In the Qur’an, a mysterious figure, known as Khidr in Islamic tradition, kills a boy in an apparently random and gratuitous attack. He then explains: “And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief. So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy.” (18:80-81)
And according to Islamic law, “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (Reliance of the Traveller o1.1-2).
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.” In Iran, according to the New York Times, the legal system “treats parents who murder their children with relative leniency, as the maximum sentence for the crime is only ten years.”
“Court frees brother who confessed to killing social media star Qandeel Baloch,” by Sophia Saifi, Azaz Syed and Rhea Mogul, CNN, February 15, 2022:
Karachi (CNN)The brother of murdered social media star Qandeel Baloch has been freed by a Pakistan appeals court, three years after he was convicted of killing her for “bringing dishonor” to the family.
Baloch’s murder in 2016 sparked a national outcry and promoted changes in the country’s so-called ‘honor killing’ laws.
Waseem Baloch’s lawyer, Sardar Mehmood, confirmed the acquittal with CNN Tuesday but did not provide further details. A court order has not yet been made public.
Waseem Baloch was arrested within days of the murder and confessed on video to killing his 25-year-old sister at her family home in the city of Multan in Pakistan’s Punjab province. Despite his admission, he pleaded not guilty in court and in 2019 was sentenced to life imprisonment.
Pakistan’s so-called ‘honor killings’ typically involve the murder of a woman by a relative who believes she has brought shame upon the family. At the time of Qandeel Baloch’s murder, Pakistan law allowed a murder victim’s family to pardon a convicted killer….
“This is the sorry state of not so sorry State…we are sorry Qandeel. Shocked and speechless,” she said.
In a confession video, Waseem Baloch said he was “proud” of killing his sister, adding that having his friends share her pictures and video clips was “too much” for him.
“I drugged her first, then I killed her,” he said. “Girls are born to stay home and follow traditions. My sister never did that.”
mortimer says
The numerous Islamic vigilante murderers of Pakistan are a direct result of Sharia law which allows the patriarch to murder his own offspring without repercussion. The foolish PM of Pakistan, Imran Khan, believes that the state can rein in these vigilantes by pleading with them to respect the authority of his civilian government. He is completely wrong. Imran Khan’s fanatical Muslim government has released the JENNIE from bottle and now they are trying to stuff it back. No chance. Islamism takes on a life of its when the Islamists see they are in control. Even the Pakistani police fear the Islamist terrorists.
The only way to turn down this intense, destructive fire is to convince Pakistanis EN MASSE to abandon Islam as an outmoded, backward DEATH CULT that is opposed to all the values of modernity and is forcing Pakistan to remain in the Dark Ages.
mortimer says
Spelling: genie or jinni (Definition of jinni noun (Islam) an invisible spirit mentioned in the Koran and believed by Muslims to inhabit the earth and influence mankind by appearing in the form of humans or animals)
BTeboe says
Good luck with that. You simply cannot drag 7th Cen barbarians into the 21st.
Fitna says
Mortimer, you underestimate how deeply held religious beliefs are. Some people are willing to kill or be killed for them, becoming martyrs.
Maybe on an individual basis you can get a few Muslims to leave Islam, I’ve deconverted three myself, but that’s because they were already very westernized and they didn’t take their religion seriously. They were open-minded enough to see that Islam was a scam and a dangerous ideology, and they left it on their own accord.
However trying to convert millions of Muslims is a different story. People change their behavior when they are in groups, esp. large ones. Plus they are already are afraid of being killed by their fellow Muslims.
The only way Islam will be ended is either by the non-Muslim global community deciding Islam is an evil ideology that must be eliminated (as we did with Nazism), or an anti-Islam movement growing from within Muslim countries.
Reformists, women’s movements, ex-Muslims have all tried to make Islam more benign and they were either killed (or live in hiding) by regular Muslims.
I don’t know why you keep making that suggestion when you know Muslims are not going to leave Islam so easily. Don’t they have brains? They see the problems Islam creates, but they think it is what Allah wants.
They already hate us non-Muslims, do you think they’ll listen if we ask them to leave Islam? If that was possible and that easy, they would’ve already left.
gravenimage says
Mortimer–with all respect–your idea that pious Muslims value modernity more than the diktats of Islam is mistaken.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Mortimer corrects his spelling JENNI with “genie or jinni”. A jenni is a modern jinn whose pronouns are she/her.
How to get rid of polterjinns? Asking for a friend.
gravenimage says
🙂
PMK says
Another honor killing is pardoned in Pakistan. C’est la vie.
tim gallagher says
Pakistan seems like a particularly hardline Muslim country so this murderous maggot getting off the murder of his sister is no surprise. The brother is obviously a knuckle dragging subhuman who believes that “girls are born to stay home and follow traditions”, but the amazing thing is the way there are so many people in our western societies who defend Islam and say, oh, it’s just another religion or one of the great religions of the world and all that type of bullshit. Maybe these stories just don’t get out to enough people. I know I mainly read about disgusting cases like this here at Jihad Watch, so maybe the media cover up for islam prevents the average person from learning how loathsome Islam is .
Fitna says
Spot on Tim, that’s partly what makes Islam so frightening and dangerous. Like that story that Spencer cites every so often about a Muslim man killing a young boy he didn’t know and then later explaining that he was helping his parents out so they’d have a better more religious son.
Islam is chock full of justifications for rape and murder, so that any psychopath or a Muslim venting his anger on innocents can be excused away by some religious reference so he appears to be pious and doing God’s work.
This poor girl was murdered for posting photos and videos of herself. What kind of a god would call that ‘shameful’ and want them dead? Why doesn’t the same apply to Muslim boys? If everyone followed her brother’s example then most women/females would be dead right now.
You’re right, most people don’t know about this story and a million others about Muslims because few media sites every report them, aside from JW and some others. I recall telling such stories to some of my relatives and they were utterly shocked.
Sadly most people don’t bother to educate themselves, so really it’s the mainstream media that is dropping the ball. They refuse to inform the masses to our detriment, so people will only find out the hard way.
tim gallagher says
I agree with everything you have written there, Fitna. I read that story up the top of this report about this mysterious murderous piece of shit, Khidr, and I think I have read about this creature before, and I thought, oh, so is this one of reasons why Muslims breed so many children. If children step out of line and embarrass the parents with their “transgressions” (like, in the case of this girl, daring to do something as human as posting a photo of herself) then that kid can be murdered but, hey, the parents still a bunch of other also disposable kids who then stay on the straight and narrow. Islam is inhumane and monstrous although I do realise that cases like this are not what I think most Muslims would do to an errant child. I mean this unfortunate young woman plainly had a complete knuckle dragger for a brother, although probably a man similar to endless Pakistanis in his barbarity. The media do cover up for Islam. I had a similar experience to what you mention. I told one of my fairly left wing sisters, who knew nothing about islam, about how Muhammad, when 50 years old, married the 8 year old Aisha, and she was, of course, shocked. I don’t believe that Muhammad even existed, but nevertheless, the Muslim “perfect”man is a grotesquely evil piece of crap.
Fitna says
Indeed Tim, I see Islam the same way as you. Even if pedo-Moh wasn’t real, his teachings, legend and example as the ‘best pattern of conduct’ for 1.5 billion Muslims exists.
If only he could’ve been like Jesus or Buddha, men of true peace and brotherhood, the world would’ve been a much better place. But sadly this is the reality we live and maybe it was inevitable there would be crazy ideologies based on maniacs, if it wasn’t called Islam it’d be something else but just as evil.
I would be surprised and saddened if the West does fall to Islam. I don’t expect it will since we’ve defeated evil monsters before like Hitler, but the question is how many thousands or millions of innocents need to suffer and die before western society takes this danger very seriously.
All we can do is educate others and hope the message filters up to the right people who have the actual power to stop this death cult before it causes more damage. I worry about a tipping point where Muslims have the numbers to overwhelm our institutions, perhaps even the military and establish an Islamic state in our countries.
They could even do it legally by establishing Islamic parties, voting themselves into power, then genociding non-Muslims as they’ve done in Sudan and other nations that few people pay attention to.
But to end on a positive note, the problem of Islam is slowly becoming mainstreamed thanks to people like Zemmour, even if he doesn’t become PM of France, he’s already done the West a huge favor through his ‘consciousness-raising’ so that maybe others can carry his torch and do the needful.
tim gallagher says
Yes we do see Islam in the same way, Fitna. I hope that enough people in western countries do wake up in time. I’m not sure it will happen. There may just be too many sleepwalkers around who won’t wake up in time. As I live in Australia, I have noticed how people like Le Pen and now Zemmour, and Wilders in the Netherlands, have huge followings and gain quite a percentage of the vote. In Australia, any anti-slam politician would still be a fringe player and gain only a tiny vote. I guess that it is because we have only, so far, around 2% Muslims, whereas France has over 8% and has bigger and more obvious problems. For Australia and all other countries out in our area of the world, China is the biggest threat we face and this is now being recognised by very large numbers of people. I loathe islam because I think it is an evil, primitive load of garbage that needs to disappear from the modern world, so we do all need to fight this malevolent ideology, just as we fight Nazism and Communism. I have mentioned this story before at Jihad Watch, but I still find it remarkable. Way back in 1979 there was belgian guy on a holiday here in Australia. He was a friend of a friend of mine. He loved Australia and said “don’t let Muslims in or they’ll destroy the country”. He must have noticed a few Muslims around out here. I said that I thought it would be OK. It took me years before i began to wake up, but, looking back, I think that Belgian guy was amazing in his insight way back then. Almost no-one had woken up back then.
James Lincoln says
Fitna says,
“I would be surprised and saddened if the West does fall to Islam. I don’t expect it will since we’ve defeated evil monsters before like Hitler”
I’m a little less optimistic.
During World War II, the allies could recognize the evil of someone like Adolf Hitler.
With today’s Leftist “wokeness” infiltrating even the US military leadership, and on the current trajectory, we may reach a point where US citizens / servicemembers may not feel that the United States is worth defending.
I say this obviously hoping that I am categorically wrong.
James Lincoln says
Fitna says
“…most people don’t know about this story and a million others about Muslims because few media sites every report them, aside from JW and some others. I recall telling such stories to some of my relatives and they were utterly shocked.”
I, too, have related similar stories to my relatives.
They literally did not believe me.
I’m the “crazy uncle”.
tim gallagher says
Of course it’s better to be the “crazy uncle” who knows the truth about islam’s nature, James, than to be one of the innumerable sleepwalkers who simply know almost nothing about islam or have bought the rubbish from most of the media about how Islam is basically peaceful, etc. I’m a bit like you in being pessimistic about whether most people will wake up in time when it comes to islam, but, like you, I hope I’m wrong.
gravenimage says
+1
tim gallagher says
thanks for the +1, gravenimage.
Kagman says
The US is no stranger to this behavior. Some mozzie slug from texas murdered one or two of his daughters. He was on the FBI’s most wanted list for TEN YEARS…. Of course the family protected him but make no mistake, there were PLENTY in that filth of a community who were aware of his presence and no doubt aided in his hiding…
these people, quite simply, are an outrage and have NO business being allowed across the border, much less become citizens.
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Court frees brother who confessed to murdering his sister, a social media star, in honor killing
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No one should be surprised by this–“Honor Killings” are Islamic, and seldom punished in the Muslim world. Poor girl.
Walter Sieruk says
Many devout Muslims call such malice-filled cruel murdering behavior “honor killing,” yet in reality there is actually no “honor” at all in that vicious callous despicable horrendous malicious murderous Islamic practice.
Furthermore once I read through an Islamic propaganda booklet that was printed for naive Westerners who are totally uninformed and thus unknowing about the bloody violent essence of Islam.
In it on one page it had a picture of a little girl sitting right next to her pet cat and under that photograph were the words that read “Islam is a religion that respects life, all life.”
That is a outright lie of a false claim as as any bogus statement can possibly be.
Walter Sieruk says
To state the obvious , there is no real honor ,at all in that cold blooded vicious premeditated murder that is so inappropriately called “honor killing” in the Islamic world.
D Cripps says
As readers of JihadWatch know, not all ‘honour-killings’ are executed by parents or grandparents. However, there are other rulings mentioned in “Reliance of the Traveller” that may indicate some of the thinking involved in what might be killing-by-proxy. Further clarity would be helpful…
From “Reliance of the Traveller” (RotT)…
Subsection: 03.0 RETALIATION FOR BODILY INJURY OR DEATH (QISAS)
03.8 Whenever someone who is entitled to exact retaliation decides instead to forgive the offender and take an indemnity (def: 04) from him, then retaliation is no longer called for, and the deserving person is entitled to the indemnity. If some of a group of people who are entitled to retaliation agree to forgo it, as when a murder victim has children and one of them forgives the murderer, then retaliation is no longer obligatory, and the group deserves an indemnity from the offender. (A: Or the indemnity may also be waived.)
Subsection: 04.0 INDEMNITY (DIYA)
(A: The rulings below concern the maximum that the victim or victim’s family may demand. If both sides agree on an indemnity of lesser amount, or nothing at all, this is legally valid and binding.)
04.1 An indemnity is obligatory (N: though it may by waived by deserving recipients, like retaliation) in cases of death caused: (1) by an honest mistake (def: 02.2); (2) by a mistake made in a deliberate injury (02.3); (3) or intentionally, if those entitled to retaliate agree to forgo retaliation (dis: 03.8).
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[If “deserving recipients” (which appears to refer to the “victim’s family”) decide NOT to waive the indemnity, these rulings appear in RotT…]
THE INDEMNITY FOR A PURELY INTENTIONAL KILLING
04.3 The indemnity for cases of purely intentional homicide (def: 02.4) is made severe in three ways: (a) it must be paid immediately; (b) it is due from the offender himself; (c) and the amount paid is (N: 1,333.3 gold dinars (n: 5,646.6 grams of gold) or else:) 30 she-camels in their fourth year, 30 she-camels in their fifth year, and 40 pregnant she-camels.
[Leaving aside question of ready access to gold dinars and she-camels, I am unclear from the text if “deserving recipients” can choose to waive the indemnity of these in the case of a “purely intentional killing” by certain relatives of the victim, as see the case of 04.6(1) below. (The relevant list of “unmarriageable kin by birth” is given further down from this.)…]
04.6 But no matter whether the killing was a mistake or intentional, the three-types-of-camel-indemnity (def: 04.3(c) must be paid if the person killed was: (1) an unmarriageable kin by birth relative of the killer (def: m6.1(1-8) and m6.2(1-6))[*]; (2) slain in the Sacred Precinct in Mecca; (3) or killed during one of the sacrosanct months of Dhul Qa’da, Dhul Hijja, Muharram, or Rajab.
[* “An unmarriageable kin by birth relative of a male killer (def: m6.1(1-8))” includes the following…]
m6.1 It is unlawful (0: meaning both sinful and legally invalid) for a man to marry his: (1) mother; (2) grandmothers (0: from his mother’s or father’s side) and on up; (3) daughters; (4) daughters of his children, children’s children, and on down; (5) sisters; (6) daughters of brothers or sisters, their children’s daughters, and on down; (7) mother’s sisters, grandmother’s sisters, and on up; (8) father’s sisters, father’s father’s sisters, and on up
[“An unmarriageable kin by birth relative of a female killer (def: m6.2(1-6))” includes the following…]
m6.2 (N: It is unlawful and invalid for a woman to marry her: (1) father, grandfather, and on up; (2) son, son’s son, daughter’s son, and on down; (3) brother; (4) father’s brother, meaning the brother of any male ancestor; (5) mother’s brother, meaning the brother of any female ancestor; (6) brother’s son, sister’s son, or any other descendants of brothers or sisters
[…Do these rulings mean that all the above “unmarriageable kin by birth” killers of relatives must, under this fiqh, theoretically pay up the gold or she-camels; or do they mean that the “deserving recipients” are allowed to waive this, just as they might waive indemnity in the case of a killer who is not “an unmarriageable kin by birth” of the victim? If the latter is permissible, then the whole family (or any proxy) might feel able to join in the fun of honour-killings.]
OLD GUY says
Hey he only killed his sister, what’s another dead women got to do with anything? They were both living under islamic rule which gave him the right to pass judgement of her and the right to execute her. Surprised he didn’t get a payout from the mosque he attends for killing her.
raja says
Old Guy,
The payout is on the way and award ceremony is scheduled to be live-streamed on FB, Twitter, Islamic channels, Paki national channels and so on. Njoy… /sarc off