It is very disingenuous of you to post an unverified claim, but what else can we expect from you and your ‘reputable’ source, the Daily Mail. It’s been banned by Wikipedia and Microsoft as being unreliable and spreading prejudice. In regards to proving a rape allegation in Islam there are three distinct steps: taking an oath from the accused, providing undeniable evidence such as medical evidence or condition the woman is found in, and also witnesses. On the other hand, the Bible does not even allow a victim the chance to provide evidence. If an unmarried woman is forced she has no choice but to marry her rapist, and if this can’t be proven or she didn’t scream for help then she will be stoned to death along with him. As mentioned in Deuteronomy 22.
gravenimage says
Nasir wrote:
It is very disingenuous of you to post an unverified claim, but what else can we expect from you and your ‘reputable’ source, the Daily Mail. It’s been banned by Wikipedia and Microsoft as being unreliable and spreading prejudice.
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Of course, Nasir here doesn’t note that an audio recording exists of this conversation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnOCvAfnw70&ab_channel=QuestioningIslam%2FAhmadiyya
More:
In regards to proving a rape allegation in Islam there are three distinct steps: taking an oath from the accused, providing undeniable evidence such as medical evidence or condition the woman is found in, and also witnesses.
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Actually, Islam says *nothing* about physical medical evidence–this is a bald-faced lie. As for those witnesses, this is a demand that any rape victim present four adult male Muslim witnesses willing to testify for the victim.
If there are no such witnesses, then the victim herself is regarded as having “admitted” to sex outside marriage, and she may be stoned to death.
Nothing theoretical here–here is one such case:
“Rape Victim Stoned to Death in Somalia Was 13, UN Says”
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/africa/05somalia.html
She dared report her gang rape–but none of the rapists would testify on her behalf. This is why rape is so seldom reported in the Muslim world. Poor child.
More:
On the other hand, the Bible does not even allow a victim the chance to provide evidence. If an unmarried woman is forced she has no choice but to marry her rapist, and if this can’t be proven or she didn’t scream for help then she will be stoned to death along with him. As mentioned in Deuteronomy 22.
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No Jews or Christians are doing this as Nasir pretends. In fact, Nasir’s coreligionists condemned Jews for not practicing stoning 1400 years ago,when they themselves reinstituted it. Nasir either does not know this, or–far more likely–desperately hopes that *we* don’t know this.
Does Nasir have any problem with his coreligionists raping victims? Not so he says–very telling.
Fitna says
Excellent post Graven, you owned him. 🙂
James Lincoln says
Fitna,
One thing is for certain:
No one can bullsh*t gravenimage.
No one.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Fitna and James.
Fitna says
Agreed James and you’re welcome Graven.
Infidel says
Well, it’s worth noting that Ahmadiya is not accepted as mainstream islam, but what I am curious about is whether Ahmadiya allows for things like medical evidence or the condition that women are found in, as Nasir claims above? Also about witnesses: do Ahmadiyas also maintain that the evidence of 1 muslim – Ahmadiya or not – is worth more than the evidence of 1 infidel?
gravenimage says
I don’t know its entire cultural history in this regard, Infidel–but despite not being regarded as orthodox Islam–the Ahmadis still follow Islam on most matters.
Infidel says
Wikipedia and Microsoft, you say? Two ? organizations that are totally discredited. Wiki is an encyclopedia you can edit, and Microsoft has gone from selling great computer software to giving away ? software and trying to make its money from advertizing, w/o offering any unique selling propositions. Only a moron would enable newsguard on his Edge browser, if s/he’s stupid enough to use Edge in the first place (which is now a clone of Chromium)
somehistory says
Related….but in the U.S
“CAIR Drops Lawsuit Against Whistleblower
IPT News
January 10, 2022
https://www.investigativeproject.org/9118/cair-drops-lawsuit-against-whistleblower”
Rape and sexual assault are ordinary, daily activities of mozlums everywhere.
somehistory says
“A former employee who alleged rampant sexual discrimination and harassment inside the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was using “disturbingly false allegations” in a “systemic and continuous internet smear campaign” to get people to stop donating to, or working with the organization, CAIR said in a lawsuit filed last spring.
Lori Saroya’s “public lies are damaging CAIR and the American Muslim community in ways that are significant and long lasting,” CAIR’s lawsuit claimed. But CAIR may have seen that damage as less harmful than a discovery process which could expose organizational secrets.
CAIR abruptly filed a stipulation to dismiss the lawsuit with prejudice, meaning it cannot be refiled, on Friday. CAIR had told the federal court in Minnesota that it would file an amended complaint by then.
Throughout the fall, the two sides fought over CAIR’s refusal to answer a series of defense interrogatories. While CAIR claimed it had provided much of the information, some requests “were interposed solely to annoy, oppress, harass and unduly burden CAIR.””
There is more at IPT. It seems that c.a.i.rats dropped the suit because they didn’t want to identify exactly who funds them.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that grim story, Somehistory.
Pray Hard says
Nothing new about this. Been around for centuries.
gravenimage says
UK: Muslim cleric tells woman not to report rape claim to police, says she will need four witnesses as per Qur’an
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Appalling–but this is orthodox Islam, so who can be surprised?
Fitna says
The fact that 1.5 billion morons take this absurd law seriously is very scary. Who the hell rapes anyone with 4 witnesses watching?
It’s laughable on its face, Muslims men know it too, but why should be whistleblowers and demand justice for women, when it benefits them if they decide to rape anyone?
Not to mention their fellow Muslims would probably kill them. As they grow their population in the West, they will demand Sharia law so they can freely rape millions of western girls/women with impunity.
Fitna says
excuse the grammar, I should proof-read more often.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Fitna. Cases where there are four adult male witnesses sympathetic to the victm–but unable to stop the rape–must categorically be *very* rare.
Infidel says
Also what if the adult male witnesses are not muslim? Then their evidence will be worth less, and one might need eight non-muslim witnesses to bring a case. But if there were 8 men there, wouldn’t they intervene, unless they were sociopaths just enjoying the scene? In which case, how likely are they to be witnesses for the victim?
gravenimage says
If I recall correctly, an Infidel man’s testimony is worth half that of a Muslim woman–so that would mean you’d need 16 Infidel men–altough their testimony would likely be dismissed in a case like this as being “Islamophobic”, even if the victim was herself Muslim.
somehistory says
About the only way this *witness number* would actually work, would be if the *witnesses” were bound and possibly gagged, and forced to watch the rape. They would have to later be released or rescued by LE and would have to be willing to give testimony against the rapists.
It’s really like a “Catch 22.” No decent person would sit by and watch a rape and then give testimony about what was witnessed. If there were some witnessing the criminal assault, they are not the kind of people who would volunteer to tell about it in court. and if they did, they would have to say just why they did not intervene’
It’s a vile, demonic, *rule.*
Fitna says
Indeed Graven.
Basically it’s aim is to strip women of all rights and means to fight back against their attackers.
The dream of all rapists/pedos, Mohammad made it happen, that’s why the psychos, criminal, sexual deviants love him.
If the West doesn’t figure it out, modern civilization will be destroyed and we’ll descend into barbarism.
There’s a story about a politician I think in Pakistan who declared if women try to gain rights and stop child-marriage they have 100,000 martyrs ready to sacrifice themselves to prevent that from happening. Robert also posted about that recently.
So they’re willing to engage in mass murder to prevent females from gaining any rights and protection over their own bodies.
If the West was sane and paying attention, we’d be decimating these vermin right now. We let this evil plague of pedos/rapists/terrorists get out of hand and now we have to deal with this huge problem.
notnolib says
Rape, like killing of infidels, is a “built-in” of the gutter cult of (p)islam, which was invented by the peodphile false prophet, the pig-faced dog mohammed.
OLD GUY says
What a great religious system. Rape, Killing, lies, and violence are approved and worshiped by its religious leaders and followers. A criminal organizations couldn’t come up with a better plan then the islamic dictate on how to operate. The use of brutality to control your organization and the community that you are operating in. And than you demand respect.