Those rabid crowds who have been chanting their slogans — “From the river to the sea/Palestine will be free” (meaning Israel must disappear, to be replaced by a twenty-third Arab state), or “Say No To Genocide” — as they shut down traffic at the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, at the Brooklyn Bridge in New York, and block the main thoroughfare to O’Hare Airport in Chicago, and engage in the same traffic-stopping sit-ins at dozens of other sites, describe themselves as “pro-Palestine.” Elder of Ziyon begs to differ. His take on what prompts these protestors can be found here: “No, the people disrupting traffic Monday are not ‘pro-Palestine,'” Elder of Ziyon, April 16, 2024:
The local news media all get it wrong.
There protesters are not “pro-Palestinian.”
If they were “pro-Palestinian,” they would protest how terribly Lebanon treats its Palestinian “guests.”
If they were “pro-Palestinian,” they would protest how Egypt doesn’t let any Gazans desperate to leave to enter Egypt without paying hefty bribes.
Egypt has closed off its territory to Palestinians wishing to leave Gaza. Even those who only seek a temporary respite from the war in Gaza are denied admission. The only way for a Palestinian in Gaza to gain admission to Egypt is by bribing the right border officer.
The total silence from these protestors about the mistreatment of Palestinians, including denial of citizenship in all Arab states except Jordan, collective punishment (as in Kuwait, where 400,000 were booted out overnight because some had supported Saddam Hussein’s 1991 invasion of the country), in Egypt (where Palestinians in Gaza, trying to escape the war, are prevented from entering), is striking. It appears that the actual suffering of Palestinians in the Arab states is not worth protesting, because the Jewish state cannot be held responsible
And what about the total indifference to the current situation in Sudan, where a civil war has led to suffering many times greater than what the Gazans are enduring? In Gaza, slightly less than one-quarter of the population, or 500,000 people, are in a state of great “food insecurity.” The protestors have instead claimed, incorrectly, that half the country is in a “state of famine.” Meanwhile, in Sudan, 18 million of the country’s 45 million people are truly suffering from a “famine.” Yet none of those protesters busy denouncing Israel for “starving” the people of Gaza — Israel, let’s note, now lets in more food trucks than entered the Strip before October 7 — have even once gone out to protest the conditions in Sudan. For that matter, they haven’t protested the famines, all more severe, and affecting many more people, than the “food crisis” in Gaza, that are ongoing not only in Sudan but also in Yemen, Somalia, and South Sudan.
Why not? There is no way to blame Jews for those famines, so those around the world who are consumed with hatred for what they preposterously call the “apartheid colonial-settler genocidal state of Israel” are simply not interested.
Dave says
JORDAN is the “palestinian” state, created in the 1922 British Partition. ISRAEL is the Jewish state, from the river to the sea.
FYI says
Pally protestors all seem to have the same gear and background
Keffiyeh{essential}
Pally/Rainbow flag {interchangeable.Depends on what rally lefties attend}
Hamas Doll
Placards/slogans selection {“stop the hate”/”free paestine” etc}
Leftist “education” and no understanding at all of the complexities involved
{Gaza is not under siege,it is the pallys that don’t have the sanction to “dwell in the land”,Israel is NOT an “apartheid state”{Arab Israelis will testify to that}}
Blougeoisie says
They’re super quiet about Kurdistan as well which even the Palestinians don’t support. Nothing on Artsahk, only a few weeks before October 7th, either….
It’s hazardous to one’s health to complain about those things.
bagsgroove says
The protestors have been exposed as iranian agents by a leaked secret iranian document describing their aim to disrupt the U.S. and Canadian society and economy. I do believe that it is time to drag iran to the world court for real crimes against humanity for all the years of iran supporting their terrosist proxies.
Deborah Pendleton says
Jew hate is irrational and you’re trying use a logical argument against what is inherently illogical.
bagsgroove says
Bring back the Sha ! Kick the old foggified mullahs out into the desert.Too bad the sha is not alive any more !
somehistory says
Glenn Beck revealed that these “protestors” are funded by g. soros and his “tides foundation.”
As one guest on FOX News said, they ‘are not pro-palestinian, they are pro-hate.”
Hatred of the Jews, stronger than any *like* of oppressed people, is what drives their rioting and illegal actions.
mozlums and their supporters also hate Christians, so they don’t give a fig if Christians are starving, driven out of their homes, murdered in their beds, children kidnapped, girls and women raped all over Africa.
If the Christians were given weapons or a means of defense, the pro-haters would be all over the story. As it is, their *side* is winning in Africa.
From The Other Side of Town. says
I thought oink was prohibited in the Muslim religion. What are these little piggies celebrating then?
somehistory says
Senator Tom Cotton “doubling down.”
“”Absolutely, I support people, if they’re blocked by traffic, by pro-Hamas vigilantes in the street, they should get out of their cars, they should move them to the side of the road, and they should let traffic continue,” Cotton, R-Ark., told NBC News on Tuesday.
When asked whether he was calling for violence against protesters, Cotton said he wasn’t.
“I’m saying that if people are trying to get to work or pick up their kids from school or take a sick kid to the doctor, and you have pro-Hamas vigilantes blocking the streets, they should get out and move those people off the streets,” Cotton said. “The police will get there eventually. But a lot of damage will be done in the meantime.”
A day earlier, Cotton had urged people delayed by traffic stemming from pro-Palestine demonstrations to “take matters into [their] own hands.”
“I encourage people who get stuck behind the pro-Hamas mobs blocking traffic: take matters into your own hands to get them out of the way. It’s time to put an end to this nonsense,” Cotton wrote on X on Monday night.
The Arkansas Republican also referred to the demonstrators blocking the Golden Gate bridge as “criminals” during a Fox News interview on Monday and suggested that they would have been treated differently had the protest happened his home state.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sen-tom-cotton-doubles-down-on-comments-urging-people-to-forcibly-remove-protesters-blocking-traffic/ar-BB1lJLPG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=41c4ea2335c8463fad3cdb2691e883c8&ei=60
John Smith says
Thanks for sharing this link Somehistory.
somehistory says
You’re more than welcome, John.
John Smith says
Some excellent comparisons in this article by Hugh.
Mark says
Two and half of twelve Jewish tribes have their land on the eastern side of Jordan river . That is a fact to remember as God has promised .
James Lincoln says
Just who is financing these “professional” protesters?
Food, water, clothing, flags, signs, housing, travel, per diem, etc….
Alex Taubinger says
Probably, Soros, CAIR and other anti American organizations.
somehistory says
Glenn Beck says it’s g soros and the tides foundation.
Of course, mozlums of every stripe have a share in keeping it going.
Just as they were in the crowds, egging people on, during the riots years ago after the White police officer fought off the Black “gentle giant” who had just robbed a store clerk, and was trying to get the officer’s gun, and the criminal thug bought it.
That day when the “hands up/don’t shoot” was first propagated as Truth in Ferguson. mozlums were working to keep things going, and trying to recruit thugs from among the crowds.
James Lincoln says
Alex and somehistory, thanks for the informed replies.
Mick says
AiR the massacres of Palestians (and Shia Lebanese) in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon, were carried out by Maronnite Christians, supported by the IDF.
somehistory says
Christians haven’t “massacred” anyone.
andy says
America and the West has been infiltrated and infected by the Islamist and Jihadists cancer. It is time to treat with radiation therapy. Tom Cotton is absolutely right.
gravenimage says
[Poster dumbledoresarmy is having technical problems posting, and while she is getting things sorted out she asked me to post this comment of hers]
‘A poster above has referred to a ‘massacre’ at Sabra and Shatil during the Lebanon war in the late 1970s/early 1980s.
‘French sociologist Jacques Ellul – a master anatomist of propaganda, all forms of which he thoroughly despised – noted, documented, and masterfully deconstructed the massive anti-Israel propaganda that had exploded across the world from at least the 1960s onward, bankrolled by oil money from oil-rich Muslim entities, and also enthusiastically advised and assisted by Soviet Russia.
‘In the 1980s he published a hard-hitting little book, “Un Chretien Pour Israel”, which should have been immediately translated into English, but was not. Chapter two of that book – a chapter entitled “propaganda’ – discusses the nature and methods of the anti-Israel propaganda, which he describes as ‘vast’. He devotes particular attention to the way in which the French media reported on the Lebanon war (his description of that vicious misreportage is also an exact description of the way in which the entire Western media has also reported on Israel’s subsequent campaigns of self-defence against Hezbollah, in 2006, and against Gaza, on several occasions, the last being of course right now).
‘He spends some time discussing the coverage of events at Sabra and Shatila, noting that the size of this massacre was greatly exaggerated, and the type and number of victims also misrepresented (the only images shown were of women and children, when in fact they formed a small minority of the victims).
‘I will quote, here, for those who may have difficulty tracking down this powerful book, the most telling passages from Ellul’s discussion, first in the original French and then in my clunky translation.
‘The entire chapter in which it occurs reads eerily, forty years later, because it describes exactly the methods by which the current explosion of vicious Jew-hatred across the western world has been fomented, and is still being fomented.
‘From Jacques Ellul, Un Chretien Pour Israel, Chapter II (Propaganda), part III (The Lebanon War).
“- Finally, my last example, the massacre of Sabra and Chatila. In the heat of anger and emotion, people gave between 1000 and 1500 victims, mostly civilians. Now that people have been able to make a count as accurate as possible, we arrive at a maximum of 300 dead, of which 36 were women and 15 children (see why it was always the same photo of women and children that was shown!).
– Of course, I know that it is very difficult, in similar situations, to make accurate counts; moreover, very often the base-line is lacking. By the way, I know that people can be revolted by games with the number of dead. One more, one less, doesn’t alter the horror at all..The drama of death, being absolute, cannot be counted. I am deeply aware of this.
‘Then, why these meaningless discussions? For a very precise reason: it is on the basis of these numbers that people have pronounced the most absolute condemnations against Israel. Israel is accused of genocide, even in front of official international meetings. The IDF is an army of assassins and executioners.’
– People compared Beirut to Oradour. Cheysson talked of “wiping a people from the map of the world”. Mauroy declared, “One does not reduce terrorism by trying to destroy a people.” More, from Cheysson: “Israeli is committing a crime against humanity. The Palestinian people are massacred.” (Association in Support of the Palestinian People”). And, in fact, ‘massacre’ is the word commonly used to describe Israel’s military action.
(ASIDE: Does this remind people of anything? Though of course today the preferred descriptor for each and every military action taken by Israel against their jihadi tormentors is ‘genocide’. – dumbledoresarmy).
” – It is here that the numbers are indispensable. The affair of Beirut, a genocide? Genocide of the Palestinian people?? On the one hand, people tell us that this people consists of some 4 million persons; and on the other, that the number of victims is 17,500 for the entire war, of whom there are 5,500 in Beirut. So? What proportion is this, to four million? Is that a genocide?
– In fact, more and more, people are using this term wrongly and twisting it. In modern times there have been three genocides: that of the Gypsies and of the Jews (carried out by Hitler), and that of the Khmer people (carried out by Pol Pot: three million massacred, out of a population of seven million). These are the only genocides.
” – Sabra and Chatila: another example of falsification – in every sense – by the media. It is not a question of reducing the awful horror of a massacre. I have already said, 1 or 100, the drama is the same.
– But it is not only a question of numbers. It is, first, the spontaneity of the accusation, as soon as the news was known; no-one doubted that the Israelis had carried out this massacre. There was no question on that subject (no-one even asked themselves what use it could have been: the Israelis, in general so calculating, could have known well in advance that shields would be raised against them, after such a murder; they never try to provoke world opinion!
– It was the work of Israelis soldeirs drunken with carnage (although all the witnesses of the battles in Lebanon admired the self-mastery of these troops and their economy of means), rushing through the camp with ferocity. People even said that it was at the orders of the chief general. And then… when it became clear that the massacre had been carried out by the Phalangists, or by Haddad’s militia, the Israelis STILL had to be responsible.
” – People claimed that Begin had been alerted at the beginning of the operation, and that he had not troubled himself about it. I don’t want to white-wash him, but.. can people not imagine the mass of data and decisions which a chief of state, at war, is constantly called upon to deal with? Someone warned of a killing.. where Israeli soldiers were not involved… that did not seem to be an affair of the first importance. He could not have known. Overall, the Israelis occupied that region and, as people have said, they had the responsibility of the police in that corner. (People claim that) they let the Phalangists or Haddad do it, so they are (directly) guilty of the murders. But… would someone say that the police are guilty when a hold-up, or a settling of accounts by gangsters, takes place in their district?
” – In fact, all that counts is, by whatever means, whatever argument, pinning the guilt on Israel.
– But here, then, we must address the question of the crushing responsibility of the media. It is the media which made Sabra and Chatila the symbol of the Jews’ “Nazism”.
– And here the journalists’ argument – ‘we limit ourselves to reporting what happens’ – won’t work as usual to cover their backsides.
‘It’s all about knowing how many times it was reported. With what intensity. And in what manner.
“When I say that it is the media who made Sabra and Chatila, it is because they talked about it every day for a month (what happened, the search for those responsible, the commission of inquiry, etc.).
” – It is the grave, compassionate, concentrated manner in which our national lady newsreader evoked, every evening, in emotional tones, the two magic words.
– And here came into play, more than ever, the double standard. There had been the massacre in Damour, where 10,000 victims (actual number) were executed by the PLO; practically an entire small town wiped off the map.
– But no-one talked about it. So who knows about Damour?
– At the same time as Sabra and Chatila, there was a massacre of a population of at least 1000 persons (actual number by Assad in Syria, because he found them in the presence of a group strongly opposed to his policies. There again, the media barely mentioned it.
” – In other words: what mattered for the French media, TV or newspapers for intellectuals and left-wing press, was to report crimes which allowed people to attack Israel, to strengthen the accusations, to reinforce the portrait which they had made, of a domineering imperialist people. The fact in itself, the drama, the victims, all that didn’t have any interest in the eyes of these media. And if people deployed humanitarian feeling, if they expressed compassion for the victims, it was uniquely insofar as it was a matter of *Israel’s* victims.
– In the same way, people said practically nothing about the massacres of the Chouf (end-February – March 1984).
– The most intelligent assessments give between 1500 and 2000 victims (three or four times more than Sabra and Chatila) and there it really was a matter of civilian victims, massacres carried out by the Druze and the Syrians.
– Now, in our media, nobody made any trouble for Monsieurs Jumblatt and Assad. The best way to get rid of this appalling massacre, worse than that of Sabra, was first of all, to say very little about it, and then to shift the responsibility for it, back onto Israel, as we have seen.
” – Sabra and Chatila, in the memory of the French, have become the symbol of the gratuitous horror, the abomination of Israeli deeds and the abscess of fixing all the guilt on Israel. When people say ‘massacre’, now, these are the two words that come to mind, and all the inquirites, all the analyses, all the corrections are no use at all. On the other hand, other horrors, much more serious, mentioned just once in passing, are completely forgotten…
“- And if Sabra and Chatila are the symbol that we know, it is uniquely owing to the media. But the fundamental responsibility (of the media) lies in that it was never possible to grasp the complexity of the issues; the public was never given the information they needed to choose a position in knowledge of the case. The choice of position had been made in advance, in the preparation of the media. And what was provided was the result of a deliberately directed choice. In the whole of what we come to read, the sorting and the editing of the data shows beyond dispute that in all our media a deliberate propaganda is taking place.” END EXCERPT.
‘There is more.. a lot more.
‘If you can read French at all – even if only with grammar and dictionary at your elbow, as I had to do – move heaven and earth to get a copy of “Un Chretien Pour Israel’, and read it. It’s all well worth reading; the chapter on antisemitism and ‘anti-Zionism’ is … very, very pertinent. Ellul would not have been the least bit surprised by the volcanoes of vicious jew-hatred currently exploding across the campuses and the streets of the western world. He foresaw it all.. in the early 1980s. he saw it coming.
‘I read this book in the late 1980s/ early 1990s. It immunised me – instantly, effectively, and permanently – against the phenomenon that Bat Yeor scathingly dubbed ‘palestinianism”.
‘Sometimes I allow myself to imagine Hugh Fitzgerald translating into lapidary English this untranslated – and very little known – masterpiece by Jacques Ellul.”
gravenimage says
The Protestors are Not ‘Pro-Palestinian’
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Too often this is instead ‘Pro-Jihad Terror’.