Given France’s secularism and its rules, why would Muslim women try to circumvent them? It isn’t only Muslims who are subject to them. Christians and Jews are also affected, yet the whole focus has become about Muslims.
An abaya a full length outer garment warn by Muslim women; it clearly shows religious affiliation, so wearing it was a violation of that law. The Muslims were evidently trying to defy the ban.
“France banning Islamic abaya robes in schools, calling them an attempt to convert others to Islam,” CBS News, August 28, 2023:
France is to ban Islamic garments known as abayas in schools from September, the government announced Sunday, with a top official calling them a “political attack” and an attempt to convert people to Islam.
In an interview on French TV channel TF1, education minister Gabriel Attal said the ban aligned with “laicité,” France’s hard-line version of secularism, which prohibits outward signs of religion in schools.
Critics argue the broad policy has been weaponized to target French Muslims…..
…. “You enter a classroom, you must not be able to identify the religion of the students by looking at them,” he said.
Government spokesman Olivier Veran said Monday that the abaya was “obviously” religious and “a political attack, a political sign,” and that he deemed the wearing of it to be an act of “proselytizing.”
Attal said he would give “clear rules at the national level” to school heads ahead of the return to classes nationwide from September 4.
The move comes after months of debate over the wearing of abayas in French schools, where women and girls have long been barred from wearing the Islamic headscarf or face coverings.
A March 2004 law banned “the wearing of signs or outfits by which students ostensibly show a religious affiliation”…….
Nick says
Can anyone refute the Muslim apologist Shahid bolsen who has the YouTube channel middle nation. He sounds smart but i know he is a liar. He called these laws misogyny.
ChrisFromCincinnati says
Ah Come On Now France! Let those women be oppressed!
FYI says
a dawa man is like someone trying to sell you a square tire
an islamic scholar is like someone trying to convince you that the science of the koran shows that a square tire is actually more efficient than a circular tire
a convert to islam bought the tire but then someday realizes that was ridiculous.
An ex-muslim knows how ridiculous it was to think a square tire would ever work in the first place
One of the things about that hijab is that allah-in the SAME koran-reveals he doesn’t actually understand Biology{or astronomy etc} and so it is preposterous for a woman to have to wear a hijab on behalf of a god who knows LESS biology than any woman.
The hijab/burqa have NOTHING to do with modesty:it has to do with CONTROL
Hijab on-hijab off,Good muslima-bad muslima/infidel woman.prostitute{Tafsir Ibn Kathir}
An ex-muslim woman without a nikab/hijab= A smart woman.She has obviously figured it out.
May I tell muslims about the WAY OF THE MURTAD….a way out of this cult of the kaaba…
FYI says
Very well muslimas…
The Way of the Murtad requires you accept the following principles:it has nothing do with religion as such.
It is not easy.
#1You need to think critically for yourself
#2 STOP listening to ‘holy men’ telling you what to think and interpreting for you
#3 The Golden Rule is essential{allah missed it!}
#4You need to stop living in fear.Not easy.
#5 You are not half the value of a man.
#6 You do not have a ‘deficiency of mind’ as muhammed said.
I mean what would muhammed know:he could neither read nor write and had to travel around the clouds on a flying donkey with a woman’s face
And don’t forget to explain to allah where babies come from {koran 86:6-7}and correct allah’s misunderstanding on Biology.
The Way of the murtad:You know it’s right.
PRCS says
Re: hijab/jilbab/chador/niqab/burqa, etc.:
France should cite Qur’an 33:59 which declares the superiority of Muslim women over “filthy, unbeliving French women” and 24:31 that addresses a Muslim woman’s slaves and eunuchs as THE reason to ban them.
Westman says
From 24:31, “…Let them not stomp their feet, drawing attention to their hidden adornments. ..”
Apparently, some newly-minted Muslim women didn’t accept their femininity being swept into “body bags” by Muhammad’s new revelations.
Hoi Polloi says
I 100% take these forms of dress as a muslima’s large, glaring directive to muslims that they are to rape the women around her, with her full complicity. After all, the mass rape of British girls was accomplished through the refusal of muslim women to make any move whatsoever to stop it.
somehistory says
Several years ago, they banned the mozlum scarf, so this is a natural step in the right direction. For many reasons.
the mozlum girls being allowed to wear their special slave garments…with an arrogant attitude…makes them, as students appear special compared to the girls who are not wearing specialized clothing. And the girls are fully aware.
It also points out to the mozlum males in the schools which girls are off limits for luring, for faking affection and for sexual assault.
PRCS says
You have this completely backward. The veil is not slave garb.
Per Qur’an 33:51 it is a non-verbal expression of a covered Muslim woman’s SUPERIORITY over “unbelieving women” who are–as you correctly infer–fair game for a Muslim man’s tender mercies.
And Qur’an 24:31–the “modesty” passage–permits uncovered Muslim women to be viewed by their slaves.
Politicians, educators, and so-called journalists in non-Muslim nations like ours need to told–straight up–what that clothing’s actual purpose is and should be asked if any woman in their personal lives is in any way inferior to Muslim women anywhere.
James Lincoln says
PRCS,
As I understand it, the reason that muslimas wear that garb depends upon the situation.
In Western countries, garb items like the hijab are worn voluntarily to denote superiority.
In islamic countries, the garb is compulsive – so that the muslima acts “modestly” while in public.
PRCS says
Well shimpate,
Though many [most] of the world’s Muslim women don’t know what Qur’an actually says about that, the Big Book does apply to each of them: everywhere and for all time.
Muslim men make sure they’re complying in Iran and–to a lesser degree–here, too.
somehistory says
James Lincoln,
It is the garment of slavery. Because, no woman who has an “owner” or “master,” which the males consider themselves to be, gets to decide how to dress.
Some may have fewer restrictions, and get to only wear the scarf, while others, such as those in afghanistan, saudi arabia, pakistan, etc. are made to wear the all over garbage bag type garments. The women of iran have certainly paid a heavy price for trying to break free from the slavery.
A free woman gets to decide things for herself. Whether to marry, and if so, whom they choose. Whether to work, how to dress, what friends to have, etc.
A slave woman does not. She does as she is commanded and forced to do.
As a Bible reader, you may recall that Sarah was called the “free woman,” and her descendants from Isaac onward, were “sons of the free woman,” while those of the slave girl, Hagar, were not “free”., but were called ‘sons of the slave girl.”
Any time a mozlum woman wears any of the garments that identify her as a mozlum, she is wearing “slavegear.”
The mozlums in the U.S. and some other places may deny and say they are “free” to choose, but this is only if their male family members allow them a choice.
I can recall several young women being murdered by their male family members because they didn’t want to wear the mozlum garb and they had non-mozlum friends. This has happened in the U.S., Canada, and other nations.
The fact that we can identify many mozlum women by the clothes they wear, to me, says they are slaves, even if they don’t admit it or even recognize it.
I don’t have any of it backward. Some just can’t understand a different view.
PRCS says
Qur’an 33:59 clearly defines hijab/chador, etc. as expressions of Islamic supremacism over “unbelieving” women and Qur’an 24:31 addresses Muslim womens’ slaves.
While many passages from Qur’an and other texts do make a Muslim woman’s second class status clear, those two do not.
You do have this backward.
Kenneth Johnson says
Slowly, slowly, but I’m afrraid its too late. Ken
Westman says
Isn’t it interesting that all the burdens and blockades to advancement are placed on Muslim women? Muhammad had to know that wearing an Abaya in a hot environment, particularly a black abaya, would force women indoors.
Cook ’em, send a male-minder with them, limit their education, marry them off for profit or influence, give them many children, and keep them in the back of the Mosque where they can be told they are inferior to men – right from the Quran. Maybe they feel better after a complaint session with the husband’s other wives?
Ianna Laren says
As a matter of fact, Muslim women are less worth than prostitutes to their husbands.
At least prostitutes have their own income and can choose which men they accept and which not.
A muslim woman can’t deny sex, often has to share her husband with several other women and no real protection against being thrown out of the houshold, should the man decide it.
Really no reason to be proud and even arrogant.
And of course Allah isn’t more sophisticated than Mohammed, the child raper. How should he, being nothing else than Mohammed’s alter ego?
Devasur says
Lol, Islamists this black tent represents diversity. Do they even know the meaning of diversity? Forcing every women to wear black tent is opposite of diversity.
PRCS says
Unlike the morons in our nations who parrot the “diversity is our strength” line, Muslims don’t.
David M says
France is screwed. Each riot in the future like the one we saw recently when the young criminal was shot will be larger & more violent, & it will kick off for a less & less reason. Normal French people will move to the countryside, & the Muslims will take over the cities.
I won’t ever visit Paris, the Eiffel Tower is ugly anyway.